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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 22:23:19 GMT -5
We may see more of Lashley if a certain politican needs his main man.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 28, 2015 22:25:53 GMT -5
Of the list, four of these men had great talent and through one reason or another ran into problems that kept them from the top spot. Kennedy, on the other hand, was a one-note guy whose TNA run exposed him as really only having his mic gimmick, and oh goddamn how stale it's gotten that he's kept using it through all of these years. I feel like if you put all of these men under the optimal circumstances of health and backstage circumstances, Kenney would peak the lowest of the group.
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Post by dreidemy on Nov 28, 2015 22:29:01 GMT -5
Shelton and MVP
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Post by superchamp on Nov 28, 2015 22:32:20 GMT -5
Of the list, four of these men had great talent and through one reason or another ran into problems that kept them from the top spot. Kennedy, on the other hand, was a one-note guy whose TNA run exposed him as really only having his mic gimmick, and oh goddamn how stale it's gotten that he's kept using it through all of these years. I feel like if you put all of these men under the optimal circumstances of health and backstage circumstances, Kenney would peak the lowest of the group. The best thing Kennedy did in the WWE was legit get the shit beat out of him by Regal. I still have no idea why that happened or what the story behind that was, but it was and still is absolutely glorious to watch youtu.be/b_LNHFwIBL0?t=326
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Post by Christian on Nov 28, 2015 22:54:13 GMT -5
I don't think people are giving Carlito enough credit for the character he was in WWE.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 28, 2015 23:44:53 GMT -5
I'll always have a soft spot for Kennedy and MVP. They both started on SmackDown at around the same time it moved to CW and I was able to watch it. They were booked perfectly, with their uneasy alliance against Kane and Taker. Kennedy had "it", and I wish we could have seen the culmination of the Vince's son storyline, because it was heavily hinted that it was Kennedy. Man I miss that SmackDown...
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Post by Perfect Timing on Nov 29, 2015 1:22:39 GMT -5
I really marked for Kennedy,Benjamin,MVP and Carlito.
It seemed to me and one point both Carlito and Shelton and Kennedy and MVP were the staples of their respective brands midcard at the time and I felt that Kennedy and MVP would easily fit in the main event seen after a coulple of years. It seemed they were both screwed over by face turns and were gold as heels and by 2009 were just like any other generic face but with a gimmick. Carlito and Shelton used to work well together and I felt Carlito was fine as he was in the midcard and that Shelton should of been pushed harder. I enjoyed the Lashleys work early in his run and found he worked great with Finlay but he became a black Goldberg with a 6 year olds voice when he started appearing on RAW and being shoved down our throats.
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Post by Germansuplex on Nov 29, 2015 1:41:52 GMT -5
I never saw anything in Carlito or Lashley. Really liked Kennedy back then, though, which in hindsicht was wrong. Shelton was a great performer and they should have pushed him more.
MVP though, now there's a missed opportunity!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 2:35:10 GMT -5
In terms of being THE guy, Lashley could have been good if he didn't talk. Whoever thought giving that guy a live mic was a good idea must have been smoking crack that day.
In terms of having the potential to be a Jericho/Edge level guy, Shelton Benjamin. But it's all good, we have Jason Jordan now.
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Post by hossfan on Nov 29, 2015 2:47:57 GMT -5
MVP.
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Post by Christian on Nov 29, 2015 2:52:45 GMT -5
Mr. Kennedy deserves some credit too! He had some funny segments as a heel. One of them is having impostors of Shawn Michaels friends (Marty Jannetty, Razor Ramon and Kevin Nash)
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Post by agent817 on Nov 29, 2015 2:54:46 GMT -5
I liked Shelton a lot and Lashley I thought was fine in the ring, it was when he opened his mouth where problems started. Both men could have worked if they were given managers as mouthpieces, especially Bobby Lashley. Shelton Benjamin just needed to work on his mic skills. However, I could not take someone seriously with the voice that Lashley had.
