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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 14, 2015 18:27:59 GMT -5
Yeah, the Steve Austin suggestion is a dumb one.
In the new game they have commentary in the game saying "WCW would be stupid not to put all their focus on pushing Stunning Steve."
I don't think there were many fans even who thought that. Should they have kept him? Probably. They always seemed to keep him somewhat relevant. But I don't think anyone but Austin himself thought WCW was loading the bulletts in WWE's gun by letting Austin go.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 14, 2015 20:41:42 GMT -5
Just chiming in: firing Austin was basically a premonition of one of the things that killed WCW in the end. Granted, he was not the man he ultimately became at the time, but he was undeniably talented even then and had all the potential in the world-heck, Heyman was predicting Austin would be a huge star while they were both in WCW. In that same note, WCW also has Foley and Paul Levesque on the roster-both ended up becoming huge stars who helped the WWf trump WCW years later. Bischoff just didn't know how to build up such promising talent, as he later priced again with Jericho, Benoit, and Guerrero.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 14, 2015 20:50:16 GMT -5
Just chiming in: firing Austin was basically a premonition of one of the things that killed WCW in the end. Granted, he was not the man he ultimately became at the time, but he was undeniably talented even then and had all the potential in the world-heck, Heyman was predicting Austin would be a huge star while they were both in WCW. In that same note, WCW also has Foley and Paul Levesque on the roster-both ended up becoming huge stars who helped the WWf trump WCW years later. Bischoff just didn't know how to build up such promising talent, as he later priced again with Jericho, Benoit, and Guerrero. Again though Austin was great talent. In my last post I called him a mid-carder in WCW but he had main event level talent. Hell I saw it when I was 11 when he and Pillman had the program with The Horsemen leading to their match at the Clash. But WCW couldn't get guys to the level that WWF could pre 1996 because they did not have the eyes on their product. Now I will give you the post 1996 guys as examples of things that f'd up WCW. Not pushing Jericho, Guerrero or Benoit (those I think the first two were worse as they were both good/great in the ring and could cut great promos.) but Austin, Foley or even HHH? No.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 18, 2015 2:41:23 GMT -5
Yeah, the Steve Austin suggestion is a dumb one. In the new game they have commentary in the game saying "WCW would be stupid not to put all their focus on pushing Stunning Steve." I don't think there were many fans even who thought that. Should they have kept him? Probably. They always seemed to keep him somewhat relevant. But I don't think anyone but Austin himself thought WCW was loading the bulletts in WWE's gun by letting Austin go. I was obsessed with Austin and told anyone who listened he was a future world champion. When I found out he got let go by WCW I was heartbroken. Same went with Cactus Jack. I guess I am that "anyone" who thought it was a huge mistake and anyone who got him was getting a "bullet", as Austin was a top 3 guy for me. When WWF got him, I knew it was only a matter of time he would be main eventing with Bret Hart and Michaels, I just didnt imagine he would get as big as he did.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 18, 2015 10:52:32 GMT -5
Again though Austin was great talent. In my last post I called him a mid-carder in WCW but he had main event level talent. Hell I saw it when I was 11 when he and Pillman had the program with The Horsemen leading to their match at the Clash. But WCW couldn't get guys to the level that WWF could pre 1996 because they did not have the eyes on their product. Now I will give you the post 1996 guys as examples of things that f'd up WCW. Not pushing Jericho, Guerrero or Benoit (those I think the first two were worse as they were both good/great in the ring and could cut great promos.) but Austin, Foley or even HHH? No. Guerrero had a whole slew of issues backstage that meant he was too unreliable to be trusted with a higher level push, people forget that the WWF fired him because of his issues, the same company that kept Shawn Michaels on the payroll through the worst of his drug issues, so Eddie deserves some of the blame for his position in WCW. Benoit was not a main event level talent, while he was good in the ring he was missing the other half of what you need to be the face of a wrestling company, he was never someone you can send to do media interviews the way DDP, Nash, Hogan or even Goldberg were and what child would have wanted a lunchbox with his image on it? Jericho was a heavily featured player for WCW, he got more TV time that many recent WWE main eventers, people forget the time line with Jericho, he didn't arrive and get parachuted straight to where he 'belonged' become a world champion in the WWF until after WCW went under, his first big feud there involved him being used to get Chyna over, something considerably worse than anything WCW asked him to do. Jericho would have gotten much higher up the card had he remained in WCW, and likely would have had a better first world title feud than being the third wheel in Hunter/Steph.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 18, 2015 11:54:09 GMT -5
