Ring of Honor discussion thread

[2coldMack is even more baffled]

Oct 22, 2015 14:54:14 GMT -5 @jinxed said:

Oct 22, 2015 13:27:51 GMT -5 2coldMack is even more baffled said:

So somebody fill me in on this Colby Corino situation, is he a heel in this scenario, or just.....somehow completely unaware of the fact that Whitmer and Page are blatantly using him against his dad?

Completely oblivious to the situation and a touch brainwashed. Steve has said that Colby wants to do it on his own and not use his dad to get into places which he was fine with. Now though, BJ and Page got to Colby and convinced him the Decade was the way to do things, got him to leave home and stop talking to Steve.

Interesting. Gotta say, Colby looks like a complete goober to me, but I love the storyline.

[chazraps]

Oct 22, 2015 15:20:50 GMT -5 2coldMack is even more baffled said:

Oct 22, 2015 14:54:14 GMT -5 @jinxed said:

Completely oblivious to the situation and a touch brainwashed. Steve has said that Colby wants to do it on his own and not use his dad to get into places which he was fine with. Now though, BJ and Page got to Colby and convinced him the Decade was the way to do things, got him to leave home and stop talking to Steve.

Interesting. Gotta say, Colby looks like a complete goober to me, but I love the storyline.

What makes it even better is the Adam Page factor. Last year, Page was in Colby's position as The Decade's young boy. Whitmer did his fantastic job at being just super odious as a "mentor," and Page being naturally great as emoting sympathy made fans red hot waiting for him to rebel...

...only for Page to come into his own and embrace Whitmer during The Decade's split, becoming a full-fledged member and thinking Whitmer's merciless abuse was good for him, and he's in-turn doing the same thing now to Colby. This made The Decade's heat go from red hot to white hot as the underdog we wanted to finally overcome his situation turned his back on US, which compounds the Colby situation, making him even more sympathetic.

All credit goes to Delirious for this as doing that with Page was a HUGE gamble and could have made fans feel screwed and crapped on the angle, but they're going with it and making The Decade easily the most hated outfit in ROH. The last two ROH tapings I've gone to, they've cut out easily 90 seconds of the crowd booing before Whitmer could even speak on the mic. Everyone's really done incredible work with this almost-two-year-old angle.

I mean no disrespect to anything else Whitmer's done as I enjoy his body of work, but THIS character is so perfect and truly rare form for any wrestler to enter.

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Latest episode was great. It's hilarious how the Addiction's great KRD scheme has been turned around on them, even after whoever's messing with them reveals himself there's no guarantee that some other guy can't just start messing with them as well, this throwaway thing that they came up with to win the titles could end up haunting them for as long as they're in ROH. Corino knocking out Whitmer was great and stories like that are one of the reasons I wish ROH would get more attention than it does, no other company lets stories build and build like Corino/Whitmer and I love how so much of it is just kind of in the background of whatever else the Decade are doing. Their ability to plant seeds here and there but never leave any loose threads in the end is great.

[Oak: Certified Jade Hater]

I've been keeping up with ROH here an there, but after catching the last two episodes I have to say it's slowly drawing me in again. Thankfully each new episode is on the website, which does make watching easier since I don't have DA.

One critique I do have is that there is a lot of talking. On the recent episode: during the ANX/Addiction match they had the Briscoes do a "stay tuned", had Lethal do an ad, Dalton Castle and Silas Young's feud recapped (which did help), The Kingdom promo leading to reDRagon leading to #BigMike... just seemed like a lot.

[saintpat]

I just wanted to take a minute to express my gratitude to TNA for removing the American Wolves -- in particular, Davey -- from the ROH roster.

Thank you Dixie.

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Oct 22, 2015 23:41:42 GMT -5 Oak: Certified Jade Hater said:

I've been keeping up with ROH here an there, but after catching the last two episodes I have to say it's slowly drawing me in again. Thankfully each new episode is on the website, which does make watching easier since I don't have DA.