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Post by flowercity on Nov 29, 2015 9:13:00 GMT -5
Shelton beating HHH is one of my favorite Raw moments. He had a charisma about him that worked in the ring.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Nov 29, 2015 9:17:34 GMT -5
MVP was that guy. MVP should have been their next Rock.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 29, 2015 9:23:27 GMT -5
MVP had it all or at less was the closest. He could talk, he was solid in the ring but I agree he needed a much more effective looking finisher.
The others on the list all was missing to make them a star.
Carlito: I don't know if I buy the character itself as ME. Plus his lack of staying motivated hurt. At times he looked amazing in a match and others not so much.
Lashley: Guy can't talk. Which is a big problem in the WWE world and because WWE doesn't want to use managers anymore doesn't help. If Lashley could gotten a good manager to talk for him. He would been great. He was still kind of green but now Lashley is very good. It was a good surprise hand for TNA when he returned there.
Kennedy: Guy can talk but even now while being healthy for much longer stretches he proven he not a good worker. I was one who saw a ton of potential in him and many did label him as the next "Rock" when he first showed up. Now not so much and most people want him to just go away.
Shelton: I find him like Lashley. A mouth piece for him would do wonders. In the ring the guy was a natural and a hell of an athlete. He had everything but the ability to talk. Which it weird because any other time you saw the guy it seemed he had plenty of personality. I saw him as someone that I just couldn't figure out why that personality didn't shine on the mic as it did with facial reactions.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 29, 2015 9:40:19 GMT -5
I never got the love for MVP. He was good on the mic, sure. But I always found him utterly dreadful-to average in the ring. Never impressed me. Most of his moves looked sloppy and he just never seemed to really have all that many good matches.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Nov 29, 2015 10:02:37 GMT -5
What about The Masterpiece Chris Masters? He certainly was on his way too in 2005-06 and had a ppv feud with Shawn Michaels
I never liked Lashley. Was indifferent to MVP. I liked Shelton, but never really saw him as a main eventer, but a definite upper midcard guy. I thought for sure Carlito and Kennedy were going to be main eventers. I'm still not sure Kennedy wouldn't have been had he not gotten injured and lost the MITB briefcase.
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Post by agent817 on Nov 29, 2015 11:00:27 GMT -5
What about The Masterpiece Chris Masters? He certainly was on his way too in 2005-06 and had a ppv feud with Shawn Michaels I never liked Lashley. Was indifferent to MVP. I liked Shelton, but never really saw him as a main eventer, but a definite upper midcard guy. I thought for sure Carlito and Kennedy were going to be main eventers. I'm still not sure Kennedy wouldn't have been had he not gotten injured and lost the MITB briefcase. Chris Masters definitely had a big push during that time, you are right. He even had a spot in the Elimination Chamber match at New Year's Revolution. The fact that the three main veterans, Shawn Michaels, Kane and Kurt Angle, were eliminated before Masters and Carlito, kind of showed that the bookers were kind of high on those two that they tried making them look strong. I was not too keen on Masters in the ring and he did not really have mic skills in the beginning. Also, didn't he miss a good portion of 2006 because of some wellness stuff? He looked a little smaller when he came back in the fall of that year.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 29, 2015 12:18:04 GMT -5
MVP was the shit in 2007. Dat feud with Benoit.
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Post by BRV on Nov 29, 2015 13:17:31 GMT -5
Looking back on it, I can't believe how in the tank I was for Mr. Kennedy from 2006 through 2008. I really wanted him to be the next great superstar, failing to realize that the guy was a one-trick pony. All he had was a call-and-response entrance. Once he got in the ring (if he could stay in the ring) you realized how badly exposed he was.
Shelton Benjamin got about as far as he was going to get with his complete inability to talk like a human being. Carlito also got about as far as he could given his reported apathy toward the profession.
I still think Lashley and MVP could have been stars. Lashley had the look and ability to be whatever WWE wanted him to be, he just was atrocious on the microphone. Sticking him with a manager who could carry him would have done him wonders. And MVP was really the total package, from the look to the character to the in-ring ability. I don't know why he stagnated and fell off the radar, because it feels like he should have gone further.
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