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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Oct 26, 2015 12:18:16 GMT -5
Cesaro, Bray Wyatt, Dolph Ziggler, Big E, Neville, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayne, King Barrett, Stardust, Dean Ambrose, Zack Ryder, and Russev; At some point someone said no to each one of these people getting the big rub from beating Cena clean.
It was decided, To bump those ratings back into attitude era levels, That the obvious choice, Was............. Alberto Del Rio.
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Post by Old Baby on Oct 26, 2015 12:20:15 GMT -5
Mistico/Sin Cara was a failure and the Mexican fans largely saw him as someone who flopped on the main stage when he returned to Mexico. Alberto wasn't a failure, nor was he seen that way when he returned. He won both versions of WWE's world titles. Plus, he was viewed as someone who stood up to racism. When Alberto came to AAA, he was seen as a bigger star than the former Mistco (Myzteziz), even though Mistco was the biggest star in Mexico in the mid/late 2000s, while Alberto was never near that level of stardom in Mexico as Dos Caras Jr. He was a failure to be any sort of draw for WWE though. They gave him constant accolades and endlessly talked him up and yet when they tried the triumphant face turn thing it lasted all of about six months before they aborted it, and most of his time on the roster he was just slowly dwindling in terms of screentime, push, and relevance to where they largely just gave him endless pointless squash matches to kill time because he's been pushed too much to just let fall off. They tried him as their new big Latino star and it didn't work. He's very talented, but both he and WWE are made worse by associating with each other. Speaking for myself, I thought he was great until they turned him face and then I lost interest in him completely. I compare it to if they turned Ted DiBiase babyface in 1989 and swapped out his Million $ Man gimmick for "clean cut white guy". Just, why? At this point I don't think the audience's lack of interest in any one particular talent is necessarily that talent's fault. It has as much to do with the inconsistency in the storytelling. When there's no consistency in the characters or in the pushes you end up with a huge sprawling midcard of directionless characters that no one really cares about.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 12:20:54 GMT -5
Man, that was a quick turnaround on Del Rio. I was lurking here when he got canned, and all I heard about was "What a great, underutilized talent this..." and "Tearing down the house in ROH that..." and now that he's back, we're back to "Mexican Sheamus" in under 24 hours. Crazy times. It's a combination of 90% of the people only watching WWE and only liking things in hindsight. For me it's the fact that while I liked him a lot in ROH, I've seen how WWE books him, I've seen how much he phones it in in WWE compared to elsewhere, and I've seen how WWE seems to persistently book to showcase performers' weaknesses even more now than they were doing a year ago.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Oct 26, 2015 12:23:05 GMT -5
Thought they may go with a "Cena refused to tap in the armbar, so Del Rio broke it" to write him off... The thing is, I don't think they want Del Rio to be a heel. If he was meant to be a heel, they probably would've went with that route. If you had good writers, you could get around that. Act like Del Rio didn't want to do break the arm, but since Cena wouldn't give up, he was left with no choice. Hell, maybe even have him vow not to use it since he now knows just how dangerous it is, and let that lead into the superkick being his new finish.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 26, 2015 12:28:21 GMT -5
Man, that was a quick turnaround on Del Rio. I was lurking here when he got canned, and all I heard about was "What a great, underutilized talent this..." and "Tearing down the house in ROH that..." and now that he's back, we're back to "Mexican Sheamus" in under 24 hours. Crazy times. It's a combination of 90% of the people only watching WWE and only liking things in hindsight. Or maybe people wanted him to keep doing stuff elsewhere, where he was enjoyable. Most of the posts I've seen about Del Rio being a great talent given a crap hand didn't talk about him being 'underutilized', but being written with a terrible character and a lot of meaningless, sustained accolades he wasn't over enough for. And what people are worried about is that WWE isn't going to change anything about how he was written because the writing for everybody is shithouse right now. Enjoying his work more in other companies is exactly why I'm not excited about him coming back.
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Post by Raskovnik on Oct 26, 2015 12:34:12 GMT -5
It's a combination of 90% of the people only watching WWE and only liking things in hindsight. Or maybe people wanted him to keep doing stuff elsewhere, where he was enjoyable. Most of the posts I've seen about Del Rio being a great talent given a crap hand didn't talk about him being 'underutilized', but being written with a terrible character and a lot of meaningless, sustained accolades he wasn't over enough for. And what people are worried about is that WWE isn't going to change anything about how he was written because the writing for everybody is shithouse right now. Enjoying his work more in other companies is exactly why I'm not excited about him coming back. Not arguing that at all. Just saying that's how I perceive most of the backlash, not all of it. I'm not really stoked about his return either.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 26, 2015 14:20:38 GMT -5
WWE never learn. They have so much new talent that would have greatly benefitted from a high profile title win over Cena, so what do they do? They bring back a Local Man and put him over instead. It's bewildering. I can easily imagine Vince and his sycophants sitting around a table and he says "hmm, our ratings are in the shitter....what....do....we....do?......I know....ALBERTO!!!!!!" While everyone else nods in agreement while looking at each other nervously. They have a lot invested in Alberto, hoping he can appeal to a Latino fanbase. If you're going to sign Alberto, having him beat Cena for a title on his first night back is an ideal way to make his return a bigger deal. Whether WWE can sustain that momentum and whether Alberto is a success for WWE are other issues. They tried making the former Mistico their next big Latino star. He failed. Then they tried Alberto. He did much better than the former Mistico. WWE really didn't want to fire Alberto when they did, but legally felt they had to fire him. Yes, he did better than a guy who never spoke. That's not much of a surprise. But he's not going to be their big Latino star. He's too boring.
