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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 0:59:32 GMT -5
I think turning Seth face is dumber than H winning the Rumble. There is nothing likable about Seth's character at all. Why would I want to cheer him unironically?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 1:01:25 GMT -5
If they thought that Batista and Reigns got shit on by the fans, just imagine what HHH winning would do. Might be the first mass garbage throwing in WWE in a decade. This f***ing company sometimes. How on earth they think these stories are good are beyond me. What are they doing? Actively trying to become WCW? Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on the "for the belt, as a face" part. I have no problem seeing those three as being the planned top three matches, but Ambrose/Reigns would almost certainly have been for the belt, with Rollins/HHH starting after Rollins loses the title, and HHH goes after him for being a loser. No f***ing way that even WWE is that stupid to try having HHH turn face and win the Rumble in 20-goddamn-16.Yeah, they really are. Honestly just based on how night-and-day things have been since that time period, I'm kind of convinced Vince's, "Lethal dose of poison," promo was a shoot.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 6, 2015 1:02:39 GMT -5
Considering this is the same company that thought Randy Orton vs. Batista was an acceptable main event for Mania 30, I'm not so sure. At least on paper, Orton/Batista doesn't look completely stupid. They've both been top guys in the company for years, to where the #2 and #3 guys for the past decade had mostly been the two of them, along with Batista making his return, with him being in a major role in an upcoming summer blockbuster. On paper, it doesn't look too bad, it's just that how hot Bryan got made it so stupid that they tried to stick with it. HHH/Rollins, for the title, with HHH as face, at Wrestlemania, in 2016 has no justification. At all. On paper, it is a completely idiotic idea. I give WWE shit on pretty much a daily basis, but even I don't think that they are this stupid. Honestly Trips/Rollins is less stupid to me than Batista/Orton was. At least that one has an angle that can be built into their feud already in place. Batista/Orton was completely out of the blue and well past the point of anyone really caring about their brief time in Evolution together. Also Orton was so cold as champion around that time, he needed a stronger face to work off of than Big Dave.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 6, 2015 1:03:32 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I feel like Meltzer might have been fed a line of BS here. I mean, we know HHH has a huge ego, but even he would have to see how god awful an idea that would be. Not to mention that it follows the same fairy tale horror story we've seen with Triple H time and time again. Evolution lost every match with the Shield, with the exception of Seth getting counted out against Batista after a failed dive, Triple H has won like, one match in years I can even remember, and that was with him losing every single encounter with Brock outside of one, in which it was painted as basically a fluke. Triple H has an ego, but I think people can let their hate boner for the guy cloud their perception sometimes. On top of that, Rollins is one of Triple H's favorites back to NXT. I imagine he'd just as soon kill his heat as he would Finn Balór's. This is grade-A smarkbait ,with a little HHHate added to taste, the added bonus of Rollins injury meaning "I guess we'll never know".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 1:04:29 GMT -5
Hmm...what if we get...
Ambrose/Triple H Reigns/Owens (for the title as Owens is the new Golden Boy of the Authority) Lesnar/Rock
I'm wondering how things can be switched around with Rollins gone, can't be too much different.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 1:05:37 GMT -5
I think turning Seth face is dumber than H winning the Rumble. There is nothing likable about Seth's character at all. Why would I want to cheer him unironically? EDIT: Or Hunter as the face, WINNING THE RUMBLE? That would be three Rumbles in a row of bad babyface characters winning it. Seth's at least been portrayed in a sympathetic position between being overworked, constantly screwed with by the people allegedly backing him up, showing occasional signs he misses his Shield days (with how any time he's given the chance to align with the others he tends to come off as genuinely giddy over it before he puts his grumpy face back on), been largely going it alone and winning clean in the past couple of months, and constantly out to prove himself. It'd be very easy to turn him face by having him, either through personal revelation or through being betrayed when he's no longer of use to Triple H, realize the error of his ways and all the terrible things he's done and showing genuine remorse. Plus this is the same guy who's just spent a good seven months or so as champion and yet any time he dares compare himself to Triple H in any way - the guy who's supposedly picked him as the future - is run down and basically told point blank that he's an utter joke who will be killed if he ever gets the delusion he's anywhere near Triple H's level. He's honestly a very sympathetic character, even if not a very likeable one.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 6, 2015 1:05:55 GMT -5
