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Post by Dub H on Oct 26, 2015 10:19:34 GMT -5
So the big pay off was......Alberto Del Rio. Yep, not Owens, or Cesaro, or Neville. Alberto. Del. Rio *sighs* I just expected WWE to f*** up everything interesting.That way when I read these things it is just the usual. the moral,never trust the WWE
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 10:21:12 GMT -5
They have the most dynamic performers on the PRE-SHOW and bring in a guy who quit a year ago (A YEAR ago, he wasn't even gone that long so it was THAT shocking of a return) to beat Cena clean. I've never seen a company so afraid to actually build new stars in all my life.
Even sadder is that WWE has shown that they have zero clue how to make Del Rio interesting. Everywhere else he performed he was amazing to watch. In WWE they make him a chore to sit through.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 10:21:35 GMT -5
Or they could just go with "Cena defended the title weekly in barnburners and took so much punishment, and it caught up to him physically." There's an easy story to tell, they just have to choose to tell it. That's the exact route I would take. The collective toll of his weekly challenges chipped away at him, and he fell prey to a dangerous former champion He's been wrestling pretty differently the last month, thinking about it. He's been selling a lot, the matches have been slower paced. I was wondering if he really is banged up, or in a weird mood and phoning it in a bit. Or, this has been planned for a little bit, and it was subtle foreshadowing. Again, they have to f***ing tell the story. If so, it'd be quite good.
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Post by MrElijah on Oct 26, 2015 10:37:48 GMT -5
to that young fresh up-and-coming 38 year old Mexican Jeff Jarrett If Alberto Del Patron start hitting fools with Guitars, I'll mark.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Oct 26, 2015 10:38:43 GMT -5
Everything about this feels wrong, and I say that as someone who loves Alberto as a talent.
One, Alberto is back in WWE who will book him like garbage again. Two, he beats John Cena clean in an afterthought US Title match showing once again that WWE has no confidence in their roster, of their own doing. Three, as soon as Cena is back, he's getting the title back.
And most importantly, no more El Patron in Lucha Underground.
This is all so, so wrong.
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Post by Lazy peon on Oct 26, 2015 10:58:28 GMT -5
John Cena, after all these long ass matches where he kicks out of a million moves, lost in 8 minutes to Carlito's finisher and a Superkick. Who the f*** gets beat by a single Superkick in 2015? That's a huge part of why this is so disappointing, not only did he lose to someone who's already been inexplicably pushed to the moon several times instead a newer guy, but it's like he didn't even put up a fight. One long grueling match after another where he kicks out of a million huge moves, only to lose quickly to one superkick and that's it. ...At least it wasn't Big Show.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Oct 26, 2015 11:04:19 GMT -5
to that young fresh up-and-coming 38 year old Mexican Jeff Jarrett If Alberto Del Patron start hitting fools with Guitars, I'll mark.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Oct 26, 2015 11:09:23 GMT -5
It doesn't matter that John lost to Del Rio if he and Zeb keep the Open Challenge going. Too soon to say as RAW hasn't aired yet, but if they let Zayn or someone else from NXT get the Title next they can get just as much of a rub. Thing it though, if they do keep the Open Challenge then Del Rio needs to keep winning at least until Royal Rumble for this to be pulled off.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 26, 2015 11:20:04 GMT -5
Man, that was a quick turnaround on Del Rio. I was lurking here when he got canned, and all I heard about was "What a great, underutilized talent this..." and "Tearing down the house in ROH that..." and now that he's back, we're back to "Mexican Sheamus" in under 24 hours. Crazy times.
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Post by tms on Oct 26, 2015 11:26:42 GMT -5
So now people are complaining that someone lost to a single (albeit rarely used secondary) finisher?
I like that. Infinitely preferable to the precedent set by Michaels and Taker where everyone swaps finishers, the opponent kicks out, the guy whose finisher was just kicked out of makes a "shocked" face, they lay around on the mat looking off into space for a good long while, wash, rinse, repeat.
And besides, ADR needs a protected knockout style finisher since the likes of Taker, Cena, and Lesnar (among others) rarely or never tap out to submissions. Would have preferred his backstabber, but oh well.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 26, 2015 11:30:34 GMT -5
WWE never learn.
