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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 17, 2015 13:40:35 GMT -5
And even some that weren't. The guy just seems to be a tool. I like his stuff with NXT but yeah, he seems an arse. To play Devil's Advocate for a moment... When Triple H was coming up, he probably had it drummed into him that you had to be ruthless to get ahead. So he latched onto Kevin Nash and Shawn Michaels who are hardly the best examples of being selfless. Too bad he didn't learn anything from Shawn's second run. Michaels knew his spot was cemented and he put all kinds of guys over and lost zero credibility. Meanwhile you have Triple H, who un-retires just to bury people.
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Post by Chiral on Oct 17, 2015 14:16:10 GMT -5
Deep down, maybe Triple H dislikes himself the most, covering up his disdain for himself with over the top ego stroking and putting down of anyone he remotely considers a threat.
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Post by superchamp on Oct 17, 2015 14:21:04 GMT -5
To play Devil's Advocate for a moment... When Triple H was coming up, he probably had it drummed into him that you had to be ruthless to get ahead. So he latched onto Kevin Nash and Shawn Michaels who are hardly the best examples of being selfless. Too bad he didn't learn anything from Shawn's second run. Michaels knew his spot was cemented and he put all kinds of guys over and lost zero credibility. Meanwhile you have Triple H, who un-retires just to bury people. He did lose to Bryan and lost to the Shield like 3 times in a row last year - I do kinda think the WWE and Triple H realise themselves that they did squander a good thing with the CM Punk shitshow in 2011 - if he wrestles an active top talent now, I think it's because they're a talent he wants to put over
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Post by schma on Oct 17, 2015 14:44:21 GMT -5
Bubba Ray Dudley- Bubba said he was supposed to get a good push as a singles until he f***ed up a spot during a match with HHH and dropped him on his head. Kane- Kevin Kelly said on a podcast that HHH straight up said that he wouldn't do the job for Kane or RVD....even when they were hotter than hell. Rocky- This has been well documented. I bet Rocky had that special aura where you knew he was gonna be great and a huge star before it happens. Safe to say the Kliq boys caught on. Jericho-I'm not sure why HHH didn't like him coming in. Was it a "vanilla midget lol" thing? Mick Foley- Pretty sure HHH bashed his physique and wrestling ability backstage. Probably doesn't like Johnny Nitro (Melina/Batista thing), Test (Steph), Brian Kendrick/Paul London ("vanilla midgets"), Brock Lesnar (jealousy) . Doubt HHH gives a shit about the NXT 5 outside of Balor and Itami since he loves his puro. Despite HHH being a huge prick it looked like he had alot of respect for Benoit (pre-you know) and Guerrero. That's pretty cool. Jericho himself pretty much said he didn't make a lot of friends when he first started there because one of his early promos buried a really boring promo Taker had done. He'd figured he was just doing what he should as a cocky heel but some guys took offence to it. No idea if Trips was one of them. Also, he was a WCW guy feuding with the Rock right off the bat so that probably didn't sit well with many of them.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 17, 2015 14:50:04 GMT -5
Deep down, maybe Triple H dislikes himself the most, covering up his disdain for himself with over the top ego stroking and putting down of anyone he remotely considers a threat. Nah, he hates Punk more
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Oct 17, 2015 14:57:13 GMT -5
He never liked Ultimate Warrior. When Ultimate Warrior completely no-sold that pedigree from HHH at WM12, Hunter realized that world must share his pain. He wouldn't stop until he fulfilled his quest to bury every single wrestler to ever step foot in the ring with him.
