Aya Reiko
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Post by Aya Reiko on Nov 8, 2015 2:16:24 GMT -5
You could list 95% of absolutely everything TNA has ever done, mainly during the Jarrett-Mantel-Russo era or later, and make a convincing argument of "good idea, poor execution".
That's how long and much TNA has been mismanaged.
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Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 8, 2015 12:27:27 GMT -5
Bringing in a new monster character to feud with resident monster character Abyss. Sounds great on paper-until they make it into an Undertake/Kane ripoff and then bring in a blitzed out Dustin Rhodes in a Goldust ripoff gimmick and the guy who's ring name was something spelled backwards.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 8, 2015 15:45:13 GMT -5
TNA
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 8, 2015 16:38:27 GMT -5
This championship tournament they've got going right now. It's a great idea on paper to ensure that the majority of your TV matches mean something towards a future event, but the way they went about it by rushing through it all on the first few days of that insane megataping a few months back, at the time giving no hint towards what it was actually for, then vacating the world title specifically for it after Bound For Glory just killed any chance it had of it being taken seriously. I agree with this. The whole reason why Matt Hardy vacated the title was stupid because well Matt wasn't hurt. Plus EC3 all he had to do was have a rematch, I'm sure that would be much easier then going through a tournament to begin with. So really they made the PPV pointless and made the former champion look like an idiot. Only because TNA business sucks so bad they couldn't tape anything after the PPV to make the former champion or the new champion look like a champion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 18:17:18 GMT -5
The Abyss vs Sting saga. It started out quite good in my opinion, though I admit that winning the nwa belt by dq was controversial. They were building to a match wereSting wanted to take out James Mitchell. So they had a match were the loser got locked inside a cage. It was awesome and had a big fight atmosphere. Sting won and Abyss got locked out. He then put his hands on Mitchell and beat the crap outta him. Mitchell bled and sold like hell, I was interested for what happened next...then came the stupid casket match. I still had hope for Abyss when Tomko debuted and they had similar tattoos, they said that Tomko was from Abyss's past. They were building to reveal Abyss's father...who turned out to be James Mitchell making no sense whatsoever, to me it was a bummer because I read online that Jake Roberts was rumored to play Abyss's abusive father. Then after that they had Abyss speak and it killed his mystique, his voice doesn't match his size. Abyss lost all credibility during this period and became the most pathetic wrestler of all time. Agreed with this. Nobody won in this feud; Abyss lost his mystique as a monster, which some people would argue was inevitable, but to be honest, he needed to be protected from doing incredibly stupid stuff, which would eventually happen. Sting had his time wasted during this whole farce, and it made the role of James Mitchell, who was a mainstay manager in TNA programming since its inception, obsolete. I would throw in Open Fight Night. You could've done better than what they wound up doing.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 16, 2015 16:51:54 GMT -5
The Bound For Glory Series. TNA could have had their own G1 Climax, instead they had a mess with a convoluted points system and guys wrestling different numbers of matches. Came in to post this. The BFG series is a great idea, it gives you a reason to give a shit about otherwise meaningless TV matches, it adds intrigue, until you f*** with it for no reason.
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Post by BorneAgain on Nov 16, 2015 17:06:05 GMT -5
The Bound For Glory Series. TNA could have had their own G1 Climax, instead they had a mess with a convoluted points system and guys wrestling different numbers of matches. Came in to post this. The BFG series is a great idea, it gives you a reason to give a shit about otherwise meaningless TV matches, it adds intrigue, until you f*** with it for no reason. What's amazing to me is that TNA nailed it in 2012. Good mix of matches, a logical point system, and an overall solid series that made TV matches matter. Them getting it so well and then completely blowing it come 2013 is just mystifying to me.
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MolotovMocktail
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Nov 23, 2015 21:02:08 GMT -5
Serotonin. Awesome look, Raven was set to be a great mouthpiece, but they were jobbed out because Dutch Mantell didn't "get" the gimmick.
Judas Mesias. Loved his debut cutting his way up through the ring, looked creepy as hell, and he jobs to practically the entire roster.