Triple H has won like, one match in years You sure about that? Since he took on his current role/gimmick 4 years ago: Beat Punk at Night of Champions 2011 Beat Nash at Vengeance 2011 Beat Lesnar at WM29 Beat Sting at WM31 Has he lost some? Yes, but let's not pretend he hasn't put himself over either.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 6, 2015 1:07:06 GMT -5
I fully expected Hunter vs. Seth because they had been hinting at it quite well and they do not do anything remotely subtle unless it is for a reason given how scripted the shows are. But for the title? Yeah, that is really odd. I would have been down for it without the belt.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 6, 2015 1:08:05 GMT -5
Not to mention that it follows the same fairy tale horror story we've seen with Triple H time and time again. Evolution lost every match with the Shield, with the exception of Seth getting counted out against Batista after a failed dive, Triple H has won like, one match in years I can even remember, and that was with him losing every single encounter with Brock outside of one, in which it was painted as basically a fluke. Triple H has an ego, but I think people can let their hate boner for the guy cloud their perception sometimes. On top of that, Rollins is one of Triple H's favorites back to NXT. I imagine he'd just as soon kill his heat as he would Finn Balór's. This is grade-A smarkbait ,with a little HHHate added to taste, the added bonus of Rollins injury meaning "I guess we'll never know". Well Sheamus was one of Trips' boys too. They wrestled at Mania and look how that turned out. People can say it's bullshit all they want. No one can really prove otherwise. But it's not like this sort of stuff is new. Trips HAS a history of being directly involved in angles that have killed other guys momentum, it's not like people are nitpicking one or two instances and holding it against him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 1:08:29 GMT -5
Triple H has won like, one match in years You sure about that? Since he took on his current role/gimmick 4 years ago: Beat Punk at Night of Champions 2011 Beat Nash at Vengeance 2011 Beat Lesnar at WM29 Beat Sting at WM31 Has he lost some? Yes, but let's not pretend he hasn't put himself over either. And 3 of those should not have happened...
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 6, 2015 1:09:41 GMT -5
At WM, HHH also got the super heroic Terminator entrance, which really made no damn sense for a corporate heel.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 6, 2015 1:10:39 GMT -5
Triple H has won like, one match in years You sure about that? Since he took on his current role/gimmick 4 years ago: Beat Punk at Night of Champions 2011 Beat Nash at Vengeance 2011 Beat Lesnar at WM29 Beat Sting at WM31 Has he lost some? Yes, but let's not pretend he hasn't put himself over either. I was exaggerating. That said, that's still not really a whole hell of a lot, and of those, Sting and Punk are really the only egregious ones to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 1:12:38 GMT -5
At WM, HHH also got the super heroic Terminator entrance, which really made no damn sense for a corporate heel. Nah, it made even more sense when you think about it. They gotta make those sponsor deals especially with Arnie in 2K16."Sting was the preorder bonus for 2K15? Screw it, Arnie's in 2K16 and I'll double that by having a Terminator outfit. That'll show him."
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 6, 2015 1:16:15 GMT -5
I think turning Seth face is dumber than H winning the Rumble. There is nothing likable about Seth's character at all. Why would I want to cheer him unironically? EDIT: Or Hunter as the face, WINNING THE RUMBLE? That would be three Rumbles in a row of bad babyface characters winning it. Seth's at least been portrayed in a sympathetic position between being overworked, constantly screwed with by the people allegedly backing him up, showing occasional signs he misses his Shield days (with how any time he's given the chance to align with the others he tends to come off as genuinely giddy over it before he puts his grumpy face back on), been largely going it alone and winning clean in the past couple of months, and constantly out to prove himself. It'd be very easy to turn him face by having him, either through personal revelation or through being betrayed when he's no longer of use to Triple H, realize the error of his ways and all the terrible things he's done and showing genuine remorse. Plus this is the same guy who's just spent a good seven months or so as champion and yet any time he dares compare himself to Triple H in any way - the guy who's supposedly picked him as the future - is run down and basically told point blank that he's an utter joke who will be killed if he ever gets the delusion he's anywhere near Triple H's level. He's honestly a very sympathetic character, even if not a very likeable one. I find neither Hunter or Seth's characters to be likable at all. Seth is a lame champion that goes nearly 20 straight losses to 1 win, constantly complains about having to face people below his level, and gets a superiority complex when he finally manages to beat Boring Kane after all this time. Hunter is an egotist that has to have the last word on everything, and when his Chosen Ones start thinking for themselves, he puts a bullet in them and goes to someone else, and if that doesn't work, takes the glory for himself. I suppose both of them are more likeable than Steph the Emasculator, and god knows that if Hunter turns, she goes along for the babyface "women-empowering" ride. I mean, I despise Roman Reigns's character, but at least I can understand why I am supposed to root for him over Seth, even if I wouldn't do so in practice.