One critique I do have is that there is a lot of talking. On the recent episode: during the ANX/Addiction match they had the Briscoes do a "stay tuned", had Lethal do an ad, Dalton Castle and Silas Young's feud recapped (which did help), The Kingdom promo leading to reDRagon leading to #BigMike... just seemed like a lot.

I don't mind that for the most part, I get a kick out of the corny "stay tuned" promos, or when Truth Martini tells you to brace yourself for an important message from Super Beta Prostate. It was pretty bad though when they're hyping an Adam Cole promo for the first time since turning on Kyle O'Reilly, and Cole's live promo was pretty much a verbatim repeat of his pre-taped promo from the week before.

This Kingdom/reDRagon feud is annoying me anyways, I wish they'd ease off on the whole "how could Adam Cole have done this?" aspect of the storyline because this is absolutely something Adam Cole would do. Future Shock was a long time ago and they hadn't been friends since the Eddie/Davey feud.

[Oak: Certified Jade Hater]

Agreed. I've only heard about this through two videos on ROH's yt and this week's episode, and it just seems excessive. Adam Cole is a jerk but we knew that already, so I don't get the point of dragging this out. Just end it in time for SotF.

Speaking of which, I have a small feeling ACH has this one. Dude's been picking up some momentum lately.

[The Spelunker!]

Going to their Kalamazoo show tonight. Looks like a really good card!

[mcmahonfan85]

[Alice Syndrome]

Oct 23, 2015 1:47:17 GMT -5 saintpat said:

I just wanted to take a minute to express my gratitude to TNA for removing the American Wolves -- in particular, Davey -- from the ROH roster.

Thank you Dixie.

Technically, Davey did that himself in an attempt to get into WWE

[Chuck Conry]

Ya know, I like ReDRagon and all, but I don't feel too bad for Kyle, because didn't he turn on Cole originally?

[Alice Syndrome]

I'm not cheering Jay Briscoe against Adam Page. Screw that guy.

Also a piledriver through a table isn't the finish? really?

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SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}NEW ROH TV CHAMPIONS CROWNED
by Mike Johnson @ 10:12 PM on 10/23/2015

Roderick Strong defeated Jay Lethal to win the ROH Television championship tonight in Kalamazoo, Michigan. We will have more details ASAP.
Thanks to Ron Williams.


A few more:

Big spoilers from tonight’s television taping.

Roderick Strong defeated Jay Lethal for the TV Title tonight. We will have full results up.

Also BJ Whitmer will face Steve Corino at Final Battle in a Fight Without Honor and the Decade are banned from FB.

It is Jay Lethal vs AJ Styles as the main event of Final Battle 2015 for the ROH World Championship

F***! I...f***...knew after that promo this would happen. Dammit.

[Gus Richlen: Ruffian]

Oct 23, 2015 21:46:33 GMT -5 @jinxed said:

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}{Spoiler}NEW ROH TV CHAMPIONS CROWNED
by Mike Johnson @ 10:12 PM on 10/23/2015

Roderick Strong defeated Jay Lethal to win the ROH Television championship tonight in Kalamazoo, Michigan. We will have more details ASAP.
Thanks to Ron Williams.


A few more:

Big spoilers from tonight’s television taping.

Roderick Strong defeated Jay Lethal for the TV Title tonight. We will have full results up.

Also BJ Whitmer will face Steve Corino at Final Battle in a Fight Without Honor and the Decade are banned from FB.

It is Jay Lethal vs AJ Styles as the main event of Final Battle 2015 for the ROH World Championship

F***! I...f***...knew after that promo this would happen. Dammit.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}Eh, not worried that much. I don't see Roddy holding the belt for that long, and Lehtal/Styles is gonna be awesome.

Oh, and YES! WHITMER VS. CORINO!!!! HYPE!!!!

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}{Spoiler}

F*** YES! F*** YES!!!!