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SAJ Forth
Wade Wilson
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Post by SAJ Forth on Nov 24, 2015 19:00:22 GMT -5
Roode in 2011.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 26, 2015 21:21:56 GMT -5
Serotonin. Awesome look, Raven was set to be a great mouthpiece, but they were jobbed out because Dutch Mantell didn't "get" the gimmick. Judas Mesias. Loved his debut cutting his way up through the ring, looked creepy as hell, and he jobs to practically the entire roster. In fairness to TNA, Mesias got injured at a show in Mexico a couple days after his debut. and ended up missing a few months. By the time he was healthy people didn't care. And yeah AJ hated the Flair angle. He wanted to be paired with Flair but according to him they actually wanted him to bleach his hair and completely wrestle like Ric which he refused to do (and got him a lot of heat from Bischoff) Gutcheck was a good idea to give people a shot, but how they went about choosing people was dumb and ended up putting a lot of people on tv that had no business being put out there. TNA also has had the bad habit of having dragging things out too long. Tomko's face turn that resulted in him turning heel again, not putting the title on Storm at Lockdown (which ended up with Aries getting red hot and Storm not getting the title), Ace's and Eights was drug out WAY too long.
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Shark
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Post by Shark on Nov 26, 2015 22:11:31 GMT -5
I would say Gut Check as well. Good idea on paper, but their selections were typically terrible and it was almost always guys who shouldn't have been on camera, but even then, it could have gone better had TNA not made 2 critical mistakes. 1. They almost always paired up their green inexperienced contestant with a green, inexperienced worker on the roster. Working matches with guys like Gunner and Robbie E did these guys no favors. 2. The matches always went the exact same way. The "veteran" dominated the match until the contestant got 45 seconds of a token comeback before they lost. The audience got no sense of the guy as a wrestler and made the whole match pointless since they were 4 minute squash matches.
On the other hand, it did introduce me to Taeler Hendrix and I just love her!
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Burst
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Post by Burst on Nov 26, 2015 22:31:47 GMT -5
Idea: Having an openly bisexual wrestler on the roster, years before Darren Young
Execution: Have Orlando Jordan basically play up practically every deranged homosexual tropes one can think of, but with bi pride striping in his locker room rather than rainbows and prolong the fallacy that bi people want to have a relationship with a guy and a gal simultaneously, thus setting wrestling acceptance of bi wrestlers back twenty years. Still have no clue what anyone involved in that angle was thinking.
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Post by The Tank on Nov 27, 2015 8:55:28 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised no one's gone here yet, but...
Jeff Hardy as a wrestling company's top guy.
They took that so far off the rails, it's practically a joke to think that people wanted that to happen even in WWE.
I mean, granted, you can't entirely put that on TNA, but I don't see Vince seeing the man tripping balls and going "Main event with Sting? GIT ON OUT THERE, SUG!" and only stopping when he's literally falling all over himself on live television.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 27, 2015 11:49:13 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised no one's gone here yet, but... Jeff Hardy as a wrestling company's top guy. They took that so far off the rails, it's practically a joke to think that people wanted that to happen even in WWE. I mean, granted, you can't entirely put that on TNA, but I don't see Vince seeing the man tripping balls and going "Main event with Sting? GIT ON OUT THERE, SUG!" and only stopping when he's literally falling all over himself on live television. That's the thing that also gave TNA a ton of bad rep as well. To even make the guy World champion while he was dealing with a trail that was drug related and you can tell he was on something. Yet regardless of that fact,they made him the face of the company. That whole thing was a disaster with Victory Road. Granted when he came back clean sure he was the guy that belonged because he was firing on all cylinders at that point. The fact that TNA let him go on live TV in that condition was wrong. The same way with Angle being World champion while facing DWIs.
