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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 18, 2015 12:23:51 GMT -5
So I just read that Daniel Craig has a cameo as a stormtrooper. I'm not a fan of his Bond, but I have to mark out a little bit at that. Maybe he was the one to wipe blood on Finn's helmet? Finn seemed pretty disturbed to see a fellow stormtrooper die. Good thing he got over that later when he was blasting them. Maybe it was his friend or something. They should've called the movie Star Wars: Finn Feels Feelings because that was basically his job, just be around to see something and gape at it.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 18, 2015 12:34:22 GMT -5
You know, Finn's story would be fine if it was it's own movie where they can spend more time explaining his principles and actions.
It just wasn't the best fit for the movie overall, but at least it wasn't something that they've done before.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 18, 2015 12:37:15 GMT -5
I really, really don't get the Adam Driver complaining. No he isn't a good looking guy, but I have no idea why that is an actual complaint. The point clearly was that Snoke messed with his head and he is fighting within himself.
Plus, he had just been shot in the last fight and killed his dad. Of course he isn't completely there. He isn't supposed to be some super duper badass yet.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 18, 2015 12:37:29 GMT -5
Also what the f*** was with that goofy motherf***er that like took Rey Mysterio down the basement and gave her the lightsaber? Did he get lost on the way to his shift at the greasy spoon from Episode II? Because he felt way out of place. Though to be fair that part was apparently dumb enough that it got me to wake up and stay awake for the rest of the movie.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 18, 2015 12:39:29 GMT -5
I really, really don't get the Adam Driver complaining. No he isn't a good looking guy, but I have no idea why that is an actual complaint. The point clearly was that Snoke messed with his head and he is fighting within himself. Plus, he had just been shot in the last fight and killed his dad. Of course he isn't completely there. He isn't supposed to be some super duper badass yet. I will be satisfied when I can see Adam Driver die on-screen violently.... such a piece of shit no comeuppance haver in While We're Young.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 18, 2015 12:40:31 GMT -5
Also what the f*** was with that goofy motherf***er that like took Rey Mysterio down the basement and gave her the lightsaber? Did he get lost on the way to his shift at the greasy spoon from Episode II? Because he felt way out of place. Though to be fair that part was apparently dumb enough that it got me to wake up and stay awake for the rest of the movie. That was pretty clearly a female character.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 18, 2015 12:42:48 GMT -5
Also what the f*** was with that goofy motherf***er that like took Rey Mysterio down the basement and gave her the lightsaber? Did he get lost on the way to his shift at the greasy spoon from Episode II? Because he felt way out of place. Though to be fair that part was apparently dumb enough that it got me to wake up and stay awake for the rest of the movie. That was pretty clearly a female character. I was half awake and more just surprised to see Watto's cousin in the movie. I'm sorry to misgender the ancillary cartoon monster.
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Post by The Spelunker! on Dec 18, 2015 12:42:53 GMT -5
The Rey being way better all of a sudden thing seemed like it was battle meditation, a force power that makes you a combat badass by being one with the force. Considering Kylo Ren didn't seem to have a great connection, probably not something he ever learned how to do. If that is the case, is battle meditation brought up at some point beforehand? If not then it needs to be addressed in the film in some way. There's a big difference between having things happen where you can read between the lines or extrapolate from previously given information to fill in the gaps, and just pulling something out of your arse and letting a cartoon, comic book, or novel do the explaining. Too many films are guilty of that these days. Battle meditation is one of those things that's pretty well covered in the EU material and RPG content. It's the same kind of thing like Luke feeling with the Force to guide his shot on the Death Star in A New Hope. There's definitely entire lightsaber fighting styles built around using in combat.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 18, 2015 12:43:10 GMT -5
I really, really don't get the Adam Driver complaining. No he isn't a good looking guy, but I have no idea why that is an actual complaint. The point clearly was that Snoke messed with his head and he is fighting within himself. Plus, he had just been shot in the last fight and killed his dad. Of course he isn't completely there. He isn't supposed to be some super duper badass yet. I will be satisfied when I can see Adam Driver die on-screen violently.... such a piece of shit no comeuppance haver in While We're Young. I thought he was good in WWY. I didn't like the movie or his character, but that was Baumbach's fault. Driver himself is a very good actor.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 18, 2015 12:44:51 GMT -5
Val's theory:
Luke had an academy where he was training a handful of younglings/padawans. His prize student and nephew went coocoo for coco puffs for the dark side. Luke has an "Oh shit" moment, blamed himself and pulled a force mind wipe thingy on Rey (a youngling/borderline padawan that may or may or not related to him). Rey's only memory is "people I used to care for left, I'll wait for them". Luke went into exile to meditate on his mistakes.
