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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 10:38:26 GMT -5
They"ll be back they always come back.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 7, 2015 14:00:20 GMT -5
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Crappler El 0 M
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 7, 2015 14:08:43 GMT -5
Yes, I pointed this out elsewhere. Bret Hart owns Stampede footage of himself. This is why Vince McMahon on the Bret Hart DVD said that it was a co-production between WWE and Bret Hart. I assumed Bret was licensing it to them as I figured it wouldn't be on the Network otherwise.
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Post by cjh on Dec 7, 2015 14:31:20 GMT -5
Bret would need to have been promised in writing SOLE rights, not just rights.
WWE bought and legally own actual, physical tapes of Stampede Wrestling that have Bret Hart matches on them. When they show Bret's Stampede matches, it's from their own tapes, not Bret's. Unless Bret was promised in writing that nobody but him will ever have any control over his Stampede matches, then it's simply a matter of neither side being able to control what the other does.
It's similar to how CM Punk owns his name and can use it how ever he wants, but WWE, TNA, ROH, or any indy promotion he worked still have every right to make a "Best of CM Punk" set with his name and face plastered all over the cover and don't need his permission to do so.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 7, 2015 14:37:34 GMT -5
Bret would need to have been promised in writing SOLE rights, not just rights. WWE bought and legally own actual, physical tapes of Stampede Wrestling that have Bret Hart matches on them. When they show Bret's Stampede matches, it's from their own tapes, not Bret's. Unless Bret was promised in writing that nobody but him will ever have any control over his Stampede matches, then it's simply a matter of neither side being able to control what the other does. It's similar to how CM Punk owns his name and can use it how ever he wants, but WWE, TNA, ROH, or any indy promotion he worked still have every right to make a "Best of CM Punk" set with his name and face plastered all over the cover and don't need his permission to do so. I'm not talking about owning physical tapes. Bret reportedly owns the RIGHTS to the Stampede footage of himself. WWE owns all other Stampede footage. |
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Post by cjh on Dec 7, 2015 14:50:59 GMT -5
Bret would need to have been promised in writing SOLE rights, not just rights. WWE bought and legally own actual, physical tapes of Stampede Wrestling that have Bret Hart matches on them. When they show Bret's Stampede matches, it's from their own tapes, not Bret's. Unless Bret was promised in writing that nobody but him will ever have any control over his Stampede matches, then it's simply a matter of neither side being able to control what the other does. It's similar to how CM Punk owns his name and can use it how ever he wants, but WWE, TNA, ROH, or any indy promotion he worked still have every right to make a "Best of CM Punk" set with his name and face plastered all over the cover and don't need his permission to do so. I'm not talking about owning physical tapes. Bret reportedly owns the RIGHTS to the Stampede footage of himself. WWE owns all other Stampede footage. More than one party can have rights to something. Unless the deal WWE signed with the Hart family when they bought the Stampede footage from them said "Bret Hart matches are not part of this deal" (despite being on the physical tapes WWE was buying), then Bret's rights are simply that he can do whatever he wants with his tapes and doesn't need anyone's permission. RF Video sells recorded-from-TV copies of ECW TV shows and PPVs, plus VHS-to-DVD copies of ECW Home Video releases because they had written permission from Paul Heyman to do so. They don't need permission from WWE to do this, but WWE, likewise, doesn't need RF's permission to do whatever they want with the master tapes of the very same content. |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 7, 2015 14:54:08 GMT -5
I'm not talking about owning physical tapes. Bret reportedly owns the RIGHTS to the Stampede footage of himself. WWE owns all other Stampede footage. More than one party can have rights to something. Unless the deal WWE signed with the Hart family when they bought the Stampede footage from them said "Bret Hart matches are not part of this deal" (despite being on the physical tapes WWE was buying), then Bret's rights are simply that he can do whatever he wants with his tapes and doesn't need anyone's permission. RF Video sells recorded-from-TV copies of ECW TV shows and PPVs, plus VHS-to-DVD copies of ECW Home Video releases because they had written permission from Paul Heyman to do so. They don't need permission from WWE to do this, but WWE, likewise, doesn't need RF's permission to do whatever they want with the master tapes of the very same content. We know they uploaded Stampede footage, all of which included Bret. We know they removed the footage a few days later. We know that when WWE released a DVD which included footage of Bret Hart in Stampede, that WWE said it was a joint-venture of WWE and Bret Hart. I think it's safe to say that none of us have seen any legal documentation in regards to the ownership of that footage. Clearly it appears there are legal issues with the ownership and it's reasonable to assume it has to do with Bret owning the Stampede footage of himself. |
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 7, 2015 14:58:58 GMT -5
This is the worst day of Vince McMahon's life.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Dec 7, 2015 15:02:46 GMT -5
I'm hoping they return. I actually watched 2 episodes before they were pulled. Amazing to see the Hart family in their prime with the youngster Bret. I'm talking about the 1978 episodes. Holy shit.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 7, 2015 15:22:15 GMT -5
I would have guessed it had something to do with Keith Hart being Keith Hart.
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Post by JCBaggee on Dec 7, 2015 15:43:41 GMT -5
Likely a rights expiration, and they haven't sorted it out yet. They'll be back.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 19:32:24 GMT -5
I blame Bruce
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 8, 2015 13:56:01 GMT -5
I blame lizard people
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 19:45:17 GMT -5
So that's two that blame Bruce. Screw it, just make it a Dynamite Kid show and I'm peachy keen with just that. |
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Post by Error on Dec 8, 2015 19:52:44 GMT -5
Apparently WWE didn't know Bret had the rights to his stuff and put up the shows. Bret found out via Twitter and sent over his contract and called Vince who decided to have it all pulled for now.
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Post by BxB on Dec 11, 2015 23:45:30 GMT -5
I hope this gets sorted out soon. I wanted to binge watch on these but it got removed.
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Post by thetower52 on Dec 14, 2015 23:47:24 GMT -5
So that's two that blame Bruce. Screw it, just make it a Dynamite Kid show and I'm peachy keen with just that. I blame smith |
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Dec 15, 2015 19:15:21 GMT -5
So that's two that blame Bruce. Screw it, just make it a Dynamite Kid show and I'm peachy keen with just that. Better Dynamite Kid than his cousin. Because Davey Boy Smith is a test tube bay-beh! |
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 16, 2015 22:19:32 GMT -5
Wouldn't this have been the one time when "Blame Canada" was appropriate? and none of you used it?
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