They have so much new talent that would have greatly benefitted from a high profile title win over Cena, so what do they do? They bring back a Local Man and put him over instead.
It's bewildering. I can easily imagine Vince and his sycophants sitting around a table and he says "hmm, our ratings are in the shitter....what....do....we....do?......I know....ALBERTO!!!!!!"
While everyone else nods in agreement while looking at each other nervously.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Oct 26, 2015 11:45:48 GMT -5
WWE never learn. They have so much new talent that would have greatly benefitted from a high profile title win over Cena, so what do they do? They bring back a Local Man and put him over instead. It's bewildering. I can easily imagine Vince and his sycophants sitting around a table and he says "hmm, our ratings are in the shitter....what....do....we....do?......I know....ALBERTO!!!!!!" While everyone else nods in agreement while looking at each other nervously. They have a lot invested in Alberto, hoping he can appeal to a Latino fanbase. If you're going to sign Alberto, having him beat Cena for a title on his first night back is an ideal way to make his return a bigger deal. Whether WWE can sustain that momentum and whether Alberto is a success for WWE are other issues. They tried making the former Mistico their next big Latino star. He failed. Then they tried Alberto. He did much better than the former Mistico. WWE really didn't want to fire Alberto when they did, but legally felt they had to fire him.
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Post by mhamm05 on Oct 26, 2015 11:57:07 GMT -5
What a piss poor job by the announcers, haha. John Cena, after all these long ass matches where he kicks out of a million moves, lost in 8 minutes to Carlito's finisher and a Superkick. Who the f*** gets beat by a single Superkick in 2015? Yet, the significance of that wasn't even clear to me at first because the announcers glanced over it. Isn't that what you goofballs are there for? To highlight these kinds of stories and to point out why something is supposed to be shocking? Obviously, Cena losing clean is news in and of itself but for him to lose in this fashion should have been hyped up way more. I'm wondering if they try a concussion angle or something to explain Cena's absence. Getting caught with the superkick and losing was strange, but if they follow it up with an angle like that, it puts the Del Rio's kick over huge and makes more sense out of the finish. Or they could just go with "Cena defended the title weekly in barnburners and took so much punishment, and it caught up to him physically." There's an easy story to tell, they just have to choose to tell it. These both make sense. No chance either will happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 12:02:36 GMT -5
WWE never learn. They have so much new talent that would have greatly benefitted from a high profile title win over Cena, so what do they do? They bring back a Local Man and put him over instead. It's bewildering. I can easily imagine Vince and his sycophants sitting around a table and he says "hmm, our ratings are in the shitter....what....do....we....do?......I know....ALBERTO!!!!!!" While everyone else nods in agreement while looking at each other nervously. They have a lot invested in Alberto, hoping he can appeal to a Latino fanbase. If you're going to sign Alberto, having him beat Cena for a title on his first night back is an ideal way to make his return a bigger deal. Whether WWE can sustain that momentum and whether Alberto is a success for WWE are other issues. They tried making the former Mistico their next big Latino star. He failed. Then they tried Alberto. He did much better than the former Mistico. WWE really didn't want to fire Alberto when they did, but legally felt they had to fire him. I don't see how Alberto's anything but a failure in that respect himself, given he never really remotely caught on with any consistency and just slowly slid down the card from a strong debut. I also don't see what possible upside he has over Kalisto other than being taller.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Oct 26, 2015 12:07:27 GMT -5
They have a lot invested in Alberto, hoping he can appeal to a Latino fanbase. If you're going to sign Alberto, having him beat Cena for a title on his first night back is an ideal way to make his return a bigger deal. Whether WWE can sustain that momentum and whether Alberto is a success for WWE are other issues. They tried making the former Mistico their next big Latino star. He failed. Then they tried Alberto. He did much better than the former Mistico. WWE really didn't want to fire Alberto when they did, but legally felt they had to fire him. I don't see how Alberto's anything but a failure in that respect himself, given he never really remotely caught on with any consistency and just slowly slid down the card from a strong debut. I also don't see what possible upside he has over Kalisto other than being taller. Mistico/Sin Cara was a failure and the Mexican fans largely saw him as someone who flopped on the main stage when he returned to Mexico. Alberto wasn't a failure, nor was he seen that way when he returned. He won both versions of WWE's world titles. Plus, he was viewed as someone who stood up to racism. When Alberto came to AAA, he was seen as a bigger star than the former Mistco (Myzteziz), even though Mistco was the biggest star in Mexico in the mid/late 2000s, while Alberto was never near that level of stardom in Mexico as Dos Caras Jr.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 12:11:01 GMT -5
