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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Aug 2, 2015 23:43:13 GMT -5
I like how a lot of the same people I see complain about how awful the product is today are the same ones hoping people vote for a guy who they admit sucks....because WWE thinks he sucks and isn't working to get better. Some of you are seemingly intentionally averse to making sense. Oh no, it makes plenty of sense. It's spite towards a company that often actively disrespects what fans want. So, you think it makes sense to help out a guy who sucks in the eyes of fans and the company, just to spite the company, so you can then turn around and blame the company for the product sucking. Yup. Perfect logic. If you're, y'know, not a logical being. Sounds to me like the thinking of people who would rather have something to bitch about than have an actual entertaining show. I understand being frustrated with the product and the company (I haven't actually watched a show in years outside of PPVs on the Network at a friends house), but I'm pretty sure that intentionally spiting them on the occasions that they try to get something right is the way to show that. That just seems like sabotaging yourself in the end.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Aug 3, 2015 0:25:43 GMT -5
Oh no, it makes plenty of sense. It's spite towards a company that often actively disrespects what fans want. So, you think it makes sense to help out a guy who sucks in the eyes of fans and the company, just to spite the company, so you can then turn around and blame the company for the product sucking. Yup. Perfect logic. If you're, y'know, not a logical being. Sounds to me like the thinking of people who would rather have something to bitch about than have an actual entertaining show. I understand being frustrated with the product and the company (I haven't actually watched a show in years outside of PPVs on the Network at a friends house), but I'm pretty sure that intentionally spiting them on the occasions that they try to get something right is the way to show that. That just seems like sabotaging yourself in the end. You lost me at "I haven't actually watched a show in years". Not knocking your opinion and I agree with it just every time I see somebody say this it's just mind boggling to me as to why they still visit this board to post about the current product.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Aug 3, 2015 0:39:16 GMT -5
So, you think it makes sense to help out a guy who sucks in the eyes of fans and the company, just to spite the company, so you can then turn around and blame the company for the product sucking. Yup. Perfect logic. If you're, y'know, not a logical being. Sounds to me like the thinking of people who would rather have something to bitch about than have an actual entertaining show. I understand being frustrated with the product and the company (I haven't actually watched a show in years outside of PPVs on the Network at a friends house), but I'm pretty sure that intentionally spiting them on the occasions that they try to get something right is the way to show that. That just seems like sabotaging yourself in the end. You lost me at "I haven't actually watched a show in years". Not knocking your opinion and I agree with it just every time I see somebody say this it's just mind boggling to me as to why they still visit this board to post about the current product. Because I like to keep track of the product, but based on what I have seen both on the PPVs and through talking to others (both on here and in person), nothing they are doing sounds even remotely worth watching. I like to know how guys I enjoyed watching before WWE (DB, Owens, Cesaro, etc..) are fareing, but I also like to put my money where my mouth is. So I keep a distant eye on them (and their utter misuse), but I also speak to the company by not giving them my viewership until they do something worth viewing. That seems like a much more reasonable and sanity-preserving approach than tuning into something I don't enjoy and get frustrated over. The truly mind boggling thing here is not someone like me, but someone who continues to give a company ratings and business despite doing nothing but complaining about their product.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Aug 3, 2015 0:50:07 GMT -5
You lost me at "I haven't actually watched a show in years". Not knocking your opinion and I agree with it just every time I see somebody say this it's just mind boggling to me as to why they still visit this board to post about the current product. Because I like to keep track of the product, but based on what I have seen both on the PPVs and through talking to others (both on here and in person), nothing they are doing sounds even remotely worth watching. I like to know how guys I enjoyed watching before WWE (DB, Owens, Cesaro, etc..) are fareing, but I also like to put my money where my mouth is. So I keep a distant eye on them (and their utter misuse), but I also speak to the company by not giving them my viewership until they do something worth viewing. That seems like a much more reasonable and sanity-preserving approach than tuning into something I don't enjoy and get frustrated over. The truly mind boggling thing here is not someone like me, but someone who continues to give a company ratings and business despite doing nothing but complaining about their product. I watch it and more times than not enjoy it whether it be RAW, Smackdown, Total Divas, or Tough Enough.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 3, 2015 0:57:11 GMT -5
Its kind of ironic then that the USA hates the show when they are the ones who made it like this... Which would be perfectly fine if it was NBC Universal cutting the check and not WWE. They forced WWE to bring back Tough Enough, no doubt told them to make it like American Idol (i.e., a popularity contest), and now WWE has to take the L when this dope and Quirky McWhatsherface walk with 250K each and amount to jack shit in six months. And for those of you who honestly want ZZ to win just to stick it to the man, think about this for a minute; when USA does push WWE to make him a star, whose television time do you think he's going to be taking up when he's choking through promos and gator rasslin' Hornswoggle The Slater Gator? The Authority? John Cena? The Bella Twins? R-Trizzle? No, he's going to be taking television time from guys like Cesaro and Kevin Owens, who deserve so much better, because WWE will feel like the fans who voted for ZZ as an eff you probably like those guys. This. One thing I've learned from WWE is that they're completely incapable of accepting an L gracefully. They just take it out on someone else.