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Post by tms on Oct 17, 2015 15:00:43 GMT -5
Surprised it took this long to mention the Rock. The heat may have died down in recent years, but early in Rock's career Triple H and HBK used to bury and torement him for awhile. The "Lots of things bi I am, but lingual's not one of them" is a memorable line, but during that same Shamrock-Rock match commentary you can clearly tell he has a significant amount of professional jealousy/resentment going on against the Rock. I'd watch it for those who haven't seen the actual match.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 15:06:15 GMT -5
He never liked Ultimate Warrior. When Ultimate Warrior completely no-sold that pedigree from HHH at WM12, Hunter realized that world must share his pain. He wouldn't stop until he fulfilled his quest to bury every single wrestler to ever step foot in the ring with him. He got out-politicked, and swore from that day it would never happen again... because he knows what's BEST FOR THIS BUSINESS.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 17, 2015 16:57:33 GMT -5
Bubba Ray Dudley- Bubba said he was supposed to get a good push as a singles until he f***ed up a spot during a match with HHH and dropped him on his head. Kane- Kevin Kelly said on a podcast that HHH straight up said that he wouldn't do the job for Kane or RVD....even when they were hotter than hell. Rocky- This has been well documented. I bet Rocky had that special aura where you knew he was gonna be great and a huge star before it happens. Safe to say the Kliq boys caught on. Jericho-I'm not sure why HHH didn't like him coming in. Was it a "vanilla midget lol" thing? Mick Foley- Pretty sure HHH bashed his physique and wrestling ability backstage. Probably doesn't like Johnny Nitro (Melina/Batista thing), Test (Steph), Brian Kendrick/Paul London ("vanilla midgets"), Brock Lesnar (jealousy) . Doubt HHH gives a shit about the NXT 5 outside of Balor and Itami since he loves his puro. Despite HHH being a huge prick it looked like he had alot of respect for Benoit (pre-you know) and Guerrero. That's pretty cool. Jericho himself pretty much said he didn't make a lot of friends when he first started there because one of his early promos buried a really boring promo Taker had done. He'd figured he was just doing what he should as a cocky heel but some guys took offence to it. No idea if Trips was one of them. Also, he was a WCW guy feuding with the Rock right off the bat so that probably didn't sit well with many of them. IIRC, from what Jericho says Triple H pretty much hated him from day one. In his second book Jericho says Triple H offered to help him out when he arrived. So a couple of weeks later he called Triple H to ask for directions to the arena and Triple H gave him some snarky reply and Jericho said he could hear the rest of DX laughing in the background. The way Jericho tells it, it seems like they were hazing the new guy. Then Jericho got more heat because he was used to just going to the ring and doing whatever in WCW as opposed to his matches being structured which led to a perception that he couldn't work which led to X-Pac of all people mentoring him in the WWF style. And fairness, the Undertaker promo in question was that infamous long rambling promo about leaving Big Show in the desert. Heel or not Jericho was right about it being boring.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Oct 17, 2015 17:34:59 GMT -5
I actually think it would be easier to list the people he actually liked, which apart from the Kliq and his NXT projects, seems to just be Flair, Regal, Benoit, Guerrero, and possibly Seth Rollins (he really tried to step back and be Rollins' Naitch at the start of Rollins' reign). Add Ambrose, Reigns, Bray, Harper, AA, Taker, Sheamus, Orton, Batista
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Post by captainhindsite on Oct 17, 2015 17:56:22 GMT -5
Can someone please explain this one
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Post by spagett on Oct 17, 2015 18:14:07 GMT -5
I actually think it would be easier to list the people he actually liked, which apart from the Kliq and his NXT projects, seems to just be Flair, Regal, Benoit, Guerrero, and possibly Seth Rollins (he really tried to step back and be Rollins' Naitch at the start of Rollins' reign). Add Ambrose, Reigns, Bray, Harper, AA, Taker, Sheamus, Orton, Batista His relationship with Orton has always been really odd and interesting to me. He chose Orton to join Evolution and clearly acted as a sort of mentor to him at that time and helped Orton become a long term main eventer. And yet on the other hand, he just always seemed to beat Orton. Over and over and over again, even if the storyline called for an Orton win it would almost always end with Triple H on top. Plus there was that interview a few years ago where Orton said how happy he was to be drafted away from Triple H onto a different show and was laughing at Umaga because now he had to deal with him. That doesn't make it sound like they're great friends to me. I'm not saying Triple H dislikes him, but yeah it's always been a bit weird.
