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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 24, 2015 21:35:05 GMT -5
Time for a new one
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 24, 2015 21:42:58 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 24, 2015 22:20:51 GMT -5
I'm going the other way: Mets in 5, because for one, I'm a Mets fan, and two, I have tickets to Game 5.
In all seriousness, the Mets have a better lineup and rotation. The Royals have better defense, team speed, and bullpen (though Familia is probably the single best reliever between the two teams). While the Royals, the opposite of the Cubs, hit 95+ mph fastballs better than any other team, I think the Mets' pitchers have too much movement and too many good secondary offerings for it to offset their talents.
Either way, this is a really tough series to project. I'll say the Series has two big x-factors, one from each team: Jacob deGrom and Johnny Cueto.
With deGrom, he's 3-0 this postseason, and his first start vs. LA was one for the ages, one of the single best starts in Mets postseason history. However, in his last two starts he's lacked command of his secondary offerings, leading to struggles in LA and Chicago; it's a testament to his talents that he still came out on top both times, and gutted his way to 7 innings, 2 run outings with a good K/BB ratio each time, but the Royals are a different beast, and they'll feed off him if his command isn't there. Hopefully the extra time off here helps him heal up and harness his stuff to its best level.
Cueto is a huge wild card given how inconsistent he's been with KC since they acquired him, so he's got huge meltdown potential. However, everybody saw how easily he handled the Astros in his biggest start of the year, so it's not a given he won't have his stuff together and pitch some gems. If he's on, then KC's pitching can at least stand up to the Mets; if he's not, it's a huge NY advantage.
So yeah, I'll say deGrom and Cueto will play key roles in determining the overall outcome.
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Post by Pensacola Tableheads on Oct 24, 2015 22:22:00 GMT -5
Royals sweep it. That's my pick.
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 24, 2015 22:24:19 GMT -5
Wonder if anyone had Royals/Mets at the start of the year
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 22:26:14 GMT -5
Mets in 5.
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 24, 2015 22:29:28 GMT -5
Royals can be the beatdown club for u Akeem lol
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Post by kevin on Oct 24, 2015 23:28:15 GMT -5
I think Royals in 6. The Mets are a very good team but I think the Royals are better. Game one will be telling. I don't trust Cueto but Harvey felt like he should have shut down earlier in the year and so I am hoping he has a bad mindset and is worse than usual.
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Post by Waffel113 on Oct 24, 2015 23:29:33 GMT -5
Mets in 6.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Oct 24, 2015 23:59:45 GMT -5
Mets in 6
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Post by Sam Punk on Oct 25, 2015 0:38:37 GMT -5
Royals in 7
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 25, 2015 5:45:29 GMT -5
I think Royals in 6. The Mets are a very good team but I think the Royals are better. Game one will be telling. I don't trust Cueto but Harvey felt like he should have shut down earlier in the year and so I am hoping he has a bad mindset and is worse than usual. Harvey's been super dominant since August or so. Unless the long layoff between NLCS Game 1 and World Series Game 1 adversely effects him (possible, but he's throwing a simulated game in between, I believe, to stay sharp), that isn't likely.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Oct 25, 2015 6:21:54 GMT -5
5 Years ago, if you told me that the Royals and Mets would be in the WS, I would have died from laughter, that being said while I don't mind either team winning, I am routing for the Royals in 6.
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Post by Palmer on Oct 25, 2015 6:47:10 GMT -5
I think Mets in 7. Hope it's a Damn good series either way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 11:33:52 GMT -5
Mets in 6
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Post by Cyno on Oct 25, 2015 11:59:55 GMT -5
I'll go with Mets in 6.