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Post by Captain & Diet on Aug 3, 2015 1:29:57 GMT -5
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Aug 3, 2015 2:13:39 GMT -5
Because I like to keep track of the product, but based on what I have seen both on the PPVs and through talking to others (both on here and in person), nothing they are doing sounds even remotely worth watching. I like to know how guys I enjoyed watching before WWE (DB, Owens, Cesaro, etc..) are fareing, but I also like to put my money where my mouth is. So I keep a distant eye on them (and their utter misuse), but I also speak to the company by not giving them my viewership until they do something worth viewing. That seems like a much more reasonable and sanity-preserving approach than tuning into something I don't enjoy and get frustrated over. The truly mind boggling thing here is not someone like me, but someone who continues to give a company ratings and business despite doing nothing but complaining about their product. I watch it and more times than not enjoy it whether it be RAW, Smackdown, Total Divas, or Tough Enough. Good for you. I'm glad you enjoy it. But it doesn't change my opinion or make my point of view any less valid.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Aug 3, 2015 2:50:33 GMT -5
I watch it and more times than not enjoy it whether it be RAW, Smackdown, Total Divas, or Tough Enough. Good for you. I'm glad you enjoy it. But it doesn't change my opinion or make my point of view any less valid. In my opinion me watching something and enjoying it holds more ground than someone who admittedly hasn't watched a show in years yet coming on to a forum proclaiming everything about a show he doesn't watch sucks.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 3, 2015 5:02:49 GMT -5
They must be getting used to that by this point.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Aug 3, 2015 8:42:49 GMT -5
Good for you. I'm glad you enjoy it. But it doesn't change my opinion or make my point of view any less valid. In my opinion me watching something and enjoying it holds more ground than someone who admittedly hasn't watched a show in years yet coming on to a forum proclaiming everything about a show he doesn't watch sucks. Me watching or not watching the show has absolutely NOTHING to do with my original point in this thread, which was that you aren't making the show better by intentionally spiting the company by voting for people you admit suck. The only reason I even mentioned my not watching was to point out that I understand how frustrating this company can be, as they have forced life-long fans such as myself away from the product seemingly permanently. I actually never offered an opinion on the show until you started in on me. And while we're at it, I'm glad you feel like your opinion counts more than mine, but it doesn't. I watched this product religiously my whole life, and eventually had to walk away because it just became a completely frustrating ordeal. Just because you manage to sit through it every week doesn't make you some sort of authority who's opinion is mightier than others. It makes you a person who has a different viewpoint than me, and we are expressing them how we deem fit, by either watching or not. We all enjoy (or don't enjoy) things differently. No one way is right or wrong. You continue watching, and I will tune in when something catches me again. In the meantime, maybe stay off your opinionated high-horse toward others.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 3, 2015 8:57:59 GMT -5
Its kind of ironic then that the USA hates the show when they are the ones who made it like this... Which would be perfectly fine if it was NBC Universal cutting the check and not WWE. They forced WWE to bring back Tough Enough, no doubt told them to make it like American Idol (i.e., a popularity contest), and now WWE has to take the L when this dope and Quirky McWhatsherface walk with 250K each and amount to jack shit in six months..[/quomonths Except USA didn't force WWE to being it back or make it like AI. WWE was working on this for awhile for WWE Network. USA just stepped in and bought it from . the on They don't force the winners to be used, that is WWE angry they are paying a rookie like a top talent and forcing him out to early. USA has no role in this that having bought the show from WWE to air. All the stuff you are complaining about from day one has been attributed to Dunn and Vince, not NBCU.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 3, 2015 9:11:38 GMT -5
I can't blame them TBH. Like, I'm not usually one to judge on body types, but this dude isn't even like, big & athletic. He's just fat, and the fact he's stayed in longer than Patrick, who's pretty much the total package is stupid.
