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Post by eJm on Jul 24, 2019 9:59:49 GMT -5
I liked Season One because I liked how it felt different from a typical Star Trek show but REALLY enjoyed Season Two for being exactly like a Star Trek show. And yeah, count me in the Anson Mount fanclub. Dude killed it as Pike and if there's more Pike episodes (and there's a couple of Short Treks coming up with that crew) I'm down for watching them. Yeah, and after the Kelvinverse movies (2 of which I love, one not so much) I was kinda looking for something that felt a little more TNG. It had a lot of good, but also tried too hard to say “We ain’t your dad’s Star Trek!!!!” For my liking. Season 2 corrected most of that. And I would absolutely love to see a series or mini series focusing on Cage and the Enterprise. Absolutely fantastic Yeah, I can see that and I don't blame you since there were moments like that. It just didn't get me that way like it did others. But I also appreciated that the course correction, for me, wasn't "Hey, we made a mistake, come back Trekkies!" but still kept the stuff that was good about Season One but...well, making it more like Star Trek. Just with a background story that leads to a pretty crazy finale.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Jul 26, 2019 9:00:53 GMT -5
I have to ask, 1000 years in the future do they have the medical technology to remove that thing from Tilly's forehead?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 3, 2020 21:22:29 GMT -5
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Post by Muskrat on Mar 3, 2020 23:17:28 GMT -5
5th?!? F*** me, it’s still a few months at least until the 3rd airs. They’re clearly making some damn good money with international rights, Picard was already renewed through Season 3 before it launched and now this.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 3, 2020 23:26:37 GMT -5
5th?!? F*** me, it’s still a few months at least until the 3rd airs. They’re clearly making some damn good money with international rights, Picard was already renewed through Season 3 before it launched and now this. IIRC, the deal with Netflix involved Netflix fronting the production costs for up to five seasons, so it's really no surprise CBS have renewed. They've got five seasons of a show that was keeping All Access afloat largely by itself (until Picard launched, obviously) and haven't had to pay a penny towards the most expensive part of the process. The real question is whether it'll go beyond five seasons. Netflix traditionally don't tend to financially commit to shows more than 3-4 seasons, and with Picard already going at least three seasons, the Section 31 series on the way, and heavy rumours of a Captain Pike show in the pipeline I expect Discovery to finish up to prevent franchise burn out.
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Post by Muskrat on Mar 3, 2020 23:42:21 GMT -5
5th?!? F*** me, it’s still a few months at least until the 3rd airs. They’re clearly making some damn good money with international rights, Picard was already renewed through Season 3 before it launched and now this. IIRC, the deal with Netflix involved Netflix fronting the production costs for up to five seasons, so it's really no surprise CBS have renewed. They've got five seasons of a show that was keeping All Access afloat largely by itself (until Picard launched, obviously) and haven't had to pay a penny towards the most expensive part of the process. The real question is whether it'll go beyond five seasons. Netflix traditionally don't tend to financially commit to shows more than 3-4 seasons, and with Picard already going at least three seasons, the Section 31 series on the way, and heavy rumours of a Captain Pike show in the pipeline I expect Discovery to finish up to prevent franchise burn out. Well, that explains a lot then. Didn’t realise Netflix ponied up that much cash up front.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 4, 2020 0:23:54 GMT -5
Well, that explains a lot then. Didn’t realise Netflix ponied up that much cash up front. I believe there were some clauses giving Netflix an out should viewing figures not hit certain targets, but the continuing existence of the show suggests those targets are being met. CBS set up a similar deal with Amazon for Picard, if I'm not mistaken, which would explain why the third season has been given the green light before the second has even begun development. While CBS All Access still seems questionable, nobody can deny CBS have done some very smart business for these shows. Right now I think the only show they've funded directly themselves is Below Decks, but being animated that's not going to have a fraction of the budget of the live-action shows.
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Post by thechase on Jul 27, 2020 11:19:44 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Aug 26, 2020 15:49:41 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Sept 2, 2020 14:21:55 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Sept 2, 2020 14:28:13 GMT -5
Trill seem like such a interesting race to play around with gender and sexual identities because of the relationship between host and symbiote. Like Jadzia and Ezri were both women, but the Dax symbiote was male.
