Money In The Bank 2011 is 4 Years Old

[543Y2J]

[The Last Tweener]

And for nearly four years, I have been wondering how in hell did this match not main-event Wrestlemania.

[Abadebe]

Jul 17, 2015 15:06:57 GMT -5 The Last Tweener said:

And for nearly four years, I have been wondering how in hell did this match not main-event Wrestlemania.

I still think WM29 should have been a triple threat with Rock vs Cena vs Punk.

Have Rock vs Punk at the Rumble with some type of disputed finish due to the Shield. Punk keeps the title, but Rock has a legit claim to it. Meanwhile, Cena wins the Rumble match. At Mania, Cena pins the Rock to win the title. This avenges his loss from the previous year and sets up Punk vs Cena for the next few months with Punk playing the "you never beat me" card.

[Pooh Carlson]

That was the last time I was at a WWE show. I don't think anything can top that. Just a perfect night all around.

[Tony Schiavontay]

I watched the legendary promo to set this up a few days ago and it made me really happy thinking about how excited I was about where the product looked to be going and then really sad thinking about where it went instead. This really could have been the start of something...

[The Kevstaaa]

Just finished watching this because it's the anniversary. Excellent show.

[JCBaggee]

Jul 17, 2015 15:25:38 GMT -5 Abadebe said:

Jul 17, 2015 15:06:57 GMT -5 The Last Tweener said:

And for nearly four years, I have been wondering how in hell did this match not main-event Wrestlemania.

I still think WM29 should have been a triple threat with Rock vs Cena vs Punk.

Have Rock vs Punk at the Rumble with some type of disputed finish due to the Shield. Punk keeps the title, but Rock has a legit claim to it. Meanwhile, Cena wins the Rumble match. At Mania, Cena pins the Rock to win the title. This avenges his loss from the previous year and sets up Punk vs Cena for the next few months with Punk playing the "you never beat me" card.

Punk mentioned in his AoW interview that he pitched this idea to Vince, but got shot down.

[543Y2J]

Hell even Big Show vs Mark Henry was decent that night, when Henry was just starting to find himself with the brilliant Hall Of Pain gig

[Lupin the Third]

Jul 17, 2015 15:30:52 GMT -5 JCBaggee said:

Jul 17, 2015 15:25:38 GMT -5 Abadebe said:

I still think WM29 should have been a triple threat with Rock vs Cena vs Punk.

Have Rock vs Punk at the Rumble with some type of disputed finish due to the Shield. Punk keeps the title, but Rock has a legit claim to it. Meanwhile, Cena wins the Rumble match. At Mania, Cena pins the Rock to win the title. This avenges his loss from the previous year and sets up Punk vs Cena for the next few months with Punk playing the "you never beat me" card.

Punk mentioned in his AoW interview that he pitched this idea to Vince, but got shot down.

He also shot down Punk's idea of him vs. The Undertaker for the title. Another idea I would've liked.

[gr1990]

Jul 17, 2015 15:25:38 GMT -5 Abadebe said:

Jul 17, 2015 15:06:57 GMT -5 The Last Tweener said:

And for nearly four years, I have been wondering how in hell did this match not main-event Wrestlemania.

I still think WM29 should have been a triple threat with Rock vs Cena vs Punk.

Have Rock vs Punk at the Rumble with some type of disputed finish due to the Shield. Punk keeps the title, but Rock has a legit claim to it. Meanwhile, Cena wins the Rumble match. At Mania, Cena pins the Rock to win the title. This avenges his loss from the previous year and sets up Punk vs Cena for the next few months with Punk playing the "you never beat me" card.

Also, to ensure you still get a good Rock-assisted buyrate for Elimination Chamber, have Rock/Cena/the Usos vs Punk and the Shield there. You could even have it as a Chamber match where Jimmy/Jey and Ambrose/Rollins start, and Punk, Cena, Rock and Reigns are in the pods.

[The Last Tweener]

Jul 17, 2015 15:30:52 GMT -5 JCBaggee said:

Jul 17, 2015 15:25:38 GMT -5 Abadebe said:

I still think WM29 should have been a triple threat with Rock vs Cena vs Punk.

Have Rock vs Punk at the Rumble with some type of disputed finish due to the Shield. Punk keeps the title, but Rock has a legit claim to it. Meanwhile, Cena wins the Rumble match. At Mania, Cena pins the Rock to win the title. This avenges his loss from the previous year and sets up Punk vs Cena for the next few months with Punk playing the "you never beat me" card.