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Oct 23, 2015 21:46:33 GMT -5 @jinxed said:

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}{Spoiler}NEW ROH TV CHAMPIONS CROWNED
by Mike Johnson @ 10:12 PM on 10/23/2015

Roderick Strong defeated Jay Lethal to win the ROH Television championship tonight in Kalamazoo, Michigan. We will have more details ASAP.
Thanks to Ron Williams.


A few more:

Big spoilers from tonight’s television taping.

Roderick Strong defeated Jay Lethal for the TV Title tonight. We will have full results up.

Also BJ Whitmer will face Steve Corino at Final Battle in a Fight Without Honor and the Decade are banned from FB.

It is Jay Lethal vs AJ Styles as the main event of Final Battle 2015 for the ROH World Championship

F***! I...f***...knew after that promo this would happen. Dammit.

[mcmahonfan85]

results from the tv taping Kalamazoo, MI (via random people on Twitter):

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}Pre show:

A. Samson Walker beat Hakim Zane

- Brutal Bob Evans called out Cheeseburger and challenged him to a match at Final Battle. Cheesebruger accepted, then powerbombed Evans.

- AJ Styles was injured working in New Japan, and will not be competing tonight.

Episode 1:

1. Caprice Coleman beat Will Ferrara by submission. During the match Prince Nana came out to watch, and gave Ferrara an envelope after the match. Kevin Kelley interviewed Nana, who said it was "the age of enlightenment", and more would be coming.

- ACH cut a promo about the final match in his Best of Five series against Matt Sydal

2. ACH beat Cedric Alexander (w/Veda Scott) after a 450. Post match Alexander & Veda yelled at Nigel McGuinness, claiming the ring was faulty and caused him to lose.

3. The Briscoe Brothers (Jay & Mark Briscoe) beat The All-Night Express (Rhett Titus & Kenny King) after a Jay Driller/Froggy Bow combo on Titus

Episode 2:

4. War Machine (Hanson & Rowe) beat Silas Young & Beer City Bruiser (w/The Boys ) after hitting the Fallout on Bruiser. Young made the Boys carry beer kegs to the ring before the match.

- Nigel McGuinness brought out Steve Corino, and said he can't reinstate him as an announcer, but he can as a wrestler, and announces Corino vs. BJ Whitmer in a Fight Without Honor at Final Battle. Corino thank McGuinness, but says he needs neck fusion surgery. He thanked ROH and said he'll always be "evil", and hugged McGuinness, Bobby Cruise and Kevin Kelly.

5. Michael Elgin beat "KLD" after consecutive backfists and a clothesline. Post match he cut a promo about the ROH World Championship and issued a challenge to Jay Lethal.

6. The Kingdom (Michael Bennett & Matt Taven w/Maria Kanellis) (c) beat The Addiction (Christopher Daniels & Frankie Kazarian) to retain the ROH World Tag Team Championship. Finish saw someone dressed as a member of the KRD run out and superkick Kazarian, followed by Bennett pinning him for the win. Post match War Machine came out and stared down The Kingdom.

- INTERMISSION

B. Leah Von Dutch beat Mary Dobson

Episode 3:

7. Moose (w/Stokely Hathaway) beat Dominic Carter in a squash. "Carter walked into a spear and it's over! Entrance longer than the match - Moose wins!" Post match, Hathaway cut a promo on Jay Lethal, then on Michael Elgin, saying Moose is better than him in every way. Elgin comes out and tells Moose to speak for himself, but they are interrupted by The House of Truth.

8. Michael Elgin & Moose (w/Stokely Hathaway) beat The House of Truth (J. Diesel & Donovan Dijak w/Truth Martini). Finish saw Elgin hit a bucklebomb and spinning backfist on Diesel, followed by Moose hitting a spear for the win. Post match staredown between Elgin and Moose.

- The Decade came out for a promo. BJ Whitmer called Steve Corino and liar and quitter, and says Nigel McGuinness is the same. McGuinness bans The Decade from Final Battle.

