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Post by IMPRESSIVE knightwing1047 on Dec 1, 2015 1:28:33 GMT -5
I miss John Cena. There ya go, universe. You win.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 1, 2015 1:31:48 GMT -5
This show really was rotten.
Flat out, it was a poorly put together wrestling show. Impact type shit with all the non-finishes and goofy angles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 1:32:50 GMT -5
I thought it was a pretty fun show that went off the rails for the last hour or so. I had a good time watching, that's all I'm looking for.
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Post by madness50 on Dec 1, 2015 1:45:30 GMT -5
Seems I picked a good RAW to start my break from WWE. I have completely lost interest in the product and they don't seem to care how crappy their ratings have gotten. I had more fun watching Gotham, Charlie Brown, and Home Alone tonight than the previous seven months of RAW.
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Post by Dean-o on Dec 1, 2015 1:56:27 GMT -5
The show is just so formulaic! It wears you out watching the SAME camera angles, commercial brakes, entrances, buzzwords, hard camera shots, and horrible commentary week in, week out. There is nothing "Raw" about this show. Hasn't been in years now. That 3rd hour rating will be very ugly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 2:00:08 GMT -5
The backstage interaction between Reigns & friends and HHH/Stephanie was so painfully cringe inducing it actually made me feel pity for everyone involved.
Between Reigns cool guy act, the forced perma-smile and HHH/Steph really phoning it in, the whole thing was just sad.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 1, 2015 2:05:13 GMT -5
This show really was rotten. Flat out, it was a poorly put together wrestling show. Impact type shit with all the non-finishes and goofy angles. Not just Impact type. Identical.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 1, 2015 2:25:54 GMT -5
They've also been exposed now for not having a Bryan/Rollins/Cesaro type right now that they can throw out there and say "Here's 20 minutes, take it to Broadway and get those wolves on the internet of our back for another week". I think they have some guys who could go. There's just no one that they actually want to give those 20 minutes to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 2:38:35 GMT -5
eh, I actually thought the effort was there, but it backfired. Reigns/Sheamus was fine but should have closed the show with the League of Nations forming. There were mid card feuds being established showing that most people DO have stuff to do, but IDK its just not clicking. I hate to say it, but I think Cena is more valuable than were willing to admit. We don't like the endings of his stories, sure. But at least they hold our attention. Even if that were true, and I don't think it is, it wouldn't do the 2 hours and 40 minutes that Cena isn't involved any good.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Dec 1, 2015 2:41:51 GMT -5
The show is just so formulaic! It wears you out watching the SAME camera angles, commercial brakes, entrances, buzzwords, hard camera shots, and horrible commentary week in, week out. There is nothing "Raw" about this show. Hasn't been in years now. That 3rd hour rating will be very ugly. Yep, while I think the formulaic production values can be overlooked with cohesive and interesting storytelling/creative, when that part is this damn bland you notice how the composition of the show itself is an absolute borefest. There is nothing at all to keep someone firmly interested for 3 hours week to week when its the same old song and dance CONSTANTLY. Sure, once in a while they have something compelling, but honestly the last time they did for me was Brock's rampage the night after Mania. Since then, the show has more often than not bored me to tears. I keep watching because I keep hoping it will get better obviously, but its hard to keep that faith. The problem is almost fundamental. If they had compelling creative, that would solve a lot of the issues, but at this point I think the entire machine needs an overhaul. There's not one person who can save this, as even the shows where Brock is featured are so damn boring up until his appearance. The presentation itself right now is really suffering and its hard to get past the glaring sameness of everything. Its not just Raw either. Every aspect of their television output bar NXT is the same.
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Post by MOONDOG on Dec 1, 2015 2:57:36 GMT -5
Remember on the STONE COLD PODCAST with HHH when Steve asked Hunter why things are so bad ATM ?? You remember Hunters answer ?? {Spoiler} EVERYTHING goes through Vince.....