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Post by lionheart21 on Oct 26, 2015 14:22:09 GMT -5
I just can't wait for the Mark Remark to see how Martin reacts to Cena losing to a superkick. "Oh whats that? Cena jobbed out to a superkick? From a returning Alberto Del Rio? You're f***ing lying!"
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Oct 26, 2015 14:25:02 GMT -5
They have a lot invested in Alberto, hoping he can appeal to a Latino fanbase. If you're going to sign Alberto, having him beat Cena for a title on his first night back is an ideal way to make his return a bigger deal. Whether WWE can sustain that momentum and whether Alberto is a success for WWE are other issues. They tried making the former Mistico their next big Latino star. He failed. Then they tried Alberto. He did much better than the former Mistico. WWE really didn't want to fire Alberto when they did, but legally felt they had to fire him. Yes, he did better than a guy who never spoke. That's not much of a surprise. But he's not going to be their big Latino star. He's too boring. AAA and Lucha Underground figured out. Vince and his monkeys at typewriters are just goofs.
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Post by JTH on Oct 26, 2015 14:33:04 GMT -5
Just start to imagine if he ends up like Undertaker, who's been main eventing PPVs since 1991, all the way to 2015. 24 year span
John Cena should main event from 2005 all the way to 2029.
Let's get an Undertaker run for John Cena, only 14 more years of main eventing to go!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 26, 2015 14:40:22 GMT -5
What a piss poor job by the announcers, haha. John Cena, after all these long ass matches where he kicks out of a million moves, lost in 8 minutes to Carlito's finisher and a Superkick. Who the f*** gets beat by a single Superkick in 2015? Yet, the significance of that wasn't even clear to me at first because the announcers glanced over it. Isn't that what you goofballs are there for? To highlight these kinds of stories and to point out why something is supposed to be shocking? Obviously, Cena losing clean is news in and of itself but for him to lose in this fashion should have been hyped up way more. Alberto's Superkick > Superkick Party
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Post by -Lithium- on Oct 26, 2015 18:38:26 GMT -5
The main thing I took from it is I think he should've tapped. Would've been a more memorable, less what-the-hell ending, and it'd be a good way to both write him out and provide him with a good story when he comes back, him stepping away due to now doubting himself then coming back refocused. Thought they may go with a "Cena refused to tap in the armbar, so Del Rio broke it" to write him off... Not only would that make it memorable, but it would give Cena a reason to actually tap out in the future. He could say he didn't give up cause he couldn't take the pain, but because he didn't want to miss MONTHS of the last few years of his full time career due to something as dumb as his own pride. Then the next time hes in a submission hold after that, there's some tension as we've seen him tap out in the past...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 18:42:13 GMT -5
Just start to imagine if he ends up like Undertaker, who's been main eventing PPVs since 1991, all the way to 2015. 24 year span John Cena should main event from 2005 all the way to 2029. Let's get an Undertaker run for John Cena, only 14 more years of main eventing to go! With the history of injuries he's had there is no earthly way Cena's going to be around that long. And it seems like he knows it between them scaling back his role and him doing more and more outside-WWE work.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 26, 2015 20:50:11 GMT -5
Man, that was a quick turnaround on Del Rio. I was lurking here when he got canned, and all I heard about was "What a great, underutilized talent this..." and "Tearing down the house in ROH that..." and now that he's back, we're back to "Mexican Sheamus" in under 24 hours. Crazy times. I like you every where else where I can't see you but when you on my screen in WWE your shit. That's about the gist of it. Del Rio is a underutilized talent and when motivated can work really well but people are seeing the old "destiny del rio" or getting bad memories of him vs Sheamus x1000.
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Post by Chiral on Oct 26, 2015 21:08:07 GMT -5
Even weirder with Lawler trying to make the other announcers be quiet by saying "It's okay." Like REALLY selling the moment there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 22:12:41 GMT -5
Man, that was a quick turnaround on Del Rio. I was lurking here when he got canned, and all I heard about was "What a great, underutilized talent this..." and "Tearing down the house in ROH that..." and now that he's back, we're back to "Mexican Sheamus" in under 24 hours. Crazy times. I'm kind of the opposite. I wasn't too broken up that he was gone, though I hated the circumstances in which he was fired. But now that he's back, I'm really glad. Absence made the heart grow fonder for me.
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