9. Roderick Strong beat Jay Lethal (w/Truth Martini & The House of Truth) (c) to win the ROH World Television Championship. Martini and The House of Truth were ejected from ringside during the match.

Episode 4:

10. Will Ferrara beat Adam Page (w/BJ Whitmer & Colby Corino). Mark Briscoe was on commentary for the match. Finish saw The Decade tried to interfere, but it backfired and Page was hit with a crutch shot. Post match Mark chased off The Decade.

11. Cheeseburger beat Tim Hughes after a palm strike. Post match Brutal Bob Evans ran out and attacked Cheeseburger.

- Jay Lethal and AJ Styles out to announce their match for the ROH World Championship at Final Battle. Styles says Lethal losing the ROH World Television Championship is the best thing for him, since now he can focus on their match.

- The Addiction came out for a promo, and talk about how there is a conspiracy against them in ROH, and announce they are heading to New Japan.

12. Dalton Castle vs. Adam Cole (w/The Kingdom) ended in a no contest. The referee threw out the match after continued interference by The Kingdom. Post match The Kingdom had Castle cornered, until War Machine came to back him up.

13. The Kingdom (Adam Cole, Michael Bennett & Matt Taven w/Maria Kanellis) beat Dalton Castle & War Machine (Hanson & Rowe) in a Six-Man Tag Team match. Cole pinned Castle after a brainbuster onto his knee.

[saintpat]

Oct 23, 2015 20:58:16 GMT -5 Alice Syndrome said:

Oct 23, 2015 1:47:17 GMT -5 saintpat said:

I just wanted to take a minute to express my gratitude to TNA for removing the American Wolves -- in particular, Davey -- from the ROH roster.

Thank you Dixie.

Technically, Davey did that himself in an attempt to get into WWE

Good plan.

Didn't work.

[Dukect]

Oct 23, 2015 23:13:01 GMT -5 mcmahonfan85 said:

results from the tv taping Kalamazoo, MI (via random people on Twitter):

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Pre show:

A. Samson Walker beat Hakim Zane

- Brutal Bob Evans called out Cheeseburger and challenged him to a match at Final Battle. Cheesebruger accepted, then powerbombed Evans.

- AJ Styles was injured working in New Japan, and will not be competing tonight.

Episode 1:

1. Caprice Coleman beat Will Ferrara by submission. During the match Prince Nana came out to watch, and gave Ferrara an envelope after the match. Kevin Kelley interviewed Nana, who said it was "the age of enlightenment", and more would be coming.

- ACH cut a promo about the final match in his Best of Five series against Matt Sydal

2. ACH beat Cedric Alexander (w/Veda Scott) after a 450. Post match Alexander & Veda yelled at Nigel McGuinness, claiming the ring was faulty and caused him to lose.

3. The Briscoe Brothers (Jay & Mark Briscoe) beat The All-Night Express (Rhett Titus & Kenny King) after a Jay Driller/Froggy Bow combo on Titus

Episode 2:

4. War Machine (Hanson & Rowe) beat Silas Young & Beer City Bruiser (w/The Boys ) after hitting the Fallout on Bruiser. Young made the Boys carry beer kegs to the ring before the match.

- Nigel McGuinness brought out Steve Corino, and said he can't reinstate him as an announcer, but he can as a wrestler, and announces Corino vs. BJ Whitmer in a Fight Without Honor at Final Battle. Corino thank McGuinness, but says he needs neck fusion surgery. He thanked ROH and said he'll always be "evil", and hugged McGuinness, Bobby Cruise and Kevin Kelly.

5. Michael Elgin beat "KLD" after consecutive backfists and a clothesline. Post match he cut a promo about the ROH World Championship and issued a challenge to Jay Lethal.

6. The Kingdom (Michael Bennett & Matt Taven w/Maria Kanellis) (c) beat The Addiction (Christopher Daniels & Frankie Kazarian) to retain the ROH World Tag Team Championship. Finish saw someone dressed as a member of the KRD run out and superkick Kazarian, followed by Bennett pinning him for the win. Post match War Machine came out and stared down The Kingdom.