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Post by kingbookermark on Dec 1, 2015 4:25:42 GMT -5
Sheamus Speared to open the show like he's nothing
Tyler Breeze loses clean to a secondary move
Dudley Promo with Name Tape Tables
Ryback hates love and feelings just because. Also "THE ZIG-MAN WENT ALL THE WAY!!" (Again thanks Lizuka)
Tommy Dreamer returns to RAW, not Spike Dudley, shitty theme. Why?
Goldust/Del Rio just because
Five Minute World Title Match in the Second Hour
Del Rio with Sheamus/Barrett/Rusev for no reason
About Six DQs out of Nine Matches
Whatever Adam Rose did
Charlotte turning heel for no reason, Paige doing some shit again, Becky Lynch is there
Sasha Banks needing help to beat Brie Bella
Having to drag New Day into the show Four Times to keep any interest
A 7 vs 4 which would become 3 Main Event tag match that went like a half hour...
Ambrose takes the pinfall because of course.
Show ended with the statement "This is the current state of WWE"... comforting...
This is one of the worst RAW's of the year... I will not be shocked if the ratings are a new low, because that was friggen TERRIBLE in almost every aspect. One of the people in the Thread put it very well, this RAW was Stunning, and a War Crime (Thanks to Lizuka #BLM for that one)
Just... wow... there have been bad RAW's but that was just... surreal bad...
I actually kinda liked it. I watched a Raw from late 99 attitude era the other day & this is the first time anything in the modern era has felt like the attitude era. It was fun, wacky & serious. Actually if I wasn't so tired, I could point out how grossly hypocritical some of these complaints are, compared to things people have been saying that they want fixed.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 1, 2015 6:42:38 GMT -5
I been noticing a trend on this board about wanting ratings to go lower so WWE will be forced to makes changes to Raw. First off, how many people here are Nielsen households? As someone who used be one for 6 years before I moved to a new city, that's the only thing that matters and counts to network shows and the network themselves. If you are not based in the US, not paying for cable or satellite through a company like Comcast or DirecTV, or not lived at a residence long enough & part of the target demographic that advertisers want to hear from; your viewership doesn't matter to Nielsen. Nielsen ratings are not only to gauge if a show's popularity but it is valuable enough for advertisers to buy commercial time during that programming's time slot. People are not considering that more and more people are moving away from the traditional means of viewing tv. Nielsen has not came up with a way to measure viewership for those who stream tv legally. Plus they don't count DVR numbers towards the initial numbers because advertisers know that people fast forward through the commercials. Remember in a Christmas Carol how Ralphie found out that the secret message for Little Orphan Annie was just an ad for Ovaltine? That's what Nielsen ratings are. A way for advertisers to shill commercials to you via programmings.
If ratings goes down further, the influence of USA goes up. Remember how much people hated guest hosts every week? John Cena: world champion and always in the main event. Raw going to 3 hours. The swarm of part timers, legends, and anyone who been in WWE that last 30 years. All helpful ideas and wesayso suggestions from them. If you think a 1.9 means Kevin Owens as world champion with Zayn as his rival topping the card, I'm afraid I got some bad news for you. USA not going go with unproven unknowns. They are going to put John Cena back on top and the world continues to rotate around him. And if it gets really bad, they are going to make moves that people here are not going like at all contrary of their beliefs of wanting everything blown up and start anew.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 1, 2015 6:47:53 GMT -5
I'm going to be perfectly honest: I got more out of this week than I had some previous weeks as of late. I at least feel like shit happened and it wasn't just 3 hours and me left at the end feeling like they stalled for time the whole time, and Del Rio being part of a stable means a lot of the pressure is taken off of trying to establish him as a singles guy which, let's be frank, wasn't working. He's credible, but that doesn't automatically make him interesting or worth investing feeling into.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 1, 2015 7:15:02 GMT -5
I thought last night was fine and the only real disappointment I have is that they don't have the balls to do a World title change on Raw.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 1, 2015 7:20:14 GMT -5
I thought last night was fine and the only real disappointment I have is that they don't have the balls to do a World title change on Raw. It's been nearly a year since ANY title changed hands on RAW, let alone the world title (the last one was Ziggler cashing in on Del Rio the night after WM29, and even then that was the World Heavyweight belt. With the current one, it's Cena beating Mysterio back in 2011).