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Post by schma on Oct 17, 2015 18:17:04 GMT -5
Which wrestlers does Triple H have a history of disliking behind the scenes. The ones I can think of are: Goldberg - Talked bad about him way back in 2000. Goldberg than seen him at some autograph signing back during the WCW days & screamed in his face. Also Triple H made comments that he doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame Scott Steiner - Talked bad about him in an interview a few years ago saying that Steiner has to talk trash about others because he didn't make it in the business. Clearly obvious from the things Steiner said too that they didn't like each other. Going back to these two, I've gotten the impression that Goldberg for the most part takes himself really seriously and doesn't take slights against him well. He might be a great guy but that seems like the kind of thing that would set him off. I remember the story about him showing up in WWE and wanting to know where the guy who did Gillberg was because that had genuinely pissed him off. Don't get me wrong, I loved watching his WCW run, that guy had an it factor that completely made up for any shortcomings (probably the intensity he brought to the ring). I find the idea that anyone could think Steiner didn't make it in the business laughable. No he wasn't one of the biggest guys ever but he was part of one of the biggest teams of the 90s, a multiple time champion including world champ. Yeah his last WWE was bad because he was injured and whatnot but a lot of guys would kill for a career half as successful as his (or even half as long).
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Post by Juice on Oct 17, 2015 19:31:41 GMT -5
Too bad he didn't learn anything from Shawn's second run. Michaels knew his spot was cemented and he put all kinds of guys over and lost zero credibility. Meanwhile you have Triple H, who un-retires just to bury people. He did lose to Bryan and lost to the Shield like 3 times in a row last year - I do kinda think the WWE and Triple H realise themselves that they did squander a good thing with the CM Punk shitshow in 2011 - if he wrestles an active top talent now, I think it's because they're a talent he wants to put over Hhh wanted to make up for it and put punk over at mania, until punk abruptly left. Unlike a lot of the speculative posts, that's a fact according to punk on podcast.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 17, 2015 19:51:09 GMT -5
He did lose to Bryan and lost to the Shield like 3 times in a row last year - I do kinda think the WWE and Triple H realise themselves that they did squander a good thing with the CM Punk shitshow in 2011 - if he wrestles an active top talent now, I think it's because they're a talent he wants to put over Hhh wanted to make up for it and put punk over at mania, until punk abruptly left. Unlike a lot of the speculative posts, that's a fact according to punk on podcast. The damage had been done. I'd like to think, and maybe alot of us are being naive, that Triple H has mellowed out since stepping away from being a wrestler. But when he was a wrestler, anybody who was a threat to him at all I'd say he'd have some dislike toward.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 19:53:49 GMT -5
Always felt like Triple H resented that Vince chose Cena to carry the banner over Batista. Oh it was evident during 2004-2007 that he was resenting Cena being the chosen one instead of his chosen ones of Orton or Batista. Like it wasn't till late 2007 or 2008 that Triple H started putting Cena over in interviews in a over the top seemingly phony fashion when HHH would actually bury Cena during interviews and even during his own DVD. Add Ambrose, Reigns, Bray, Harper, AA, Taker, Sheamus, Orton, Batista His relationship with Orton has always been really odd and interesting to me. He chose Orton to join Evolution and clearly acted as a sort of mentor to him at that time and helped Orton become a long term main eventer. And yet on the other hand, he just always seemed to beat Orton. Over and over and over again, even if the storyline called for an Orton win it would almost always end with Triple H on top. Plus there was that interview a few years ago where Orton said how happy he was to be drafted away from Triple H onto a different show and was laughing at Umaga because now he had to deal with him. That doesn't make it sound like they're great friends to me. I'm not saying Triple H dislikes him, but yeah it's always been a bit weird. What I get is that HHH likes Orton in a way because he was handpicked to be one of the chosen ones to join Evolution and be the future banner carrier of the companies. But HHH hated on how Orton was a self destructive mess at the time.
