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Post by andrew8798 on Mar 29, 2017 23:09:28 GMT -5
10 more episodes from 81-82 have been added
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Post by Captain & Diet on Mar 29, 2017 23:15:54 GMT -5
I refuse to watch SMW until the Strange Kentucky People tape is uploaded.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 30, 2017 5:33:56 GMT -5
I would punch a baby for peak period AWA. So many huge stars went through there in their formative years. The problem is a guy whose name rhymes with Bulk Logan is still kinda on the outs. As long as Hulk is persona non grata, nothing concerning him is getting added. That includes early 80s AWA since Hulk/Bockwinkle was THE feud in the AWA. I don't know if that is the issue so much. I think part of the issue might be that peak AWA was often live events. Their TV show was f***ing abysmal most of the time. They didn't want to give valuable matches for free, and I get that, but that doesn't change that they failed to understand the potential of the medium to advance angles, promote stars, and get people excited about their product, it was just a throwaway to them.
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Post by mattperiolat on Mar 30, 2017 7:43:15 GMT -5
The problem is a guy whose name rhymes with Bulk Logan is still kinda on the outs. As long as Hulk is persona non grata, nothing concerning him is getting added. That includes early 80s AWA since Hulk/Bockwinkle was THE feud in the AWA. I don't know if that is the issue so much. I think part of the issue might be that peak AWA was often live events. Their TV show was f***ing abysmal most of the time. They didn't want to give valuable matches for free, and I get that, but that doesn't change that they failed to understand the potential of the medium to advance angles, promote stars, and get people excited about their product, it was just a throwaway to them. Fair point, the most I've seen of AWA, aside from the stuff on ESPN Classic in the day, is what's on the Network and what was released on DVD. My impression was it was just random releases when, in fact, it really actually IS that random! We still want it, but shouldn't expect a revelation when we do.
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Post by britishbulldog on Mar 30, 2017 22:38:49 GMT -5
I don't know if that is the issue so much. I think part of the issue might be that peak AWA was often live events. Their TV show was f***ing abysmal most of the time. They didn't want to give valuable matches for free, and I get that, but that doesn't change that they failed to understand the potential of the medium to advance angles, promote stars, and get people excited about their product, it was just a throwaway to them. Fair point, the most I've seen of AWA, aside from the stuff on ESPN Classic in the day, is what's on the Network and what was released on DVD. My impression was it was just random releases when, in fact, it really actually IS that random! We still want it, but shouldn't expect a revelation when we do. Growing up in Utah awa was a big deal here and generally sold out as much as wwf. Awa had a syndication show that was actually good. Lots of matches fron Vegas and storyline progression. I wish that would all show up. Fatwell, baron, slaughter, Brody, Hansen.
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Post by thetower52 on Mar 31, 2017 1:12:38 GMT -5
I hope they put more SMW up soon
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Post by cjh on Mar 31, 2017 15:50:12 GMT -5
The Aug. 7, 1982 episode is shortened big time as WWE cut out a bunch of footage of Dick Murdoch wrestling in New Japan.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 31, 2017 17:16:36 GMT -5
Thing is, if New Japan didn't care about Watts airing it originally then why would they care now?
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 31, 2017 18:01:15 GMT -5
Am I the only one who just doesn't find these Mid South shows very much fun to watch? There's just something about it, I dunno. Maybe it's the dreary atmosphere of being at this Boys Club? It's almost as if the shows are too much steak and no sizzle. Rarely do any of these guys get any mic time before or after their matches so it's tough to really get into the characters. Where I'm at right now is basically the Wild Samoans turned on Ernie Ladd and hired Skandar Akbar as their manager (with One Man Gang debuting) and they are just maiming everyone. Ladd (which was a pretty good angle), Mike George, Dick Murdoch, etc. I know it is a Watts staple to have his heels run roughshod until someone steps up, but it seems like Mid South didn't really have a true top guy in that vein. I would say Dibiase but I think he turns heel in a few months. JYD I guess?
That said, the spot where Akbar tried to hit JYD with the fireball and JYD blocked it with the chair was NICE. Someone desperately needs to copy it.
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Post by andrew8798 on Mar 31, 2017 21:27:17 GMT -5
About 30 episodes were added today.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 1, 2017 0:05:32 GMT -5
Most would say 84 is one of their better years also when Dundee got the book those shows were good even if he did hotshot everything
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Post by chronocross on Apr 1, 2017 0:42:22 GMT -5
84 was pretty good with Cornette & Midnights vs. R & R Express and the Mr. Wrestling 2/Magnum TA feud.