- INTERMISSION

B. Leah Von Dutch beat Mary Dobson

Episode 3:

7. Moose (w/Stokely Hathaway) beat Dominic Carter in a squash. "Carter walked into a spear and it's over! Entrance longer than the match - Moose wins!" Post match, Hathaway cut a promo on Jay Lethal, then on Michael Elgin, saying Moose is better than him in every way. Elgin comes out and tells Moose to speak for himself, but they are interrupted by The House of Truth.

8. Michael Elgin & Moose (w/Stokely Hathaway) beat The House of Truth (J. Diesel & Donovan Dijak w/Truth Martini). Finish saw Elgin hit a bucklebomb and spinning backfist on Diesel, followed by Moose hitting a spear for the win. Post match staredown between Elgin and Moose.

- The Decade came out for a promo. BJ Whitmer called Steve Corino and liar and quitter, and says Nigel McGuinness is the same. McGuinness bans The Decade from Final Battle.

9. Roderick Strong beat Jay Lethal (w/Truth Martini & The House of Truth) (c) to win the ROH World Television Championship. Martini and The House of Truth were ejected from ringside during the match.

Episode 4:

10. Will Ferrara beat Adam Page (w/BJ Whitmer & Colby Corino). Mark Briscoe was on commentary for the match. Finish saw The Decade tried to interfere, but it backfired and Page was hit with a crutch shot. Post match Mark chased off The Decade.

11. Cheeseburger beat Tim Hughes after a palm strike. Post match Brutal Bob Evans ran out and attacked Cheeseburger.

- Jay Lethal and AJ Styles out to announce their match for the ROH World Championship at Final Battle. Styles says Lethal losing the ROH World Television Championship is the best thing for him, since now he can focus on their match.

- The Addiction came out for a promo, and talk about how there is a conspiracy against them in ROH, and announce they are heading to New Japan.

12. Dalton Castle vs. Adam Cole (w/The Kingdom) ended in a no contest. The referee threw out the match after continued interference by The Kingdom. Post match The Kingdom had Castle cornered, until War Machine came to back him up.

13. The Kingdom (Adam Cole, Michael Bennett & Matt Taven w/Maria Kanellis) beat Dalton Castle & War Machine (Hanson & Rowe) in a Six-Man Tag Team match. Cole pinned Castle after a brainbuster onto his knee.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}That was stupid Roddy doesn't need the TV title I honestly think that Moose, ACH, Cedric Alexander, Dalton Castle, Silas Young, or heck Donovan Dijak would've been a better choice to take the TV title from Lethal rather than most blandest man alive.

[Emmet Russell]

Oct 24, 2015 1:20:27 GMT -5 Dukect said:

Oct 23, 2015 23:13:01 GMT -5 mcmahonfan85 said:

results from the tv taping Kalamazoo, MI (via random people on Twitter):

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Pre show:

A. Samson Walker beat Hakim Zane

- Brutal Bob Evans called out Cheeseburger and challenged him to a match at Final Battle. Cheesebruger accepted, then powerbombed Evans.

- AJ Styles was injured working in New Japan, and will not be competing tonight.

Episode 1:

1. Caprice Coleman beat Will Ferrara by submission. During the match Prince Nana came out to watch, and gave Ferrara an envelope after the match. Kevin Kelley interviewed Nana, who said it was "the age of enlightenment", and more would be coming.

- ACH cut a promo about the final match in his Best of Five series against Matt Sydal

2. ACH beat Cedric Alexander (w/Veda Scott) after a 450. Post match Alexander & Veda yelled at Nigel McGuinness, claiming the ring was faulty and caused him to lose.