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 1, 2015 7:41:06 GMT -5
I been noticing a trend on this board about wanting ratings to go lower so WWE will be forced to makes changes to Raw. First off, how many people here are Nielsen households? As someone who used be one for 6 years before I moved to a new city, that's the only thing that matters and counts to network shows and the network themselves. If you are not based in the US, not paying for cable or satellite through a company like Comcast or DirecTV, or not lived at a residence long enough & part of the target demographic that advertisers want to hear from; your viewership doesn't matter to Nielsen. Nielsen ratings are not only to gauge if a show's popularity but it is valuable enough for advertisers to buy commercial time during that programming's time slot. People are not considering that more and more people are moving away from the traditional means of viewing tv. Nielsen has not came up with a way to measure viewership for those who stream tv legally. Plus they don't count DVR numbers towards the initial numbers because advertisers know that people fast forward through the commercials. Remember in a Christmas Carol how Ralphie found out that the secret message for Little Orphan Annie was just an ad for Ovaltine? That's what Nielsen ratings are. A way for advertisers to shill commercials to you via programmings. If ratings goes down further, the influence of USA goes up. Remember how much people hated guest hosts every week? John Cena: world champion and always in the main event. Raw going to 3 hours. The swarm of part timers, legends, and anyone who been in WWE that last 30 years. All helpful ideas and wesayso suggestions from them. If you think a 1.9 means Kevin Owens as world champion with Zayn as his rival topping the card, I'm afraid I got some bad news for you. USA not going go with unproven unknowns. They are going to put John Cena back on top and the world continues to rotate around him. And if it gets really bad, they are going to make moves that people here are not going like at all contrary of their beliefs of wanting everything blown up and start anew. This is a very good point. Vince still deserves an amount of blame for letting things become stagnant, but USA doesn't get called out like they should for the amount of meddling they've done ever since that stupid merger. The reason The Authority came to be in the first place is because USA's newer top brass think having any of the McMahons or Hunter around makes the show seem important and leads to ratings. Yet despite ratings not doing well this year, and having had at least two good opportunities to end the Authority angle with Bryan and Sting they couldn't because USA still believes they're a good idea. The posts I see about how lower ratings will force Vince to change things are silly, because hardly anyone realizes its USA that won't change anything. They've gotten final say on things along with Vince. If anything, I think people should protest USA as a whole or at least make it known to them on Twitter, Instagram and/or Facebook that they won't watch WWE or anything else on USA until USA makes the changes people want to see.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 1, 2015 7:43:12 GMT -5
I thought last night was fine and the only real disappointment I have is that they don't have the balls to do a World title change on Raw. It's been a nearly since ANY title changed hands on RAW, let alone the world title (the last one was Ziggler cashing in on Del Rio the night after WM29, and even then that was the World Heavyweight belt. With the current one, it's Cena beating Mysterio back in 2011). They need to consider doing it sometime soon, especially the World title. If nothing else, to shake the preception that it won't happen/only happens with MITB cash-ins. It's the same logic I apply to doing a title change (Not necessarily World, though I love the idea of a filmed MITB cash in) on a house show every now and then. Doing it at least gives people a reason to be invested in watching (in the case of house shows, going when it comes to their town)
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Post by Emmet Russell on Dec 1, 2015 7:50:56 GMT -5
This show really was rotten. Flat out, it was a poorly put together wrestling show. Impact type shit with all the non-finishes and goofy angles. Not just Impact type. Identical. Least they could spell the names on the tables right. They're not quite at Impact levels yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 8:50:58 GMT -5
Last night really did feel like a WWE-branded version of Impact. The Dudleys and Tommy Dreamer being featured in a prominent angle, complete with Bubba writing peoples' names on tables, a world title match being given on TV with no build-up that ends in a bullshit finish in 5 minutes, blurry or outright nonsensical heel/face alignments (referring to the Ryback/Rusev and Charlotte/Becky segments), a heel stable forming AND allying with another heel stable within the span of an hour...goddamn that was bad.
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