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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 30, 2015 4:05:10 GMT -5
Absolute garbage that he didn't hold it longer that first time. Triple H is an idiot honestly. Ratings actually got a huge boost after he won the belt. Reason he lost it, though, is Triple H was convinced he could make Cena a star the fans universally loved at Mania, guess ignoring Edge was already starting to accomplish that, and insisted on going ahead with their match. And of course the attempt to get Cena cheered worked so well for Triple H he started building up his face turn the night after Mania. Really makes you wonder how different things would have turned out had they either held off on Cena / Edge for Mania or had, like Cena was apparently wanting, had him turn heel and move to the midcard for awhile. He spent the whole build playing cool heel and burying Cena's in ring skills...he did such a great job making the fans love Cena... And he tapped out in the end. The entire point is that Triple H called his credibility into question, in order to play up that a number of fans had done just that, but then Triple H, Mr. Burial himself, lost in a way he can't backpedal out of. If you think Edge vs Cena would be the better match, I don't even disagree really, but I do see the logic in the Triple H feud, even if I don't fully agree with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 4:16:10 GMT -5
Absolute garbage that he didn't hold it longer that first time. Triple H is an idiot honestly. He spent the whole build playing cool heel and burying Cena's in ring skills...he did such a great job making the fans love Cena... And he tapped out in the end. The entire point is that Triple H called his credibility into question, in order to play up that a number of fans had done just that, but then Triple H, Mr. Burial himself, lost in a way he can't backpedal out of. If you think Edge vs Cena would be the better match, I don't even disagree really, but I do see the logic in the Triple H feud, even if I don't fully agree with it. Even then, the logic of it just doesn't really hold up, because people were booing Cena 1), because of reasons outside of the story, 2), booing him in part because of the absolutely insane amount of overcoming the odds he was doing in response to the initial boos popping up, and 3), because of how WWE was going so far as to mute Angle's entrance so you couldn't hear people cheering for him. And besides that Triple H didn't do a terribly good job of making him look like a threat given he laid him out any time they came to blows in the lead-up and in basically every single match the two had afterward. Plus people were already wanting to cheer for Triple H. He was getting pops and people backing him up in the Flair feud.
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Post by sunnytaker on Nov 30, 2015 9:58:34 GMT -5
I was surprised that they took it off edge so quickly after the successful csh-in. made more sense to me to have cena get thwarted a few times in his efforts to get it back to make the MITB cash-in more feared in that "this guy stole my belt, but now i'm having a tough time getting it back. how can I do it?" instead of "yawn, ok you got lucky but here's my first rematch and the belt's back where it belongs. run along now."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 14:16:48 GMT -5
Cena's Rumble entrance compared to the champ may've been the biggest 'title's changing hands tonight' tip off ever. Interesting...I've never seen the 2006 Rumble, what gave it away?
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 30, 2015 14:18:07 GMT -5
Cena's Rumble entrance compared to the champ may've been the biggest 'title's changing hands tonight' tip off ever. Interesting...I've never seen the 2006 Rumble, what gave it away? Cena had this elaborate wrestlemania style entrance, with like his own personal entrance ramp.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 30, 2015 16:09:52 GMT -5
Hershey, Pennsylvania is the reason Cena ended up winning the title back. That was the only time he got cheered over his opponent. It was also the only time where he told those fans who booed him that they could kiss his ass instead of saying they had the right to do whatever they wanted. The amount of backwards booking for Cena essentially killed the guy within months of becoming champion and he never ever would recover. Ugh. I remember that. The crowds were turning on Cena more and more every week, and then Hershey, MARK CAPITAL OF THE UNIVERSE, Pops for him as if he was the Beatles in the mid-1960s. And I've hated them for being WWE's only option to run a show in my area ever since.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 30, 2015 16:12:28 GMT -5
Interesting...I've never seen the 2006 Rumble, what gave it away? Cena had this elaborate wrestlemania style entrance, with like his own personal entrance ramp. Oh God.... that was the year he came out on the Space Ship, wasn't it?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 30, 2015 16:51:37 GMT -5
And he tapped out in the end. The entire point is that Triple H called his credibility into question, in order to play up that a number of fans had done just that, but then Triple H, Mr. Burial himself, lost in a way he can't backpedal out of. If you think Edge vs Cena would be the better match, I don't even disagree really, but I do see the logic in the Triple H feud, even if I don't fully agree with it. Even then, the logic of it just doesn't really hold up, because people were booing Cena 1), because of reasons outside of the story, 2), booing him in part because of the absolutely insane amount of overcoming the odds he was doing in response to the initial boos popping up, and 3), because of how WWE was going so far as to mute Angle's entrance so you couldn't hear people cheering for him. And besides that Triple H didn't do a terribly good job of making him look like a threat given he laid him out any time they came to blows in the lead-up and in basically every single match the two had afterward. Plus people were already wanting to cheer for Triple H. He was getting pops and people backing him up in the Flair feud. It was like that old adage of never talking down your opponent, you should always big them up. HHH said Cena can't wrestle, Cena agreed, well then HHH just got beaten by a crap wrestler, which helps no one.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Nov 30, 2015 17:24:19 GMT -5
I remember reading that when Vince received the briefcase from Edge he said something like "Prove me wrong".
I think Vince was a big Edgehead but liked to put him under pressure to succeed.
The biggest nonsense was the Rated R belt, looking at it you knew it wouldn't stick. The damn spaceship that Cena arrived on at the Rumble. And finally the fact it came out literally the day after that WWE lined up the crowd track of Austin's WM14 title win to cover over Cena's boos. I honestly don't think he ever fully recovered from that with some fans just like how I don't believe that Reigns will ever be universally loved.
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