Reflecto
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 3, 2016 0:57:57 GMT -5
How much of a song can be played before u have to pay royalties? If there are rules, WWE doesn't care. A couple seconds is enough for WWE to remove it. However, there are oversights by the editors at times, and music that should be cut stays intact. Sometimes, it gets fixed (the March 1986 Saturday Night's Main Event had "We Are the Champions" for the Dream Team's entrances left intact when it was originally uploaded but has since been changed), while other times it doesn't. You also have to keep in mind that most of the time, territories that weren't national didn't bother getting clearance for any of their songs, which is why companies like ROH suddenly had to change all the themes to in-house themes or themes they got from independent artists after they got their HDNet show. As such, the WWE (who were experienced with clearances) will get a little more leeway for older WWF/E shows than a territory broadcast would.
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cjh
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Post by cjh on Jan 3, 2016 1:04:51 GMT -5
If there are rules, WWE doesn't care. A couple seconds is enough for WWE to remove it. However, there are oversights by the editors at times, and music that should be cut stays intact. Sometimes, it gets fixed (the March 1986 Saturday Night's Main Event had "We Are the Champions" for the Dream Team's entrances left intact when it was originally uploaded but has since been changed), while other times it doesn't. You also have to keep in mind that most of the time, territories that weren't national didn't bother getting clearance for any of their songs, which is why companies like ROH suddenly had to change all the themes to in-house themes or themes they got from independent artists after they got their HDNet show. As such, the WWE (who were experienced with clearances) will get a little more leeway for older WWF/E shows than a territory broadcast would. I don't think it has anything to do with clearances or lack of them from years ago. Some of the instances of music slipping through on the Network are on non-WWE shows like the AWA or World Class.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Jan 3, 2016 1:23:05 GMT -5
How much of a song can be played before u have to pay royalties? For something like the network, the second it's recognizable, you have to pay. Unless WWE owns the recording of the song AND the publishing, they have to pay royalties for each broadcast.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 4, 2016 16:42:29 GMT -5
So people like me finally would by the network.
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Post by Doogie Bowser, MD on Jan 8, 2016 17:03:20 GMT -5
You also have to keep in mind that most of the time, territories that weren't national didn't bother getting clearance for any of their songs, which is why companies like ROH suddenly had to change all the themes to in-house themes or themes they got from independent artists after they got their HDNet show. As such, the WWE (who were experienced with clearances) will get a little more leeway for older WWF/E shows than a territory broadcast would. I don't think it has anything to do with clearances or lack of them from years ago. Some of the instances of music slipping through on the Network are on non-WWE shows like the AWA or World Class. Music that appears incidentally falls into a gray area. Music used specifically as part of the show (entrance theme, highlight package) needs specific clearances. It doesn't matter if there were clearances at the original date of use (ECW paid their ASCAP/BMI fees for TV & VHS), if there isn't one now, it generally has to go. If WWE can't mask over the original music with something in-house or already cleared (depending on if they can separate the audio tracks in a show), the segment will usually be clipped out completely.
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cjh
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Post by cjh on Jan 8, 2016 17:23:02 GMT -5
I don't think it has anything to do with clearances or lack of them from years ago. Some of the instances of music slipping through on the Network are on non-WWE shows like the AWA or World Class. Music that appears incidentally falls into a gray area. Music used specifically as part of the show (entrance theme, highlight package) needs specific clearances. It doesn't matter if there were clearances at the original date of use (ECW paid their ASCAP/BMI fees for TV & VHS), if there isn't one now, it generally has to go. If WWE can't mask over the original music with something in-house or already cleared (depending on if they can separate the audio tracks in a show), the segment will usually be clipped out completely. I'm talking about music that regularly gets removed on any episode, but then the very same song slips through on one. For example, in World Class in 1986, the Dingo Warrior was using "Born to Be Wild" as entrance music, so WWE just completely removes his entrances from each episode. However, on one particular episode of the several on the Network, the editors got sloppy and didn't remove it. This also happened during the Network's early days. When it first launched, "Voodoo Chile" was left intact for Hulk Hogan's entrances on 2002 and 2003 WWE shows. WWE quickly noticed it and pulled those videos. They were then uploaded again with new music replacing VC.
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Post by Doogie Bowser, MD on Jan 8, 2016 20:42:41 GMT -5
Music that appears incidentally falls into a gray area. Music used specifically as part of the show (entrance theme, highlight package) needs specific clearances. It doesn't matter if there were clearances at the original date of use (ECW paid their ASCAP/BMI fees for TV & VHS), if there isn't one now, it generally has to go. If WWE can't mask over the original music with something in-house or already cleared (depending on if they can separate the audio tracks in a show), the segment will usually be clipped out completely. I'm talking about music that regularly gets removed on any episode, but then the very same song slips through on one. For example, in World Class in 1986, the Dingo Warrior was using "Born to Be Wild" as entrance music, so WWE just completely removes his entrances from each episode. However, on one particular episode of the several on the Network, the editors got sloppy and didn't remove it. This also happened during the Network's early days. When it first launched, "Voodoo Chile" was left intact for Hulk Hogan's entrances on 2002 and 2003 WWE shows. WWE quickly noticed it and pulled those videos. They were then uploaded again with new music replacing VC. Hogan's part-time theme (they only used it once per show because anything Hendrix costs a LOT of money) in WCW & WWE was "Voodoo Child (Slight Return)". "Voodoo Chile" is a different song that is about 10 minutes longer.
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cjh
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Post by cjh on Jan 8, 2016 21:48:25 GMT -5
I'm talking about music that regularly gets removed on any episode, but then the very same song slips through on one. For example, in World Class in 1986, the Dingo Warrior was using "Born to Be Wild" as entrance music, so WWE just completely removes his entrances from each episode. However, on one particular episode of the several on the Network, the editors got sloppy and didn't remove it. This also happened during the Network's early days. When it first launched, "Voodoo Chile" was left intact for Hulk Hogan's entrances on 2002 and 2003 WWE shows. WWE quickly noticed it and pulled those videos. They were then uploaded again with new music replacing VC. Hogan's part-time theme (they only used it once per show because anything Hendrix costs a LOT of money) in WCW & WWE was "Voodoo Child (Slight Return)". "Voodoo Chile" is a different song that is about 10 minutes longer. Thanks for the correction. I know they're two different songs, but I can never keep the names straight. On the subject of getting the name wrong, I want WWE to upload to the Network the episode of WCW Thunder where Mike Tenay called it "Voodoo Chilly."
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Post by Doogie Bowser, MD on Jan 8, 2016 22:37:42 GMT -5
Hogan's part-time theme (they only used it once per show because anything Hendrix costs a LOT of money) in WCW & WWE was "Voodoo Child (Slight Return)". "Voodoo Chile" is a different song that is about 10 minutes longer. Thanks for the correction. I know they're two different songs, but I can never keep the names straight. On the subject of getting the name wrong, I want WWE to upload to the Network the episode of WCW Thunder where Mike Tenay called it "Voodoo Chilly." The Nitro Cafe should have served "Voodoo Chili".
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