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Dragonfly
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Post by Dragonfly on Nov 27, 2015 13:31:18 GMT -5
The Abyss vs Sting saga. It started out quite good in my opinion, though I admit that winning the nwa belt by dq was controversial. They were building to a match where Sting wanted to take out James Mitchell. So they had a match were the loser got locked inside a cage. It was awesome and had a big fight atmosphere. Sting won and Abyss got locked out. He then put his hands on Mitchell and beat the crap outta him. Mitchell bled and sold like hell, I was interested for what happened next...then came the stupid casket match. I still had hope for Abyss when Tomko debuted and they had similar tattoos, they said that Tomko was from Abyss's past. They were building to reveal Abyss's father...who turned out to be James Mitchell making no sense whatsoever, to me it was a bummer because I read online that Jake Roberts was rumored to play Abyss's abusive father. Then after that they had Abyss speak and it killed his mystique, his voice doesn't match his size. Abyss lost all credibility during this period and became the most pathetic wrestler of all time. Bringing in a new monster character to feud with resident monster character Abyss. Sounds great on paper-until they make it into an Undertake/Kane ripoff and then bring in a blitzed out Dustin Rhodes in a Goldust ripoff gimmick and the guy who's ring name was something spelled backwards. Judas Mesias. Loved his debut cutting his way up through the ring, looked creepy as hell, and he jobs to practically the entire roster. From what I've heard, their original choice for Abyss' half brother was NWA Anarchy regular Mikael Judas (Murphy of "Gunner and Murphy" "fame"). He was a natural fit - he had a ready-made gimmick (Undertaker-esque without feeling like a ripoff), a great ring presence and perhaps most importantly, bore a passing resemblance to James Mitchell. Things supposedly fell through when TNA tried to force him to sign over the name rights.
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WWEedy
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Post by WWEedy on Nov 27, 2015 15:11:32 GMT -5
The Abyss vs Sting saga. It started out quite good in my opinion, though I admit that winning the nwa belt by dq was controversial. They were building to a match where Sting wanted to take out James Mitchell. So they had a match were the loser got locked inside a cage. It was awesome and had a big fight atmosphere. Sting won and Abyss got locked out. He then put his hands on Mitchell and beat the crap outta him. Mitchell bled and sold like hell, I was interested for what happened next...then came the stupid casket match. I still had hope for Abyss when Tomko debuted and they had similar tattoos, they said that Tomko was from Abyss's past. They were building to reveal Abyss's father...who turned out to be James Mitchell making no sense whatsoever, to me it was a bummer because I read online that Jake Roberts was rumored to play Abyss's abusive father. Then after that they had Abyss speak and it killed his mystique, his voice doesn't match his size. Abyss lost all credibility during this period and became the most pathetic wrestler of all time. Bringing in a new monster character to feud with resident monster character Abyss. Sounds great on paper-until they make it into an Undertake/Kane ripoff and then bring in a blitzed out Dustin Rhodes in a Goldust ripoff gimmick and the guy who's ring name was something spelled backwards. Judas Mesias. Loved his debut cutting his way up through the ring, looked creepy as hell, and he jobs to practically the entire roster. From what I've heard, their original choice for Abyss' half brother was NWA Anarchy regular Mikael Judas (Murphy of "Gunner and Murphy" "fame"). He was a natural fit - he had a ready-made gimmick (Undertaker-esque without feeling like a ripoff), a great ring presence and perhaps most importantly, bore a passing resemblance to James Mitchell. Things supposedly fell through when TNA tried to force him to sign over the name rights. Which is possibly the most silly reason to not follow through with the deal seen as they ended up signing a dude called Ricky Banderas and calling him Judas Mesias anyway. Why not just call Mikael Judas "Judas Mesias"?
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Post by Starshine on Nov 28, 2015 6:01:25 GMT -5
Kurt Angle.
Jeff Hardy.
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Post by Ashy Larry on Nov 29, 2015 17:41:58 GMT -5
I liked the idea of Flair being a mentor for AJ Styles. I didn't like the idea of them turning AJ into Flair lite. AJ should've stayed as AJ Styles, but with Flair as his manager. Instead, they wanted him to become a clone of Flair, even dying his hair blonde. No one in wrestling is further away from being Flair than AJ, so of coarse they picked him. The sad part was as soon as the rumor started off Flair managing AJ everybody immediatly predicted this would happen and TNA would be making a horrible mistake in doing so. Ric Flair mannerisms work for Ric Flair only and giving country boy AJ Styles a styling and profiling gimmick was nonsense.Get some random hick and make him wrestle like Flair and you end up with Paul Lee.
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Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 29, 2015 18:14:11 GMT -5
Bringing in Hogan? Granted it was never going to be some sort of godsend for them, but bringing in one of the biggest names in wrestling ever could have actually been a good catch for them if it had been done right. Hogan being used in the capacity WWE was using him in before the recent social media scandal-as a spokesman, a way to move merchandise, raise your company's public profile, and sometimes add a little extra pizzaz to a tv show or PPV-could arguably have been a good move for a promotion in the spot TNA was in at the time. Bringing him in and allowing to to turn you're e tire show upside down, to the point you start hemmoraging ratings and moolah? Well, we all know.
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