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Post by Glitch on Nov 3, 2015 5:15:02 GMT -5
Because it's one of those random thoughts moments.
If the Empire of Japan was in a odd situation because they imported like 90% of their oil from America, why didn't they fight along with Germany against the soviets?(and get oil from Russian oil fields) I mean, technically Siberia didn't have anything Japan wanted, but the Germans would have been able to capture Russian oil fields better on their side, and sold that resource to Japan.
I didn't feel like doing the research on why, so have at it FAN!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 6:56:54 GMT -5
I've never understood why asians would team up with white supremacists.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Nov 3, 2015 7:30:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure Japan even had the resources to drill and transport oil all the way to Japan. I also don't think they trusted Germany to honour any contract considering how well it turned out when they promised Russia they totally wouldn't invade Poland. Also, I don't think Japan was dumb enough to think attacking Russia directly was a good idea.
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Post by BorneAgain on Nov 3, 2015 7:34:28 GMT -5
From what I understand Japan's navy was considered stronger than its army, and logistically, a land offensive against Russia was very tricky to do. The Soviets kept a strong amount of troops in the east, had much quicker supply lines on land in the area than the Japanese could manage by air or sea, and previous skirmishes in 1939 went terrible for the Japanese against Russian forces. American naval targets were considered easier to defeat and to deal with in direct combat.
Their best chance for any sort of move on Soviet territory was between the non-aggression pact being broken in June 1941 and before Pearl Harbor. The Japanese were in no hurry to fight on two fronts and possibility of taking advantage of a weakened Russian state was shattered when the Stalin's forces beat the Nazis back away from Moscow. If the German armies (arguably the most efficient military entity on the planet at that point) couldn't topple the Soviet Union in six months, there was no way the Japanese could.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 3, 2015 7:38:54 GMT -5
"We shall march into Siberia and claim victory!" said no army ever.
I know that's not entirely true, but I'm not going to let reality get in the way of a bad joke.
Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen that strategy even work in playing RISK either.
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 3, 2015 8:17:14 GMT -5
No one knew there was abundant oil in Siberia at the time, drilling there didn't start until the late 20th century. Russia got most of its oil from the Caucasus and from Europe. Japan allied with Germany and Italy on paper-none of them really trusted or even liked each other all that much. But they had mutual concerns about Russia and about some of the other European powers (Britain, Netherlands), so it suited their mutual purposes to at least pretend to be closely allied. The Japanese had already suffered some ugly defeats by Russia in a previous border conflict, so they were not interested in a repeat. They also actually regarded the possibility of war between Germany and Russia as unlikely after the German-Soviet neutrality treaty, which is why they signed one of their own with Russia afterward.
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Post by Joker on Nov 3, 2015 8:23:10 GMT -5
Siberia may have oil, but it has very little else and to support an army you need a supply chain of food, water & equipment which Japan just didn't have. Plus the fact China was in the way.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 3, 2015 8:46:58 GMT -5
They didn't want to fall for one of the classic blunders, never get involved in a land war in Asia.
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Post by Gremlin on Nov 3, 2015 9:26:58 GMT -5
In 1939, Russia and Japan had a brief war over Mongolian borders. In 1941, they signed the Soviet-Japanese Neutrality Pact. Japan honored this pact even through WWII. Russia declared war on Japan after Nazi Germany surrendered.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Nov 3, 2015 9:58:51 GMT -5
'Cause, 'murica, that's why!
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 3, 2015 10:11:11 GMT -5
They had fought Russia plenty enough to know it wasn't easy, and they were much more interested in trying to secure as much territory as they could in the Pacific theater. They probably couldn't have really spared any resources as it was.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Nov 3, 2015 10:35:29 GMT -5
They didn't want to fall for one of the classic blunders, never get involved in a land war in Asia. So thats why they went into SE Asia, Nanjing, Manchuria
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Post by mizerable on Nov 3, 2015 10:36:46 GMT -5
Also, I don't think Japan was dumb enough to think attacking Russia directly was a good idea. Why not? They did it 30 years before and won a pretty one-sided war with them. Granted, a lot of it had to do with Japan's navy, but they still won numerous land battles. If anything, Japan's navy was still one of the best in the world. Russia was still playing catch up in that department. All Japan needed to do was break a few treaties and they were good...and that's probably the real reason they didn't do it. The US relations weren't nearly as important long term.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Nov 3, 2015 10:43:52 GMT -5
guys, where could I find good reads online of both world wars to get a better understanding of them?
Buying books isn't an option since I don't had the money and is a bit complicated for me to buy thing in the states
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Post by mizerable on Nov 3, 2015 12:08:47 GMT -5
guys, where could I find good reads online of both world wars to get a better understanding of them? Buying books isn't an option since I don't had the money and is a bit complicated for me to buy thing in the states Try wikipedia. Seriously, that's a good start.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Nov 3, 2015 12:11:37 GMT -5
guys, where could I find good reads online of both world wars to get a better understanding of them? Buying books isn't an option since I don't had the money and is a bit complicated for me to buy thing in the states Try wikipedia. Seriously, that's a good start. Wikipedia is a good source that I read lots of times, but I had this bad habit of reading an article, and start opening more articles from there just to get a better understanding of things and covering everything Like one day I was reading about the german invasion of the USSR and somehow ended reading about the live in russia in the era of Ivan the Terrible
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 3, 2015 12:17:17 GMT -5
Also, I don't think Japan was dumb enough to think attacking Russia directly was a good idea. Why not? They did it 30 years before and won a pretty one-sided war with them. Granted, a lot of it had to do with Japan's navy, but they still won numerous land battles. If anything, Japan's navy was still one of the best in the world. Russia was still playing catch up in that department. All Japan needed to do was break a few treaties and they were good...and that's probably the real reason they didn't do it. The US relations weren't nearly as important long term. Except those victories were won in Manchuria and Korea. Trying to march into Siberia would have been s much different matter.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Nov 3, 2015 12:55:09 GMT -5
Try wikipedia. Seriously, that's a good start. Wikipedia is a good source that I read lots of times, but I had this bad habit of reading an article, and start opening more articles from there just to get a better understanding of things and covering everything Like one day I was reading about the german invasion of the USSR and somehow ended reading about the live in russia in the era of Ivan the Terrible I know that feeling. If I watch an hour long documentary it actually takes me about 6 hours to get through it because I'm constantly pausing it and reading more detailed stuff about it online Also check out youtube. There are so many interesting documentaries on there on both World Wars.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Nov 3, 2015 14:04:54 GMT -5
They didn't want to fall for one of the classic blunders, never get involved in a land war in Asia. The other was not to trust a Sicilian when death is on the line!
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 3, 2015 14:08:19 GMT -5
They didn't want to fall for one of the classic blunders, never get involved in a land war in Asia. The other was not to trust a Sicilian when death is on the line! That's probably how they got Mussolini.
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