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Post by unc40 on Oct 25, 2015 13:36:28 GMT -5
Mets in 6.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 17:35:57 GMT -5
Mets sweep. Why? Here's why: -Starting pitching has been fantastic. Yes, deGrom hasn't been sharp his last starts but that doesn't seem to have mattered to him. The Harvey limit stuff is horseshit, Thor is unstoppable, and Matz while the weakest, has shown how good his stuff can be. -The Mets bullpen is just as good as the Royals. Familia of course has been the hottest reliever but look at the other guys: *Addison Reed: Has not walked anyone. Only run allowed was "that Dodgers game" which I don't count. *Tyler Clippard: Has not been sharp but got out of jams the last two games plus was unhittable as recently as August. I think he will get better this series. *Bartolo Colon: His only bad inning was also in "that game." Has looked great in spite of that appearance. *Jon Niese: Mets have interestingly been using him as a specialist and he's gotten his only two batters out, including a huge one in the Cubs series just hours after hearing his Grandmother died. *Hansel Robles and Sean Gilmartin: These guys haven't appeared yet but both are VERY good. In fact, Gilmartin was arguably the Mets best non Familia reliever this season. Also had a good spot start at the end of the season. -Offense: Even if Yo is playing hurt, the Mets still have a ton of hot hitters including Murphy (duh), Granderson, and d'Arnaud with Duda and Wright looking like they are heating up. Yes, the bench could be better (MISS YA URIBE) but the Mets haven't really needed to rely on it which is great. -Defense: A very underrated aspect to the Mets success: d'Arnaud: Not the best pitch caller but solid defensively and an elite framer. Duda: Wanna know a secret? Lucas is one of the best defenders on the team. Great at digging balls out of the dirt. Murphy: Amazingly has only made one weird miscue this series. FINGERS CROSSED! Flores: Still has a terrible arm and crap range but has made some tough plays including the jumping catch against the Cubs. Conforto: Hasn't really had many chances but showed in the regular season he can field. Cespedes: While not Lagares level, Yo has one of the better arms in the game. Several have tested him and only one really made it. Granderson: Grandy is fine as long as he doesn't have to a base other than first However, he is league average in most other aspects. So yeah, again Mets will sweep.
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Post by BRV on Oct 25, 2015 20:10:55 GMT -5
I think the Mets' starting pitching carries them to a championship but I'm pulling for the Royals. And that's nothing against Mets fans, but it's partially a Boston/New York thing and I just think Royals fans deserve it after having suffered through supporting a franchise that has only four winning seasons in the last 20 years, three of which have come in the last three years.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 25, 2015 21:15:19 GMT -5
The big advantage that I think the Mets have is that they can beat the Royals "straight up", as it were; again, New York has the superior lineup and starting rotation, so I wouldn't be shocked to see, for example, the Mets score 4 runs off a given KC starter and then have their starters hold the fort until Familia and company can hammer things down. The Royals, on the other hand, might need to get things into a situation where they force the Mets to play the game the way KC prefers; KC has the definitive advantage when it comes to team speed (though not necessarily base running), defense, and their bullpen (though not as big an advantage as it would've been with last year's KC pen), so that would likely entail keeping things close and needing five-and-dives from their starters, which may be a dangerous game to play. The lack of Morales in their lineup at Citi Field will also be key.
Still, the Royals' key superpower is how they manage to properly deploy their defense, use their 'pen, and somehow worship at the altar of the BABIP gods with inexplicably great results. They just know how to make contact, and they're not afraid to face some of the league's best pitchers; for 2015, they have solid marks when facing some of the best the AL has to offer, from Price, to Keuchel, to Sale, to King Felix, etc., because despite the fact that they don't walk, they just keep fouling pitches off until they manage to pounce on a mistake pitch. I'm fascinated to see if they can keep up with the Mets' pitchers and their stuff, or if their lack of familiarity becomes a factor. If the Royals can throw the Mets' starters off their games just enough, then they'll always have a shot. The Mets' have really solid defense in most positions, but against a high-contact/high-BABIP team like Kansas City, Daniel Murphy and Wilmer Flores are not the first guys you really want to see out there trying to cut off their "death by singles" strategy, so hopefully the Mets' rotation keeps up the high K rate.
Again, though, digging even more through the numbers, Harvey thrives with extra rest and deGrom has now gotten a bit of an extended break, which he sorely needed, plus they get Syndergaard/Matz/Harvey at Citi Field when Morales won't be in the starting lineup. I know I'm completely biased, but I just feel the Mets have the advantage here; lots of people have spent late September and October looking past the fact that the Mets have been one of the best, most complete teams in baseball since July, and that hasn't changed; hell, if Utley doesn't break Tejada's leg in Game 2 of the NLDS, there's every chance the Mets would've swept both NL series.
However, I refuse to downplay the abilities of the Royals; their BABIP seems to be insane luck, but it's hard to replicate these results for two straight postseasons like this, so there's something more going on. If Ventura and Cueto pitch at their best, then it potentially becomes a battle of bullpens; the Mets do have better middle relief than some think, but I fear that a high-contact pitcher like Colon might not be as effective against Kansas City as he was against the Cubs and Dodgers, so in those situations it's advantage Royals...plus, in case of close games, their superlative defense could definitely make the difference.
I'm still going to roll with Mets in 5, but I could see almost any combination of outcomes being totally realistic, here.
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