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Post by Joe Neglia on Oct 2, 2015 18:47:08 GMT -5
Obadiah for me. When he had his "good" face on, the dude was just so damn likable.
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Post by hossfan on Oct 2, 2015 18:55:46 GMT -5
If we're comparing just the MCU villains to the entirety of DC's movie catalog, the latter wins pretty easily in terms of quality. Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor, Terrance Stamp as Zod, Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger as the Joker, and Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman were all good to great. Even Tom Hardy's Bane was alright, though I wasn't a big fan of the storyline he was part of. Well, if you include the entire Marvel movie catalog, you get some more serious competition with Ian McKellan's Magneto and William DeFoe's Goblin, and Colin Farrel's Bullseye. I'll give you Magneto (both Fassbender and McKellan) but the other villains you mention weren't anything special.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Oct 2, 2015 19:10:17 GMT -5
I thought DeFoe's Norman Osborn was amazingly mult-faceted, but he wasn't able to translate that over to his one-dimensional costumed alter ego. Bullseye was a lot of fun, but again, one-dimensional.
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Post by mysterydriver on Oct 2, 2015 19:18:39 GMT -5
I am still legitimately bummed that Whiplash got killed off. Rourke...man, he had something. In the small dose we ended up with, it seems okay, but there was so much little stuff he was doing on that 'probably annoyed the director' method actor kind of way.
That prison scene. Daggone it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 2, 2015 21:16:14 GMT -5
I thought DeFoe's Norman Osborn was amazingly mult-faceted, but he wasn't able to translate that over to his one-dimensional costumed alter ego. Bullseye was a lot of fun, but again, one-dimensional. Plus, if there's anyone's face that shouldn't be completely covered in a mask like that it's Dafoe's. Though I did like when they occasionally lifted the 'eyes' on that mask.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 2, 2015 21:18:00 GMT -5
I gotta go Winter Soldier I think.
Yes, at the end of the movie he becomes an anti-hero, but he's a villain through most of it. Just the right combination of badassery and pathos.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 2, 2015 21:51:16 GMT -5
Red Skull because I love Hugo Weaving.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Oct 3, 2015 7:55:42 GMT -5
If we are talking all supervillains on screen then Alfred Molina's Dr Octopus is really good.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Oct 3, 2015 9:12:57 GMT -5
Pierce, Redford nailed it!
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 3, 2015 9:57:31 GMT -5
Kingpin and Winter Soldier were great, even if Winter Soldier was more of an anti-villain than anything else. most of the other villains are kinda weak.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 3, 2015 12:59:31 GMT -5
Other than Kingpin, I really like Leland Owlsley from Daredevil too. He managed to be unlikeable enough to root against with how devious he was but also fun to watch and entertaining at the same time. I hope he returns, this time as The Owl in a future series.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 3, 2015 13:12:39 GMT -5
Bob Gunton is such a great, slimy character actor agreed. Always conniving and let's face it, obtuse.
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 3, 2015 14:08:51 GMT -5
This is making me realize just how flat and uninteresting Marvel villains have been. Kingpin was good but he had a whole show to develop. And as good as the MCU is in following the original comics, yes they have that as a big flaw. The villains might have been OK for a contained story, but all but Loki have not come close to being considered iconic like, say, both Jokers and Hackman Lex. Then again, in Marvel, Spider-Man's rogues' gallery and Magneto are probably the most iconic/memorable to fan and casual alike. Others just didn't flow well to the live action big screen, in the 2000s+ (Mandarin, I am looking at YOU. And I don't get the love for the pre-twist character. He came off as robotic and artificial to me)
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Post by Jiren on Oct 3, 2015 14:26:11 GMT -5
The annoying thing is Dr Doom has potential to be the best Villain in the MCU (He is the best Villain ever IMO) but sadly he's stuck in Fox/F4 limbo with Galactus & The Skrulls
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 3, 2015 14:27:38 GMT -5
If we're counting all of them, I thought Kevin Bacon's Sebastian Shaw was pretty fun.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Oct 3, 2015 19:49:23 GMT -5
Bob Gunton is such a great, slimy character actor agreed. Always conniving and let's face it, obtuse. Well played, Mr. Hamilton.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 3, 2015 20:08:46 GMT -5
Obadiah Stane was great, if a little too one-dimensional. Tony's a real dickhead, so he needed a villain who showed the audience that for all Tony's personal flaws, he still had a heart and was a good man. Both he and Stane were cut from the same cloth, but Stane lacked any of Tony's redeeming points, and Jeff Bridges played it perfectly. He's menacing.
Robert Redford nailed Alexander Pierce too. As the old saying goes, the best villains always believe what they're doing is right, and Pierce's conviction was clearly that Hydra's goal would ultimately benefit the world. As much as I love Hugo Weaving as Red Skull, he's essentially playing a one-dimensional evil-for-evil's-sake character who wants to rule the world.
It's a shame that Marvel tend to kill off most of the villains. When you consider how many projects they have on the go, having some of them stick around would be a boon.
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Post by Juice on Oct 3, 2015 20:34:29 GMT -5
Obadiah Stane Set the Standard. "Tony Stark built this in a cave...With a pile of Scraps!"
Kingpin was great as well.
As far as just really cool villains to see on screen, Red Skull.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 4, 2015 10:31:50 GMT -5
I can see Kilgrave becoming one of the great Marvel cinematic villains once Jessica Jones gets going. He's awesome in the comics and, Tennant has shown he can pull of being a villain as Barty Crouch so I have high hopes for Kilgrave.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 5, 2015 20:57:15 GMT -5
If we're including television, I have to give a shout out to Grant Ward. Just sympathetic enough to be three-dimensional, while being slimy and heartless enough that you don't end up rooting for him. Also, John Garrett; just an excellent foil for Coulson and the Agents of SHIELD. The End of the Beginning is one episode of AoS I can watch a hundred times.
Film-wise, Stane pretty much holds the closest second to Loki. Jeff Bridges did the damn thing.
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