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Post by auph10imitated on Sept 29, 2015 10:23:59 GMT -5
Most definatley bad stories on thier real life persona's is going to have an effect on whether I like them as a person or not, for example I was a huge Sunny fan, in fact even when she was being a douche in real life I would defend her, but as time as gone on and I have seen her on social media be a complete asshole to people I have come to dislike her as a person, I still love Sunny as a character - however if I was to meet her in person, for 1. I would still be start struck but 2. Depends on how she behaved towards me, if she was totally cool I would like her, if she was an ass my opinion would stick.
I guess its how people behave toward you in person that means the most, same with actors, music artists and even people in your every day life who have bad reputations, if they are cool with me then thats fine, if they are not they can go f*** themselves
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 29, 2015 20:27:58 GMT -5
I edited the title because I wasn't sure if I made what I was trying to ask clear. Sorry.
I was really asking if a wrestler being involved in enough bad televised wrestling angles would be enough to taint how a fan felt about them in general, not so much real life stories about the wrestler.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 29, 2015 20:37:35 GMT -5
Nah, not really. At least, not in the sense you're talking about.
To me, it's like when a really good actor is in a bad movie. It's not like the actor just suddenly became horrible and lost all ability even if they really aren't any good in that particular movie. I'll still probably check out the next film the actor is in.
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Post by gatordone on Sept 29, 2015 20:49:13 GMT -5
When ever I see a bad angle I blame creative not the performer. I'm sure the wrestlers themselves know the story line is going to bomb but have to make do or they don't have a job. It's really sad that wrestling has had a lot of lame angles over the last decade that make the Jerry Springer worthy of an Emmy. One angle that really turned me off of wrestling was Chris Nowinski and Scott Steiner having a debate in the ring about their opinions on the war in Iraq. Another one was TNA trying to make Jersey Shore characters out of wrestlers.
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Post by James Fabiano on Sept 30, 2015 18:51:30 GMT -5
When ever I see a bad angle I blame creative not the performer. I'm sure the wrestlers themselves know the story line is going to bomb but have to make do or they don't have a job. It's really sad that wrestling has had a lot of lame angles over the last decade that make the Jerry Springer worthy of an Emmy. One angle that really turned me off of wrestling was Chris Nowinski and Scott Steiner having a debate in the ring about their opinions on the war in Iraq. Another one was TNA trying to make Jersey Shore characters out of wrestlers. Funny, as your last point gets me even more into the "person vs. performer" angle we've gotten into. Because Robbie E, as I mentioned a number of times before, is an example of someone I cannot like for what the person did; moreso since it was a more personal incident to me. It was an ECPW show over 3 1/2 years ago, when he practically threw a table at my friend (this was not when he was wrestling, so it was not in character) and then refused to apologize and tried to get security after her when she wanted to talk about the incident. This is also why I am over-critical of PWS, and that is a long story for another time in itself! Anyway, yeah, I'd like it if a performer or artist was also a person I'd enjoy meeting in person, or someone I can look up to for reasons other than their work. And I do get let down if otherwise. There's the obvious examples such as people who killed or committed crimes (and yes, I still say Benoit knew what he was doing more than we think...a weekend-long murder spree rather than one moment of total rage makes me wonder about that...). But I get thrown off if I so much as hear about a celebrity being rude to somebody or acting like they're better than everyone and cannot be touched by us "commoners." (or use the infamous DYKWIA? phrase) As for if people whose work I don't enjoy are nice people? Well that helps. I used to not really like Lady Gaga or her music, then I heard about her being one of the more approachable megastars out there. And well, I ended up liking her work with Tony Bennett and some of her solo stuff. I don't really like Taylor Swift (BTW, Kanye incident = TOTAL WORK. Just sayin') but she's another accessible star and she tries to do positive things.