I don't see how Alberto's anything but a failure in that respect himself, given he never really remotely caught on with any consistency and just slowly slid down the card from a strong debut. I also don't see what possible upside he has over Kalisto other than being taller. Mistico/Sin Cara was a failure and the Mexican fans largely saw him as someone who flopped on the main stage when he returned to Mexico. Alberto wasn't a failure, nor was he seen that way when he returned. He won both versions of WWE's world titles. Plus, he was viewed as someone who stood up to racism. When Alberto came to AAA, he was seen as a bigger star than the former Mistco (Myzteziz), even though Mistco was the biggest star in Mexico in the mid/late 2000s, while Alberto was never near that level of stardom in Mexico as Dos Caras Jr. He was a failure to be any sort of draw for WWE though. They gave him constant accolades and endlessly talked him up and yet when they tried the triumphant face turn thing it lasted all of about six months before they aborted it, and most of his time on the roster he was just slowly dwindling in terms of screentime, push, and relevance to where they largely just gave him endless pointless squash matches to kill time because he's been pushed too much to just let fall off. They tried him as their new big Latino star and it didn't work. He's very talented, but both he and WWE are made worse by associating with each other.
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Post by Cela on Oct 26, 2015 12:12:05 GMT -5
And he lost to a move Seth Rollins did twice to Kane, which didn't lead to a pinfall.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 12:14:02 GMT -5
I agree that is was weird that Super Cena who kicks out of everything lost to 2 basic moves.
Will they even explain why or mention that Cena is leaving? Or will they just ignore him until he returns to beat Del Rio 3 straight times?
As for Del Rio...it needs more Ricardo.
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Post by Raskovnik on Oct 26, 2015 12:15:19 GMT -5
Man, that was a quick turnaround on Del Rio. I was lurking here when he got canned, and all I heard about was "What a great, underutilized talent this..." and "Tearing down the house in ROH that..." and now that he's back, we're back to "Mexican Sheamus" in under 24 hours. Crazy times. It's a combination of 90% of the people only watching WWE and only liking things in hindsight.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Oct 26, 2015 12:15:36 GMT -5
Mistico/Sin Cara was a failure and the Mexican fans largely saw him as someone who flopped on the main stage when he returned to Mexico. Alberto wasn't a failure, nor was he seen that way when he returned. He won both versions of WWE's world titles. Plus, he was viewed as someone who stood up to racism. When Alberto came to AAA, he was seen as a bigger star than the former Mistco (Myzteziz), even though Mistco was the biggest star in Mexico in the mid/late 2000s, while Alberto was never near that level of stardom in Mexico as Dos Caras Jr. He was a failure to be any sort of draw for WWE though. They gave him constant accolades and endlessly talked him up and yet when they tried the triumphant face turn thing it lasted all of about six months before they aborted it, and most of his time on the roster he was just slowly dwindling in terms of screentime, push, and relevance to where they largely just gave him endless pointless squash matches to kill time because he's been pushed too much to just let fall off. They tried him as their new big Latino star and it didn't work. He's very talented, but both he and WWE are made worse by associating with each other. We're in an era where Cena is pretty much the only actual draw. The brand itself, especially the WrestleMania name, is the draw. I believe I stated that Mistico failed, and the Alberto did much better than Mistico. I wasn't saying that Alberto was a blowaway success, just noting that he did better than Mistico and that they never wanted to fire him in the first place. If they really want to have a Mexican or Latino star, he's not a bad choice. Perhaps eventually they could look at bringing in someone like Rush or La Sombra, and even bringing Rey back (obviously he's not a longterm answer).
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