Just chiming in: firing Austin was basically a premonition of one of the things that killed WCW in the end. Granted, he was not the man he ultimately became at the time, but he was undeniably talented even then and had all the potential in the world-heck, Heyman was predicting Austin would be a huge star while they were both in WCW. In that same note, WCW also has Foley and Paul Levesque on the roster-both ended up becoming huge stars who helped the WWf trump WCW years later. Bischoff just didn't know how to build up such promising talent, as he later priced again with Jericho, Benoit, and Guerrero. Again though Austin was great talent. In my last post I called him a mid-carder in WCW but he had main event level talent. Hell I saw it when I was 11 when he and Pillman had the program with The Horsemen leading to their match at the Clash. But WCW couldn't get guys to the level that WWF could pre 1996 because they did not have the eyes on their product. Now I will give you the post 1996 guys as examples of things that f'd up WCW. Not pushing Jericho, Guerrero or Benoit (those I think the first two were worse as they were both good/great in the ring and could cut great promos.) but Austin, Foley or even HHH? No. I don't think its accurate to say Austin was just a midcarder who had a lot of potential though. He was only a couple steps away from the main event in WCW; he held the TV, tag team, and US titles, he was part of their top heel stable, he feuded with the likes of Flair, Sting, and Steamboat-does that sound like a midcarder? But he couldn't seem to break that glass ceiling, which fueled his frustration with the promotion. It wasn't just being fired that made him so bitter, it was the lack of upward mobility despite being right on the verge of it for as long as he was.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 18, 2015 12:01:22 GMT -5
Just chiming in: firing Austin was basically a premonition of one of the things that killed WCW in the end. Granted, he was not the man he ultimately became at the time, but he was undeniably talented even then and had all the potential in the world-heck, Heyman was predicting Austin would be a huge star while they were both in WCW. In that same note, WCW also has Foley and Paul Levesque on the roster-both ended up becoming huge stars who helped the WWf trump WCW years later. Bischoff just didn't know how to build up such promising talent, as he later priced again with Jericho, Benoit, and Guerrero. WWF being more successful didn't kill WCW. WCW not being successful enough killed them, and I don't think a non-Stone Cold, non-Jake Roberts defeating Steve Austin would have got that job done. It was symptomatic of what went wrong in WCW, yes, but it was not WWF using him better than they did.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 19, 2015 21:28:47 GMT -5
1. Letting Steve Austin goI disagree with this. Being completely honest here, "Stunning Steve Austin" was a mid carder. He was great in the ring, but was a dull promo and had little charisma. So agree/disagree? It doesn't matter what he was like in WCW, them getting rid of him started a chain reaction that led to their archrival company overtaking them and eventually running them out of business. If they had kept Austin, even as a mid-carder...or even as a jobber or guy-who-sits-at-home, it meant that WWF didn't have him and Stone Cold, the Attitude era, Mike Tyson, Austin vs. Vince...none of it happens. And without all of that, Rocky Maivia likely never has the environment to become the Rock, Mankind doesn't become underdog Mick Foley, DX never happens, Russo doesn't get so important in the WWF that WCW steals him away. It was the absolutely smallest mistake they made of those listed, but the ripple effect it caused destroyed them. If they had kept him, even as a member of the First Family or doing opening matches on Saturday Night, that never happens. They didn't have to have Stone Cold, but in the end, they needed to keep Steve Austin, first and foremost.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 19, 2015 21:54:38 GMT -5
I only got one because it's a big damn waste of money. Giving Master P and the no limit soldiers any money should be a crime.
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