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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 11, 2015 0:07:35 GMT -5
What Dr. T said. All of it. To say that Tom Brady is 100% innocent defies all logic and reason. When a number of quarterbacks have come out and explained just how far into the details of how they want their gameballs, I refuse to believe that Brady doesn't know exactly how he likes them inflated. He even talks about how he likes the balls to feel in the appeal hearing but he claims to have NEVER EVER EVER NEVER talked about PSI levels EVER. I don't believe it. He wants them to feel a certain way and even complained when they felt too hard and had too much air in them. If this dude is gonna go through a hundred different balls to pick out the 20 he likes, why would he have all different types of PSI levels mixed in when he has a precise way he wants the surface to feel to begin with. Logic. Reason. Things that quite a few NFL fans seem to be lacking. I don't believe he is 100% innocent, but I have my reasonable doubt considering how far the NFL went to get what they wanted. And you can't tell me they didn't blow this thing with their investigating. The NFL has screwed this whole process so terribly that they don't deserve to get what they want. Logic and reason is something you also seem to be lacking....and are trying to manipulate it to your belief, which by the way is even worse than someone who is just lacking logic and reason.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 11, 2015 0:43:48 GMT -5
You don't know that Brady was guilty for a fact? Look, I am not saying that he committed some great crime, but it makes absolutely zero sense to suggest that he was not involved in some capacity. No one is going to alter the game balls without the starting QB giving his explicit permission, regardless of the team but especially a sure-fire HOF-bound QB. Again, to me there are two issues. The first is that the cover-up is far worse than the crime itself. Do you honestly think that this would have blown up the way that it did if Brady had elected to feign ignorance until after the Super Bowl and then admitted that he asked the game balls to be low, perhaps not realizing that the balls were already at the minimum when he asked as much (ignoring the fact that Drew Brees showed on a visit on Conan that he could estimate how inflated footballs were very accurately. Maybe Brady's not as astute in that aspect). Therefore, he could have even claimed that he unwittingly asked for the equipment guys to break the rule. That's understandable and it would have been understandable for the equipment guys to be unwilling to question a HOF-bound QB on this little thing. I would have suspected that he was lying, but now he has gone to such lengths that I want to say that he is so full of shit that his eyes are brown. I want him punished on principle alone now, especially when it does not appear that he was as cooperative with the investigation as the NFL would like. That brings me to the other problem. This was not something that was explicitly covered in the CBA. Sure, there is a rule regarding the team not using balls that are not standard, but conspiracy to alter balls after they are inspected was probably something that no one ever expected to need to have a set punishment for. Had this been a thing that the NFLPA thought to cover in the CBA, it probably would have been a 1-2 game suspension at most. However, since there is no such set punishment and no real precedent to follow, the closest precedent for deliberately engaging in a continued attempt to gain a competitive edge by cheating is the use of PEDs, for which the first offense earns one a 4 game suspension. Again, I wanted him punished on principle. Had it been a 1-2 suspension, I would have been fine with it. Instead, it matches the same punishment that a player gets for PEDs, which is also acceptable to me. Had he gotten more, then I would say that there is something to legitimately complain about. If he came out and said that immediately, the commissioner (with clamor from the other owners) would have tried to suspend him for the Super Bowl. And he would have suspended him 4 games also. You know they would have done this. This was easily the other owners looking for blood because they could not win and this was an easy excuse for them to blame their lack of success on. If they had done this and lost, no suspension would have happened....I guarantee it. I said he could have waited until after the Super Bowl to say that. No one would blame him for waiting until after. Well, reasonable people would not, at least. Let's establish a few things. Most of the arguments that Brady's defenders are going to offer are going to fall on deaf ears, and not necessarily for the reasons that they think. I don't hate the Patriots. Until this controversy, I never had a cross thing to say about Brady. I resent him taking a proverbial dump in my living room and then getting offended when I suggest that his shit stinks, but even then I don't hate him. I'm annoyed and disappointed, to be honest. The thing is that most of the arguments mean nothing to me. The NFL