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Post by gatordone on Sept 30, 2015 19:46:25 GMT -5
When ever I see a bad angle I blame creative not the performer. I'm sure the wrestlers themselves know the story line is going to bomb but have to make do or they don't have a job. It's really sad that wrestling has had a lot of lame angles over the last decade that make the Jerry Springer worthy of an Emmy. One angle that really turned me off of wrestling was Chris Nowinski and Scott Steiner having a debate in the ring about their opinions on the war in Iraq. Another one was TNA trying to make Jersey Shore characters out of wrestlers. Funny, as your last point gets me even more into the "person vs. performer" angle we've gotten into. Because Robbie E, as I mentioned a number of times before, is an example of someone I cannot like for what the person did; moreso since it was a more personal incident to me. It was an ECPW show over 3 1/2 years ago, when he practically threw a table at my friend (this was not when he was wrestling, so it was not in character) and then refused to apologize and tried to get security after her when she wanted to talk about the incident. This is also why I am over-critical of PWS, and that is a long story for another time in itself! Anyway, yeah, I'd like it if a performer or artist was also a person I'd enjoy meeting in person, or someone I can look up to for reasons other than their work. And I do get let down if otherwise. There's the obvious examples such as people who killed or committed crimes (and yes, I still say Benoit knew what he was doing more than we think...a weekend-long murder spree rather than one moment of total rage makes me wonder about that...). But I get thrown off if I so much as hear about a celebrity being rude to somebody or acting like they're better than everyone and cannot be touched by us "commoners." (or use the infamous DYKWIA? phrase) As for if people whose work I don't enjoy are nice people? Well that helps. I used to not really like Lady Gaga or her music, then I heard about her being one of the more approachable megastars out there. And well, I ended up liking her work with Tony Bennett and some of her solo stuff. I don't really like Taylor Swift (BTW, Kanye incident = TOTAL WORK. Just sayin') but she's another accessible star and she tries to do positive things. Sorry I might have misunderstood the question. Are we talking about a bad angle to performer or a bad person to a performer. Are we judging the performer or the person that plays a character.
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 1, 2015 8:22:54 GMT -5
Funny, as your last point gets me even more into the "person vs. performer" angle we've gotten into. Because Robbie E, as I mentioned a number of times before, is an example of someone I cannot like for what the person did; moreso since it was a more personal incident to me. It was an ECPW show over 3 1/2 years ago, when he practically threw a table at my friend (this was not when he was wrestling, so it was not in character) and then refused to apologize and tried to get security after her when she wanted to talk about the incident. This is also why I am over-critical of PWS, and that is a long story for another time in itself! Anyway, yeah, I'd like it if a performer or artist was also a person I'd enjoy meeting in person, or someone I can look up to for reasons other than their work. And I do get let down if otherwise. There's the obvious examples such as people who killed or committed crimes (and yes, I still say Benoit knew what he was doing more than we think...a weekend-long murder spree rather than one moment of total rage makes me wonder about that...). But I get thrown off if I so much as hear about a celebrity being rude to somebody or acting like they're better than everyone and cannot be touched by us "commoners." (or use the infamous DYKWIA? phrase) As for if people whose work I don't enjoy are nice people? Well that helps. I used to not really like Lady Gaga or her music, then I heard about her being one of the more approachable megastars out there. And well, I ended up liking her work with Tony Bennett and some of her solo stuff. I don't really like Taylor Swift (BTW, Kanye incident = TOTAL WORK. Just sayin') but she's another accessible star and she tries to do positive things. Sorry I might have misunderstood the question. Are we talking about a bad angle to performer or a bad person to a performer. Are we judging the performer or the person that plays a character. There were parts of the thread that kind of leaned towards the latter.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 1, 2015 15:28:31 GMT -5
Absolutely it does.
I can't stand Dolph Ziggler now, and it is nothing to do with him as a person. But frankly, if I saw him in the flesh, I would probably mark out like a little kid and get a photo... and go back to booing him at live shows.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Oct 1, 2015 20:46:01 GMT -5
No. Bad gimmick is not the same thing as ad wrestler. Of we went solely by gimmicks, we would have likely written HHH off when he debuted with his aristocratic snob gimmick.
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