Punk mentioned in his AoW interview that he pitched this idea to Vince, but got shot down.

Yes, I believe he said that he told Vince that he is okay even with being eliminated five minutes into the match,
but no, the guy who brought many people back to follow the product and was the major contributor in your best program in years doesn't deserve even that.

[abjordans]

Probably my second favorite match ever. I have never rewatched it because I had so much fun watching it live.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Jul 17, 2015 17:18:23 GMT -5 The Last Tweener said:

Yes, I believe he said that he told Vince that he is okay even with being eliminated five minutes into the match,
but no, the guy who brought many people back to follow the product and was the major contributor in your best program in years doesn't deserve even that.

Literally no-one on this board has ever provided any non-anecdotal evidence that Punk brought people back that I've seen. I, personally, know one guy who started watching again because of the Punk angle, but I've never seen anyone post anything approaching evidence that Punk popped any numbers for WWE whatsoever.

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Jul 17, 2015 15:26:57 GMT -5 Pooh Carlson said:

That was the last time I was at a WWE show. I don't think anything can top that. Just a perfect night all around.

Yup.

The energy in the building that night was so crazy.

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Jul 17, 2015 17:42:33 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Jul 17, 2015 17:18:23 GMT -5 The Last Tweener said:

Yes, I believe he said that he told Vince that he is okay even with being eliminated five minutes into the match,
but no, the guy who brought many people back to follow the product and was the major contributor in your best program in years doesn't deserve even that.

Literally no-one on this board has ever provided any non-anecdotal evidence that Punk brought people back that I've seen. I, personally, know one guy who started watching again because of the Punk angle, but I've never seen anyone post anything approaching evidence that Punk popped any numbers for WWE whatsoever.

If anything The Rock brought in more viewers. I remember when The Rock made his return on Valentines Day 2011, my roommate who is a casual wrestling fan and I mean casual in the loosest sense of term like I watched wrestling a little bit in Junior High and only read recaps on IGN sometimes and may watch the occasional PPV on the internet. Anyways I remember coming home from my Valentines Day and he was like dude we have to get Wrestlemania, you know what happened on Raw? The Rock is f***ing returning. We need to order Mania now. And we did. He was excited over The Rock as a f***ing host!

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Jul 17, 2015 15:28:05 GMT -5 Tony Schiavontay said:

I watched the legendary promo to set this up a few days ago and it made me really happy thinking about how excited I was about where the product looked to be going and then really sad thinking about where it went instead. This really could have been the start of something...

Yep. I've been a casual fan since 2002. Only watching YouTube clips and reading forums without going out of my way to watch any of the product, but the Punk storyline that summer was incredible. The "Pipebomb", the contract negotiation with Vince, the MITB match, the contract signing for Summerslam, etc, was all riveting television. The fact that it went to shit so quickly was terrible, but I guess not at all surprising.

[stealthamo]

Here's Punk's take on today:

For those that don't get the reference, Punk tweeted this photo out after he won the title:

[amethyst]

That was actually the match that brought me back as a continuous viewer after pretty much taking a hiatus from the product since 2005.

[The Last Tweener]

Jul 17, 2015 17:42:33 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Jul 17, 2015 17:18:23 GMT -5 The Last Tweener said:

Yes, I believe he said that he told Vince that he is okay even with being eliminated five minutes into the match,
but no, the guy who brought many people back to follow the product and was the major contributor in your best program in years doesn't deserve even that.

Literally no-one on this board has ever provided any non-anecdotal evidence that Punk brought people back that I've seen. I, personally, know one guy who started watching again because of the Punk angle, but I've never seen anyone post anything approaching evidence that Punk popped any numbers for WWE whatsoever.

I honestly don't know about numbers, I don't follow these things.
However, I see people saying that Punk brought them back everywhere I go.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Jul 17, 2015 18:43:02 GMT -5 The Last Tweener said:

Jul 17, 2015 17:42:33 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Literally no-one on this board has ever provided any non-anecdotal evidence that Punk brought people back that I've seen. I, personally, know one guy who started watching again because of the Punk angle, but I've never seen anyone post anything approaching evidence that Punk popped any numbers for WWE whatsoever.

I honestly don't know about numbers, I don't follow these things.
However, I see people saying that Punk brought them back everywhere I go.

Right, but that's anecdotal, and I think a lot of people exaggerate this. I am not arguing the creative quality of the first couple of months of this angle, but as far as I'm aware Punk has never moved the needle in any noticeable way.

Edit: a quick google found that the Nexus angle got better ratings a year earlier.