Especially seeing as it turns out he's one of those people who just latch onto any reality show in an attempt to get famous.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 12:52:46 GMT -5
Oh no, it makes plenty of sense. It's spite towards a company that often actively disrespects what fans want. So, you think it makes sense to help out a guy who sucks in the eyes of fans and the company, just to spite the company, so you can then turn around and blame the company for the product sucking. Yup. Perfect logic. If you're, y'know, not a logical being. Sounds to me like the thinking of people who would rather have something to bitch about than have an actual entertaining show. I understand being frustrated with the product and the company (I haven't actually watched a show in years outside of PPVs on the Network at a friends house), but I'm pretty sure that intentionally spiting them on the occasions that they try to get something right is the way to show that. That just seems like sabotaging yourself in the end. The company spites the fans enough, and sure, it makes plenty of sense that fans try to return the favor once in a while. I'm not saying that it's a good thing, but I understand why it's happening. A lot of people are bitter and hostile, and it's going to take a lot of good will to win those people over. In the meantime, this sort of thing occurs.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Aug 3, 2015 13:01:10 GMT -5
I kinda of hope he wins because...that's the kind of person I am. I like to see corporate manipulations fail. That being said dude clearly isn't going to be anything and he's way outta shape. Still I think one of the problems from my perspective is that Vince/WWE does not understand that with the exception of people who vote for him just to f things up others have done it because he's a fan avatar. He's a lousy one in terms of a wrestler, but Vince/WWE has attempted to undermine other fan avatars (Bryan/Punk/Owens(maybe) in a similar way. There are times when an over the top superman is gonna be the biggest thing, there are times when a giant bad ass is gonna be the biggest thing and there are times when the idea of someone I can identify with is gonna the biggest thing. WWE refuses to accept that the third category is possible.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Aug 3, 2015 13:06:52 GMT -5
In my opinion me watching something and enjoying it holds more ground than someone who admittedly hasn't watched a show in years yet coming on to a forum proclaiming everything about a show he doesn't watch sucks. Me watching or not watching the show has absolutely NOTHING to do with my original point in this thread, which was that you aren't making the show better by intentionally spiting the company by voting for people you admit suck. The only reason I even mentioned my not watching was to point out that I understand how frustrating this company can be, as they have forced life-long fans such as myself away from the product seemingly permanently. I actually never offered an opinion on the show until you started in on me. And while we're at it, I'm glad you feel like your opinion counts more than mine, but it doesn't. I watched this product religiously my whole life, and eventually had to walk away because it just became a completely frustrating ordeal. Just because you manage to sit through it every week doesn't make you some sort of authority who's opinion is mightier than others. It makes you a person who has a different viewpoint than me, and we are expressing them how we deem fit, by either watching or not. We all enjoy (or don't enjoy) things differently. No one way is right or wrong. You continue watching, and I will tune in when something catches me again. In the meantime, maybe stay off your opinionated high-horse toward others. How do you know who ZZ is or have an opinion to offer on the matter if you haven't watched the product in years?
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Post by eJm on Aug 3, 2015 13:07:17 GMT -5
They must be getting used to that by this point. WrestleMania 30 and 31 feel like two shows from two different companies. Mostly because one wasn't headlined with HHH/Sting and a freaking nWo/DX war.
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Post by wolverine23 on Aug 3, 2015 13:39:19 GMT -5
The fact that Patrick and Mata are gone and that ZZ is still there proves this show is rigged. You think it was coincidence that Miz decided to save Amanda when Amanda actually had the least number of votes last week. Even the most of the group said ZZ should go last week. Patrick and Mata clearly had the look, personality, and ability to make it in the WWE and they were conveniently put in the bottom 3 for talking trash and being sabotaged during a competition. But the out of shape, mumbling country boy who wants to make people laugh is still there. I do know if it's WWE trying to make a statement that any joe can be a superstar or sticking it to the fans (not like it's the first time), or what. Until ZZ is gone, the show is a crock.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 3, 2015 14:27:20 GMT -5
I personally just think it's kind of (...I'm not sure of the right word to use here, but it's nothing good) that people see ZZ as a weapon to sabotage the company with (armed with the knowledge that USA will make them give him a meaningful push, almost a "Oh man, this is finally our chance to knock WWE down a few rungs so RoH/NJPW World/Lucha Underground/Insert Company Here can rise up!" sort of mindset, maybe...
Not that I want to defend WWE for riding Cena into oblivion either, though.
Either way, you know know that Vince and Dunn are going to want to spite the fans right back.
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Post by ededdneddy on Aug 3, 2015 15:21:00 GMT -5
The fact that Patrick and Mata are gone and that ZZ is still there proves this show is rigged. You think it was coincidence that Miz decided to save Amanda when Amanda actually had the least number of votes last week. Even the most of the group said ZZ should go last week. Patrick and Mata clearly had the look, personality, and ability to make it in the WWE and they were conveniently put in the bottom 3 for talking trash and being sabotaged during a competition. But the out of shape, mumbling country boy who wants to make people laugh is still there. I do know if it's WWE trying to make a statement that any joe can be a superstar or sticking it to the fans (not like it's the first time), or what. Until ZZ is gone, the show is a crock. People wanted Mada or Mata to stay as you could see from the votes but the whole Miz saving a pointless bimbo just "shake things up" caused it to happen where Mada/Mata had to go because he was a few votes below ZZ. ZZ and Mada/Mata clearly were gonna stay but the whole saving thing f**ked that up
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:14:44 GMT -5
They keep posting videos of ZZ f***ing up hoping it works too. Man, it's hard to watch this.
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