3. The Briscoe Brothers (Jay & Mark Briscoe) beat The All-Night Express (Rhett Titus & Kenny King) after a Jay Driller/Froggy Bow combo on Titus

Episode 2:

4. War Machine (Hanson & Rowe) beat Silas Young & Beer City Bruiser (w/The Boys ) after hitting the Fallout on Bruiser. Young made the Boys carry beer kegs to the ring before the match.

- Nigel McGuinness brought out Steve Corino, and said he can't reinstate him as an announcer, but he can as a wrestler, and announces Corino vs. BJ Whitmer in a Fight Without Honor at Final Battle. Corino thank McGuinness, but says he needs neck fusion surgery. He thanked ROH and said he'll always be "evil", and hugged McGuinness, Bobby Cruise and Kevin Kelly.

5. Michael Elgin beat "KLD" after consecutive backfists and a clothesline. Post match he cut a promo about the ROH World Championship and issued a challenge to Jay Lethal.

6. The Kingdom (Michael Bennett & Matt Taven w/Maria Kanellis) (c) beat The Addiction (Christopher Daniels & Frankie Kazarian) to retain the ROH World Tag Team Championship. Finish saw someone dressed as a member of the KRD run out and superkick Kazarian, followed by Bennett pinning him for the win. Post match War Machine came out and stared down The Kingdom.

- INTERMISSION

B. Leah Von Dutch beat Mary Dobson

Episode 3:

7. Moose (w/Stokely Hathaway) beat Dominic Carter in a squash. "Carter walked into a spear and it's over! Entrance longer than the match - Moose wins!" Post match, Hathaway cut a promo on Jay Lethal, then on Michael Elgin, saying Moose is better than him in every way. Elgin comes out and tells Moose to speak for himself, but they are interrupted by The House of Truth.

8. Michael Elgin & Moose (w/Stokely Hathaway) beat The House of Truth (J. Diesel & Donovan Dijak w/Truth Martini). Finish saw Elgin hit a bucklebomb and spinning backfist on Diesel, followed by Moose hitting a spear for the win. Post match staredown between Elgin and Moose.

- The Decade came out for a promo. BJ Whitmer called Steve Corino and liar and quitter, and says Nigel McGuinness is the same. McGuinness bans The Decade from Final Battle.

9. Roderick Strong beat Jay Lethal (w/Truth Martini & The House of Truth) (c) to win the ROH World Television Championship. Martini and The House of Truth were ejected from ringside during the match.

Episode 4:

10. Will Ferrara beat Adam Page (w/BJ Whitmer & Colby Corino). Mark Briscoe was on commentary for the match. Finish saw The Decade tried to interfere, but it backfired and Page was hit with a crutch shot. Post match Mark chased off The Decade.

11. Cheeseburger beat Tim Hughes after a palm strike. Post match Brutal Bob Evans ran out and attacked Cheeseburger.

- Jay Lethal and AJ Styles out to announce their match for the ROH World Championship at Final Battle. Styles says Lethal losing the ROH World Television Championship is the best thing for him, since now he can focus on their match.

- The Addiction came out for a promo, and talk about how there is a conspiracy against them in ROH, and announce they are heading to New Japan.

12. Dalton Castle vs. Adam Cole (w/The Kingdom) ended in a no contest. The referee threw out the match after continued interference by The Kingdom. Post match The Kingdom had Castle cornered, until War Machine came to back him up.

13. The Kingdom (Adam Cole, Michael Bennett & Matt Taven w/Maria Kanellis) beat Dalton Castle & War Machine (Hanson & Rowe) in a Six-Man Tag Team match. Cole pinned Castle after a brainbuster onto his knee.

SPOILER: Click to show

That was stupid Roddy doesn't need the TV title I honestly think that Moose, ACH, Cedric Alexander, Dalton Castle, Silas Young, or heck Donovan Dijak would've been a better choice to take the TV title from Lethal rather than most blandest man alive.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}I like that Strong won it, because now those other talents don't have to beat Lethal - a guy way above them - in order to win a lesser title, instead they can beat Strong for the title. Works for me.