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Post by Stu on Nov 6, 2015 1:18:44 GMT -5
Rather than dwelling on a silly Wrestlemania main event (assuming it was actually planned. I still don't take this stuff as gospel), how about you all just be happy that it isn't happening at all?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 1:19:12 GMT -5
You sure about that? Since he took on his current role/gimmick 4 years ago: Beat Punk at Night of Champions 2011 Beat Nash at Vengeance 2011 Beat Lesnar at WM29 Beat Sting at WM31 Has he lost some? Yes, but let's not pretend he hasn't put himself over either. I was exaggerating. That said, that's still not really a whole hell of a lot, and of those, Sting and Punk are really the only egregious ones to me. Eh, with Punk they kind of wrote themselves into a corner on it. The Nash thing I think really screwed them up on that but with what they went with instead, in the weeks leading up to that match Punk's character was becoming such an unbearable whiny little bitch and desperately needed to be knocked down a peg. It was stupid they got to that position with it in the first place, that Punk wanted to kill him after he accidentally caused him to win the title (I'll get to that in a minute), that Triple H wasn't willing to turn, and that Punk became his little buddy after the match, but at least at that point in time, with the way things were, it made sense to me and it was in a very fluky way. Granted, I think the ideal way to have booked that whole thing, if you still wanted to hit the same basic plot points and not delay Punk's return, would have been to do it as... - Miz wins the WWE title tournament, goes ahead and loses it to Cena later in the night and Punk then comes out, all that. - Triple threat at SummerSlam instead of just Cena / Punk. - Cena wins by pinning Miz, who has his foot on the rope, then Alberto cashes in with Nash's help and Nash does the, "Stick the winner," thing the other night. This accomplishes giving Cena more reason to go after Alberto and to be pissed at him, gives Punk and Miz both genuine reasons to believe Triple H was out to get them (when neither really had reason to think that as it was), and with the Nash thing leaves it ambiguous as to whether or not the intention was always just to make sure none of the three left with the belt. - Triple H / Punk match happens, Triple H wins in a fluky way that's framed to look like he may have been looking to screw Punk over but maybe not. - Miz and R-Truth chaos and all that, walkout, but make the walkout actually mean something and have the guys trying to have their own self-run show for a few weeks without corporate backing and make it more half-and-half instead of just everybody but the tip top faces leaving. - Eventual revelation Triple H did indeed arrange for Alberto to become champion and has made him his chosen one and did indeed text Nash, leading to a proper Punk / Triple H match at Mania (set up by Punk vanquishing Alberto leading Triple H to come gunning for him in his own right) and avoiding that crappy Jericho one. Go ahead and do the Rock & Cena / Miz & Truth thing while you're at it if desired but actually make Miz and Truth look like threats for the months leading up to it and don't f***ing have Cena beat them in a handicap match right before the show. Could probably also get a Miz face turn (which the timing was more than right for - by the time they did it it was much too late and really poorly done) and Mania feud with Alberto out of that while at it.
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Post by MAD TITAN on Nov 6, 2015 1:19:41 GMT -5
The "plan" went from Triple H vs. Rock to Seth Rollins vs. Triple H...
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Post by Starshine on Nov 6, 2015 1:31:54 GMT -5
The "plan" went from Triple H vs. Rock to Seth Rollins vs. Triple H... The first plan seemed to rely on Ronda Rousey's involvement based on this years Mania angle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 1:35:17 GMT -5
We sure the WWE is better in HHH hands Once he hangs up the boots for good? Maybe? This is f***ing hilarious.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Nov 6, 2015 1:40:38 GMT -5
I like Triple H, but the guy really does see his character as the conqueror, the ass kicker, the king of kings. Dude thinks he's the GOAT and people actually want to see him as this big bad ass who beats everyone one way or another.
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