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Post by chrom on Nov 12, 2015 15:36:53 GMT -5
Doesn't Maria and The Bellas hate one another and why she left WWE?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 15:43:35 GMT -5
Doesn't Maria and The Bellas hate one another and why she left WWE? It was a Maria return they squashed over something Maria said/did on a Raw post show but both sides have said it is behind them. |
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Post by Starshine on Nov 12, 2015 18:53:29 GMT -5
Throwback Thursdays: Bryan Danielson (c) vs. Roderick Strong ROH World Championship "Vendetta" November 5, 2005 Chicago Ridge, IL I'm surprised they'd put this one up. IMO it's far and away one of the top 5 matches in ROH history. It's also the one that impressed me enough to make me a regular customer of the company. |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 13, 2015 0:46:21 GMT -5
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Nov 13, 2015 1:49:05 GMT -5
I....continue to not see the big deal about Michael Elgin.
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Post by PrinceD on Nov 13, 2015 10:46:50 GMT -5
Going to the Milwaukee show tonight!! Super pumped to see the Young Bucks & AJ!
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Post by chazraps on Nov 13, 2015 14:17:19 GMT -5
I....continue to not see the big deal about Michael Elgin. You seen the Davey match from 2012? |
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Nov 13, 2015 15:03:27 GMT -5
I....continue to not see the big deal about Michael Elgin. You seen the Davey match from 2012? I haven't, but I'm gonna go ahead and tell you right now: If your pitch for Michael Elgin is dependent on Davey Richards, you're not gonna make a sale here. |
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Post by Emmet Russell on Nov 13, 2015 19:18:29 GMT -5
I....continue to not see the big deal about Michael Elgin. I used to like him quite a lot, but the booking from 2012-14 really ruined him for me. They had him chase the title, get a title match, choke and lose, rinse and repeat. Over and over again. It soured me on him because by the time he actually won the title I really couldn't have cared less about him or his title goals. Since then it feels like he lost a step in the ring, has no defining character, and worst of all - he's boring as f***. Elgin's time has passed and I don't want to see him in ROH anymore. |
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Post by chazraps on Nov 13, 2015 20:15:37 GMT -5
You seen the Davey match from 2012? I haven't, but I'm gonna go ahead and tell you right now: If your pitch for Michael Elgin is dependent on Davey Richards, you're not gonna make a sale here. I'll say this, Davey admittedly can get a great match out of an ok-good wrestler, but it takes two exceptional talents for something this exceptional. I mean, if you still don't like Elgin after, then he's totally not for you. But, why not judge him by one of his absolute best matches? |
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Post by chazraps on Nov 13, 2015 20:22:27 GMT -5
I....continue to not see the big deal about Michael Elgin. I used to like him quite a lot, but the booking from 2012-14 really ruined him for me. They had him chase the title, get a title match, choke and lose, rinse and repeat. Over and over again. It soured me on him because by the time he actually won the title I really couldn't have cared less about him or his title goals. Since then it feels like he lost a step in the ring, has no defining character, and worst of all - he's boring as f***. Elgin's time has passed and I don't want to see him in ROH anymore. I think the SCUM feud really hurt Elgin and Lethal. Made them both look like second rate chumps with that final cage match that saw NEITHER of them able to defeat SCUM, but rather the defecting Steen being the savior and basically shown as single-handedly better than the entire company. Look at how much Lethal was hated here until his TV title reign really got going. Elgin really didn't get that same chance to rebuild and refresh his character, and while BITW '14 was a great moment (that came at the expense in some's eyes of derailing an Adam Cole reign that had really just started to get going) the only real standout marvelous defense he had was at Field of Honor '14, and then he lost the best within weeks. Then they collided Elgin and Ciampa doing similar disgruntled employee gimmicks at the expense of Ciampa, which seemed to sour people on Elgin further. He admittedly did great stuff in G4, and "guy who is returning after redeeming himself in Japan" is the most compelling he's been in quite a while, I feel he just needs a mouthpiece not just for promos, but overall overhaul. |
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Post by Emmet Russell on Nov 13, 2015 20:38:10 GMT -5
I used to like him quite a lot, but the booking from 2012-14 really ruined him for me. They had him chase the title, get a title match, choke and lose, rinse and repeat. Over and over again. It soured me on him because by the time he actually won the title I really couldn't have cared less about him or his title goals. Since then it feels like he lost a step in the ring, has no defining character, and worst of all - he's boring as f***. Elgin's time has passed and I don't want to see him in ROH anymore. I think the SCUM feud really hurt Elgin and Lethal. Made them both look like second rate chumps with that final cage match that saw NEITHER of them able to defeat SCUM, but rather the defecting Steen being the savior and basically shown as single-handedly better than the entire company. Look at how much Lethal was hated here until his TV title reign really got going. Elgin really didn't get that same chance to rebuild and refresh his character, and while BITW '14 was a great moment (that came at the expense in some's eyes of derailing an Adam Cole reign that had really just started to get