Though it kinda fizzles a bit once JYD leaves for WWF and they were desperate to find another replacement ranging from Master G "George Wells" to the "Snowman" and a few others before settling on turning Butch Reed babyface, which never really suited him,IMO.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 1, 2017 0:44:16 GMT -5
They really didn't replace JYD as a top draw until Duggan turned
Hope we get to 85 on this batch his feud with Ted is some great stuff
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Post by chronocross on Apr 1, 2017 1:05:51 GMT -5
They really didn't replace JYD as a top draw until Duggan turned Hope we get to 85 on this batch his feud with Ted is some great stuff Definitely, I meant as trying to find a black guy who was charismatic as JYD was which was impossible. I liked the angle in 85 where DiBiase turns back into a face as he challenged Flair for the NWA title and got busted open by Murdoch prior to the bout.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 1, 2017 3:23:58 GMT -5
Watching the earliest Mid-South show on the Network and holy shit, I've never seen Buddy Landell when he wasn't doing his "K-Mart Ric Flair" gimmick, but I guess this pre-dates that.
Edit: Huh, and then saw Bob Orton Jr. lose to "Iron" Mike Sharpe, a result that would be f***ing unthinkable about 2 or 3 years later.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 1, 2017 22:51:04 GMT -5
Oh man I cracked up at Sharpe getting a push and basically squashing Orton on that one show. Was Orton not long for the company or something? He was being totally jobbed out. That said there was one tag match with him and Orndorff vs. JYD/George where the heels did the "full nelson, with Orton coming off the top" spot that they later recycled for the finish at WM 1. Of course there Orton had the cast and everything. It was fun to see that iconic finish done 3 years earlier, with the same basic result as JYD ducked and Orton took out Orndorff, haha.
That said from what I'm seeing here, Mid-South doesn't remotely compare to the best of Memphis or WCCW. It's a qualitative thing I guess, but these shows just have no joy to them. If I want to watch redneck old wrestling I want it to at least be humorous and fun, but this is utterly no nonsense and kind of downbeat. It's like watching a show where the heels always beat up the faces or cheat them but the faces aren't especially likable and lack the ability to garner sympathy. Some mentioned Dundee's booking in 1984 as being better since at least he grasped the notion of having guys like the RNR Express or Magnum TA be white meat babyfaces for the younger crowd to get into.
And I know this will sound silly but I just have cognitive dissonance watching old Dibiase stuff. It's probably the opposite of how old fans must have felt seeing him now be this rich guy in the WWF. To me it's odd watching him as this blue collar babyface. He just seems weirdly miscast in that role.
But yeah, let's have some fun here, some cheesy gimmicks that wouldn't pass muster nationally, just something instead of heel beatdowns. Give some guys mic time to get over. Good grief, one episode had Dusty doing guest commentary only to be lured out by Bob Roop for a 2 on 1 attack with Orndorff and they fined Dusty 2500.00 for leaving the announce table and not the heels for attacking him! It almost reminds me of Butch Reed having Akbar throw fire at him in Global and the heel GM fined Reed, haha. Except Watts and Co. aren't heels!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 5:30:36 GMT -5
Watching the earliest Mid-South show on the Network and holy shit, I've never seen Buddy Landell when he wasn't doing his "K-Mart Ric Flair" gimmick, but I guess this pre-dates that. Edit: Huh, and then saw Bob Orton Jr. lose to "Iron" Mike Sharpe, a result that would be f***ing unthinkable about 2 or 3 years later. Huh, that's odd? Did I look in the wrong folder or somewhere? The earliest show I can find in the Mid-South archive is the December 12th, 1981 episode featuring Ted Dibiase vs. Paul Orndorff in the Main Event among others. But no Buddy Landell, Bob Orton or Mike Sharpe on that one.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 2, 2017 5:38:41 GMT -5
Watching the earliest Mid-South show on the Network and holy shit, I've never seen Buddy Landell when he wasn't doing his "K-Mart Ric Flair" gimmick, but I guess this pre-dates that. Edit: Huh, and then saw Bob Orton Jr. lose to "Iron" Mike Sharpe, a result that would be f***ing unthinkable about 2 or 3 years later. Huh, that's odd? Did I look in the wrong folder or somewhere? The earliest show I can find in the Mid-South archive is the December 12th, 1981 episode featuring Ted Dibiase vs. Paul Orndorff in the Main Event among others. But no Buddy Landell, Bob Orton or Mike Sharpe on that one. Huh...that's weird, my Mid-South archive only goes back to March 82. Oh wait, nevermind, I'm stupid and wasn't using the "select year" function", so....yeah.
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Post by cabbageboy on May 5, 2017 18:07:42 GMT -5
Okay I finished all of 1982 Mid-South. Let me say this: Mr. Olympia is a terrific wrestler. Rather than do the whole goofy Stagger Lee gimmick I would have just sent JYD to the NWA or Memphis for 90 days and let Olympia be the top babyface. Instead they basically killed Olympia's heat once Wrestling II came in, and if you check out some You Tube clips you'll know where the whole "Who is stalking Mr. Wrestling II?" angle is going.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 11:45:53 GMT -5
Watching a PPW from 1986 and during the Bladerunners match Joel Watts says Rock is deranged and mentally unstable cause of the steroid effect.
And watching the earlier mid south shows I love Ernie Ladd on commentary he puts everybody over heel or face but he puts himself over the most at the end.Plus the glee he had when the Orndorff Brothers screw over JYD and the disdain he had for Boyd Pierce saying we should feel bad for JYD.
King Cobra is going places.
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