wanted to make an example of Brady? Considering what other athletes get when their leagues want to make an example of them (Ron Artest, Alex Rodriguez, Lance Armstrong, etc), I would say that 4 games is pretty light as far as "making an example" of Brady. The NFL did not use a truly independent investigator? So what? They did not have to. You have a problem with that? Take it up with the NFLPA. They royally screwed that one up when they negotiated the current CBA. Brady should have gotten a fair shake, but because of the NFLPA he was not owed one. That sucks, but I won't get that bent out of shape over it because it is just 4 games. The NFL had a specific result in mind and dug until they found the evidence they wanted? Would that matter if there was not anything to find? No, so I should feel bad that they found what they wanted to find?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 11, 2015 0:47:23 GMT -5
If he came out and said that immediately, the commissioner (with clamor from the other owners) would have tried to suspend him for the Super Bowl. And he would have suspended him 4 games also. You know they would have done this. This was easily the other owners looking for blood because they could not win and this was an easy excuse for them to blame their lack of success on. If they had done this and lost, no suspension would have happened....I guarantee it. I said he could have waited until after the Super Bowl to say that. No one would blame him for waiting until after. Well, reasonable people would not, at least. Reasonable people would probably not....but then most people in the media are not reasonable and they would be calling for asterisks. It really was a lose-lose situation for him, if he completely did it....which I am not 100% convinced he did (I would say 63% is a fair number for me).
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Post by andrew8798 on Aug 11, 2015 12:10:47 GMT -5
Steelers signed K Garrett Hartley
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 12:29:41 GMT -5
Geno Smith out at least 6-10 weeks after he was sucker punched by a teammate (who was released) and had his jaw broken: t.co/vmJSVYiLwS
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Post by stealthamo on Aug 11, 2015 12:32:08 GMT -5
That might be the most Jets thing I've ever read.
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Post by bob on Aug 11, 2015 12:50:14 GMT -5
Geno Smith out at least 6-10 weeks after he was sucker punched by a teammate (who was released) and had his jaw broken: t.co/vmJSVYiLwSSerious question: Does this help the Jets?
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Aug 11, 2015 12:52:07 GMT -5
I smell a Verne Gagne offering Iron Sheik money to break Hogan's legs type deal here.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Aug 11, 2015 12:58:56 GMT -5
Bigger shit show Knicks or Jets?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 11, 2015 13:02:13 GMT -5
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh, Jets
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 11, 2015 13:08:05 GMT -5
I saw "Starting QB punched: Out 6+ weeks" as a story and my Jets-sense starting tingling.
I'm trying to figure out if it's sad or hilarious that most NFL fans aren't shocked at all that the Jets is who this happened to.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 11, 2015 13:12:21 GMT -5
Stuff like today's nonsense is why the Jets are a complete laughingstock
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Aug 11, 2015 13:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 11, 2015 13:25:50 GMT -5
Might as well pile on the lol@Jets bandwagon, there's plenty of room boys and girls!
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 11, 2015 13:31:17 GMT -5
This is the most Jetsiest thing that ever Jetsed.
This years fantasy football team name is now Geno Smith's Jaw.
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Post by kevin on Aug 11, 2015 13:47:09 GMT -5
Poor Geno I really think he needed a good off season too. The only thing in his favor is his backup is Fitzpatrick who everyone knows who his is while Geno is still young enough that he could become good.
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Post by sfvega on Aug 11, 2015 13:55:07 GMT -5
I smell a Verne Gagne offering Iron Sheik money to break Hogan's legs type deal here. This reminds me of South Park. "They took his job!" "They broke his jaw!"
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 11, 2015 14:30:16 GMT -5
The Colts have had a few scuffles this week but nothing like that. Too bad for Smith; he really needed preseason reps.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 11, 2015 14:34:44 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea what the hell the deal is with the Jets. There's some toxic elements to the team going back a few years now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 14:35:40 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea what the hell the deal is with the Jets. There's some toxic elements to the team going back a few years now. A few decades more like it
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