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Post by Larryhausen on Sept 2, 2020 19:50:17 GMT -5
Trill seem like such a interesting race to play around with gender and sexual identities because of the relationship between host and symbiote. Like Jadzia and Ezri were both women, but the Dax symbiote was male. I'm fairly sure the symbionts are asexual, and some hosts just imprint their experiences stronger than others.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 19:53:00 GMT -5
Given it took this franchise 50 years to recognize that non-straight people exist outside of the Mirror Universe that's pretty rich.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 2, 2020 20:04:06 GMT -5
Given it took this franchise 50 years to recognize that non-straight people exist outside of the Mirror Universe that's pretty rich. A lot of this was due to network and affiliate pressure not to do it. Like they originally wanted a member of the Voyager crew to be gay, but UPN pushed back hard on it. Though apparently Berman and co. didn't exactly fight much for it and that's on them not pushing for it.
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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 2, 2020 20:10:02 GMT -5
What hurt things for a while that both Roddenberry and Berman were never big on the idea. David Gerrold (writer of the Trouble with Troubles and the TNG Bible) was trying to feature a TNG episode with a gay couple as early as 1987. Roddenberry (or possibly his lawyer/proxy Leaonard Mazelish) essentially put the kibosh on it. That and various other factors caused him to quit, and Berman's insistence on maintaining a relatively safe status quo essentially meant it took till Discovery to get a full blown gay character that wasn't just implied or being done via extenuating circumstances like Jadzia.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Sept 2, 2020 20:30:41 GMT -5
I read that the Star Trek book series had a gay character in the mid 00s, but I never knew if that was true.
Ira Steven Behr has said he envisioned Jadzia Dax as being at the very least bisexual. A Trill character would be such a fascinating vehicle to explore questions of sexuality and gender.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 2, 2020 20:41:10 GMT -5
I read that the Star Trek book series had a gay character in the mid 00s, but I never knew if that was true. Ira Steven Behr has said he envisioned Jadzia Dax as being at the very least bisexual. A Trill character would be such a fascinating vehicle to explore questions of sexuality and gender. Makes sense since she did have a romance with a woman, as the symbionts' past hosts were married. And the whole taboo about re-association in Trill society felt like a metaphor for homophobia. Also thought it was significant that Kira was one of the characters who didn't think much of that stigma and supported Jadzia and Lenara's romance, as she was a very religious character. It felt like a way of saying that religious beliefs were no excuse for bigotry. And for his part, Andrew Robinson headcanoned his character of Garak as pansexual.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 2, 2020 20:49:46 GMT -5
A lot of this was due to network and affiliate pressure not to do it. Like they originally wanted a member of the Voyager crew to be gay, but UPN pushed back hard on it. Though apparently Berman and co. didn't exactly fight much for it and that's on them not pushing for it. IIRC that was supposed to be Seven of Nine, who had gained a significant following in the LGBT community and was the subject of a petition to have her come out as gay, which at least a couple of the writers pushed for. Of course, it's since been hinted in Picard that she is at least bisexual, and there's rumour of further developments in the second season.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Sept 2, 2020 20:50:23 GMT -5
I read that the Star Trek book series had a gay character in the mid 00s, but I never knew if that was true. Ira Steven Behr has said he envisioned Jadzia Dax as being at the very least bisexual. A Trill character would be such a fascinating vehicle to explore questions of sexuality and gender. Makes sense since she did have a romance with a woman, as the symbionts' past hosts were married. And the whole taboo about re-association in Trill society felt like a metaphor for homophobia. Also thought it was significant that Kira was one of the characters who didn't think much of that stigma and supported Jadzia and Lenara's romance, as she was a very religious character. It felt like a way of saying that religious beliefs were no excuse for bigotry. And for his part, Andrew Robinson headcanoned his character of Garak as pansexual. Hah, I forgot all about Andrew Robinson. I think he blatantly admitted to playing Garak that way in his first appearance, and was told to tone it down. I think Kira's stance was reflective of Star Trek always tip toeing regarding Bajorans being religious versus being spiritual.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 2, 2020 20:53:45 GMT -5
Hah, I forgot all about Andrew Robinson. I think he blatantly admitted to playing Garak that way in his first appearance, and was told to tone it down. I mean, Garak is blatantly giving Bashir f*** eyes in the scene where they first meet.
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