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 17, 2015 20:06:51 GMT -5
On Cena he hated that he was protected by Vince and Steph
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 22:17:50 GMT -5
Add Ambrose, Reigns, Bray, Harper, AA, Taker, Sheamus, Orton, Batista His relationship with Orton has always been really odd and interesting to me. He chose Orton to join Evolution and clearly acted as a sort of mentor to him at that time and helped Orton become a long term main eventer. And yet on the other hand, he just always seemed to beat Orton. Over and over and over again, even if the storyline called for an Orton win it would almost always end with Triple H on top. Plus there was that interview a few years ago where Orton said how happy he was to be drafted away from Triple H onto a different show and was laughing at Umaga because now he had to deal with him. That doesn't make it sound like they're great friends to me. I'm not saying Triple H dislikes him, but yeah it's always been a bit weird. Kinda sounds like there's some tension there. Sexually
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Oct 17, 2015 23:34:51 GMT -5
I think the comments in this thread on the order of "Triple H wouldn't job/lose to X wrestler so therefore he must not like him" are a bit inaccurate. Wrestling is a cut-throat business and a man must always look out for #1: himself. If Triple H had laid down for Kane or RVD he might not have achieved the position he has today. Many other great wrestlers of the past have similarly protected themselves. I highly, highly, highly doubt Triple H and Kane have any heat between them. Given how much time they have been on the road together I'll go out on a limb and say they probably consider each other family at this point. You know what do all those guys have in common? They are all solid B+ players as far as WWE history of all time greats goes. In fact, Triple H belongs to that group of guys that were very good to almost great, but never made it to the A list of WWE All time Greats (Hogan, Rock, Austin, Flair, Taker, etc) He knows it deep down inside, but can't accept the truth and that's why he hates their guts and tries to berate them to show that he's above them. Of course, he fools nobody but his family. Triple H is on the level of Ric Flair. Above him, really. Consider the size of the business at the time of Flair's peak. Consider the size of the crowds he wrestled in front of. Then compare it to the WWE in the early 2000s when WWE making more money than any company in history (including during the Attitude Era). And remember HHH is not retired yet. Recent matches such as the one at Wrestlemania XXX will still count towards his overall legacy.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 17, 2015 23:43:46 GMT -5
Bubba Ray Dudley- Bubba said he was supposed to get a good push as a singles until he f***ed up a spot during a match with HHH and dropped him on his head. Kane- Kevin Kelly said on a podcast that HHH straight up said that he wouldn't do the job for Kane or RVD....even when they were hotter than hell. Rocky- This has been well documented. I bet Rocky had that special aura where you knew he was gonna be great and a huge star before it happens. Safe to say the Kliq boys caught on. Jericho-I'm not sure why HHH didn't like him coming in. Was it a "vanilla midget lol" thing? Mick Foley- Pretty sure HHH bashed his physique and wrestling ability backstage. Probably doesn't like Johnny Nitro (Melina/Batista thing), Test (Steph), Brian Kendrick/Paul London ("vanilla midgets"), Brock Lesnar (jealousy) . Doubt HHH gives a shit about the NXT 5 outside of Balor and Itami since he loves his puro. Despite HHH being a huge prick it looked like he had alot of respect for Benoit (pre-you know) and Guerrero. That's pretty cool. Jericho himself pretty much said he didn't make a lot of friends when he first started there because one of his early promos buried a really boring promo Taker had done. He'd figured he was just doing what he should as a cocky heel but some guys took offence to it. No idea if Trips was one of them. Also, he was a WCW guy feuding with the Rock right off the bat so that probably didn't sit well with many of them. I still think that Jericho (accidentally?) stiffing Chyna while HHH was still dating her didn't help.
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