andrew8798
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 18, 2015 14:10:24 GMT -5
The NFL will no doubt try to bury this story
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Sept 18, 2015 17:03:21 GMT -5
Well..the players DO know the risks of what they sign up for
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Post by Waffel113 on Sept 18, 2015 17:28:01 GMT -5
Well..the players DO know the risks of what they sign up for ...which is no defense for the league doing absolutely jack shit to improve their concussion protocol, or even acknowledge that this is an issue. Yeah, they know what they're getting in to, but wouldn't you expect your employer to look out for your health just a wee bit better than the NFL has done over the past five-plus years?
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 18, 2015 17:53:42 GMT -5
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Post by Speedy Cerviche on Sept 18, 2015 18:14:21 GMT -5
That ought to give the NFL a headache.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Sept 18, 2015 21:48:20 GMT -5
Well..the players DO know the risks of what they sign up for ...which is no defense for the league doing absolutely jack shit to improve their concussion protocol, or even acknowledge that this is an issue. Yeah, they know what they're getting in to, but wouldn't you expect your employer to look out for your health just a wee bit better than the NFL has done over the past five-plus years? Seriously. It's like saying that because construction workers knew the risks to their job, they shouldn't complain if their employer makes their cranes out of f***** bubblegum.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 1:33:19 GMT -5
...which is no defense for the league doing absolutely jack shit to improve their concussion protocol, or even acknowledge that this is an issue. Yeah, they know what they're getting in to, but wouldn't you expect your employer to look out for your health just a wee bit better than the NFL has done over the past five-plus years? Seriously. It's like saying that because construction workers knew the risks to their job, they shouldn't complain if their employer makes their cranes out of f***** bubblegum. Or Truck Drivers could get into an fatal accident or cops could be killed in the job. Hell just simply being in a vehicle is a huge risk since it's always in the top 10 or even the top 5 of leading causes of death.
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Post by Push R Truth on Sept 21, 2015 6:39:11 GMT -5
I'll toss this out there even though I feel dirty for defending a kabillion dollar industry:
Even though the article itself already states it, I'll repeat it: These numbers are heavily skewed. Your brain had to be donated, which for most people wouldn't happen unless there was a belief something was wrong in the first place. Sure, people randomly donate their body for science all the time, but these were primarily brains that belonged to people that had strong belief their brain was already damaged.
This isn't "omg 87 out of every 91 players had brain damage!" This is "87 out of 91 dead dudes that thought they had brain damage actually did." I wouldn't be shocked if a large portion of those brains where from the days when your helmet was a small leather cap.
Still doesn't excuse the NFL.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 21, 2015 7:43:43 GMT -5
Well..the players DO know the risks of what they sign up for ...which is no defense for the league doing absolutely jack shit to improve their concussion protocol, or even acknowledge that this is an issue. Yeah, they know what they're getting in to, but wouldn't you expect your employer to look out for your health just a wee bit better than the NFL has done over the past five-plus years? And it's not just five plus years, it's been going on for decades. The NFL buried evidence about concussions, and continually ignored that it was a huge problem.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 21, 2015 21:00:17 GMT -5
Push R Truth is right, what this basically says is that 87 of 91 people who had symptoms of a disease all ended up having that disease. It's not quite as damning as 87 out of 91 of all players having that disease. Granted, it's still not information to ignore in light of how sleezy the NFL is, just that you can't take it to mean more beyond that. Well..the players DO know the risks of what they sign up for No they didn't. That's the entire point of the controversy and lawsuits, the NFL had information related to the real risk of repeated concussions and paid to hide it, or bullied journals into hiding it. Thus, the players, fans, and public at large didn't really know because the NFL made sure they didn't. And when you have league doctors and league-sponsored researchers (alliances which may not be fully disclosed) telling a player something is perfectly safe, they're not expected to have the foresight to search through hundreds of medical journals each month to find articles that may say otherwise. Meanwhile, research into concussions, safety equipment, etc was all set back for decades while the company tried to stall the information. They knew there were risks sure, but when all mainstream medical thought is that concussions heal like any other bruise, hiding evidence that they don't literally means that they don't know the risks. It'd be akin to a lawyer for GM arguing that the company isn't responsible for faulty brake lines because people driving know the inherent risks of driving a car.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 22, 2015 10:55:26 GMT -5
Yeah, the article makes it clear that the numbers are skewed by the fact that the brains tested were only on those who thought ahead to donate (and thus must have known they had something wrong with them), but it's still incredibly damning.
We're really headed toward a tipping point with the NFL, and with football in general. It's still insanely popular, but the number of kids signing up for youth programs is already dropping, and this information isn't going to vanish any time soon.
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