going) the only real standout marvelous defense he had was at Field of Honor '14, and then he lost the best within weeks. Then they collided Elgin and Ciampa doing similar disgruntled employee gimmicks at the expense of Ciampa, which seemed to sour people on Elgin further. He admittedly did great stuff in G4, and "guy who is returning after redeeming himself in Japan" is the most compelling he's been in quite a while, I feel he just needs a mouthpiece not just for promos, but overall overhaul. I didn't see his G1 work but I did hear that he did very well and gave his career a rebirth of sorts ... I just don't see it happening in ROH. The fans still seem "eh" about him and I'm much the same. The redemption stuff, I'm not really buying, and his work is still pretty boring and samey. I think it worked in Japan because his style is fresh over there and he can work with a bunch of people he's never faced before. Maybe give it a year or two away from the company and see what happens then. Returning-hero, Japan-conquering Michael Elgin sounds a lot better than apologetic Elgin. |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 13, 2015 21:32:23 GMT -5
results from "Survival of the Fittest 2015: Night One" (via random people on twitter): {Spoiler} Pre show:A. Cheeseburger beat The Outlaw after a palm strike Main show:1. Christopher Daniels beat Hanson, Kenny King and Mark Briscoe in a Four Corner Survival match to advance to the "Survival of the Fittest" match. Daniels pinned Mark after a Uranage suplex followed by a BME. 2. Roderick Strong beat Cedric Alexander after a Sick Kick to advance to the "Survival of the Fittest" match 3. Silas Young (w/The Boys) beat Adam Page (w/BJ Whitmer) and Dalton Castle in a Three-Way match to advance to the "Survival of the Fittest" match. Before the match, Young cut a promo on Castle, saying the Boys told him "We don't want to see Dalton anymore". Post match Young and the Boys continued to attack Castle (no word on if they were willing participants or forced to do it, but either way  ) 4. The Kingdom (Michael Bennett & Matt Taven w/Adam Cole & Maria Kanellis) (c) beat reDRagon (Kyle O'Reilly & Bobby Fish) to retain the ROH World Tag Team Championship. Post match brawl between O'Reilly and Cole. - INTERMISSION 5. Jay Briscoe beat Frankie Kazarian, Rhett Titus and Rowe in a Four Corner Survival match to advance to the "Survival of the Fittest match". Jay pinned Titus after a Jay Driller. 6. Michael Elgin beat Adam Cole and Moose (w/Stokely Hathaway in a Three-Way match to advance to the "Survival of the Fittest". Finish saw Kyle O'Reilly come out and distract Cole, allowing Elgin to hit the Elgin Bomb on him for the win. Post match Cole superkicked "Carrot Top" (the redheaded ref). 7. ACH beat Matt Sydal to win the final match in the Best of Five series and advance to the "Survival of the Fittest" match. ACH won after a 450. 8. The Bullet Club (AJ Styles, Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson) beat The House of Truth (Jay Lethal, Joey Daddiego & Donovan Dijak w/Truth Martini & Taeler Hendrix) in a Six-Man Tag Team match. Styles pinned Lethal with a Styles Clash. Survival of the Fittest finals: ACH vs. Christopher Daniels vs. Jay Briscoe vs. Michael Elgin vs. Roderick Strong vs. Silas Young |
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Nov 13, 2015 21:39:06 GMT -5
That third match result breaks my f***ing heart.
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Post by chrom on Nov 13, 2015 21:43:40 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
Boys, you are dead to me |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 22:57:35 GMT -5
ongoing results from "Survival of the Fittest 2015: Night One" (via random people on twitter): {Spoiler}{Spoiler} Pre show:A. Cheeseburger beat The Outlaw after a palm strike Main show:1. Christopher Daniels beat Hanson, Kenny King and Mark Briscoe in a Four Corner Survival match to advance to the "Survival of the Fittest" match. Daniels pinned Mark after a Uranage suplex followed by a BME. 2. Roderick Strong beat Cedric Alexander after a Sick Kick to advance to the "Survival of the Fittest" match 3. Silas Young (w/The Boys) beat Adam Page (w/BJ Whitmer) and Dalton Castle in a Three-Way match to advance to the "Survival of the Fittest" match. Before the match, Young cut a promo on Castle, saying the Boys told him "We don't want to see Dalton anymore". Post match Young and the Boys continued to attack Castle (no word on if they were willing participants or forced to do it, but either way ) 4. The Kingdom (Michael Bennett & Matt Taven w/Adam Cole & Maria Kanellis) (c) beat reDRagon (Kyle O'Reilly & Bobby Fish) to retain the ROH World Tag Team Championship. Post match brawl between O'Reilly and Cole. - INTERMISSION 5. Jay Briscoe beat Frankie Kazarian, Rhett Titus and Rowe in a Four Corner Survival match to advance to the "Survival of the Fittest match". Jay pinned Titus after a Jay Driller. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}
BJ Whitmer did commentary for the first half of the card but was "hurt" and could not do the second half so Kevin Kelly called in an old friend by the name of Mr. Wrestling 3. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 14, 2015 1:26:01 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
Boys, you are dead to me {Spoiler}They're Men now. |
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Nov 14, 2015 1:37:17 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
Boys, you are dead to me {Spoiler}{Spoiler}They're Men now. {Spoiler}Get out. Get out right now and don't come back.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Nov 14, 2015 5:18:26 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
Officially backing ACH for SOTF now. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 6:41:22 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Let's go Elgin! Take shot and head to the Dome for home field advantage |
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