When Kylo tried to read Rey's mind he "cracked" Luke's force-mind-wipe-thingy and she began to remember her youngling/early padawan training.
And Snoke is totally Plagius or however it's spelled. I'm too lazy to Google it. Yes I realize it took MORE work to type that than it would have to Google it, but now I'm not Googling the correct spelling because dammit I'm stubborn. Screw you logic!
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 18, 2015 12:45:21 GMT -5
I will be satisfied when I can see Adam Driver die on-screen violently.... such a piece of shit no comeuppance haver in While We're Young. I thought he was good in WWY. I didn't like the movie or his character, but that was Baumbach's fault. Driver himself is a very good actor. I'm saying he was so good that I want to see Adam Driver on screen in pain because of what his character got away with in that one. Like how if you watch Election you sort of want to see a house fall on Reese Witherspoon onscreen.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 18, 2015 12:48:45 GMT -5
I really, really don't get the Adam Driver complaining. No he isn't a good looking guy, but I have no idea why that is an actual complaint. The point clearly was that Snoke messed with his head and he is fighting within himself. Plus, he had just been shot in the last fight and killed his dad. Of course he isn't completely there. He isn't supposed to be some super duper badass yet. I thought the movie basically stated he wasn't trained much at all. His power was mostly raw and out of control. Him vs Rey was essentially a wounded padawan hack VS a pissed off youngling.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 18, 2015 12:50:09 GMT -5
I really, really don't get the Adam Driver complaining. No he isn't a good looking guy, but I have no idea why that is an actual complaint. The point clearly was that Snoke messed with his head and he is fighting within himself. Plus, he had just been shot in the last fight and killed his dad. Of course he isn't completely there. He isn't supposed to be some super duper badass yet. I thought the movie basically stated he wasn't trained much at all. His power was mostly raw and out of control. Him vs Rey was essentially a wounded padawan hack VS a pissed off youngling. That fight really worked well.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 18, 2015 12:57:03 GMT -5
Adam Driver looks like Han Solo as he appeared in the animated part of the Holiday Special.
I also question the wisdom of calling an evil overlord character "Snoke". Of all the names they could have picked. Sounds like an Ewok.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 18, 2015 12:59:54 GMT -5
Adam Driver looks like Han Solo as he appeared in the animated part of the Holiday Special. I also question the wisdom of calling an evil overlord character "Snoke". Of all the names they could have picked. Sounds like an Ewok. That'd be pretty great if he was an Ewok, see Wicket got mutated in the fallout from Death Star 2/3655892 like the Toxic Avenger and now he's out for blood.
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Post by Stu on Dec 18, 2015 13:05:10 GMT -5
I actually liked Kylo Ren as the flawed, imperfect villain. Unlike Vader, Maul, Dooku and everyone else, he was still inexperienced. It was clear he was essentially an upstart trying to prove himself, but was still dealing with a conflict within himself. And it wasn't until he killed his own father that he officially fell to the dark side. By the time we're done, General Hux will think twice about being condescending toward Kylo Ren.
Going in, a lot of people assumed Finn was going to be the Jedi and the film's main character. But I like that he's more or less filling the Han Solo role while Rey takes over the Luke position. It's intriguing that he wielded the lightsabre, but I'm not convinced it'll happen again. And as for those who question his fighting ability, his issue wasn't so much that he didn't know how to fight; it was that he didn't want to fight. He didn't want to kill. It's believable that he's at least capable of holding his own in a battle. And while it's questionable that he'd survive against Kylo Ren, I can believe it considering, as mentioned above, Kylo Ren is imperfect. And keep in mind, Finn didn't die. But he definitely lost to Kylo Ren.
Waiting through the credits, I noted Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fischer got first billing. I totally understand why that was the case, but I also would have understood if the other performers were billed higher. Hell, it would've been appropriate to get "And Harrison Ford as Han Solo."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 13:14:03 GMT -5
I wandered in here because I kinda wanted to know how the movie went so I could prepare myself. I always like to know what happens, because it actually helps me enjoy the stuff better or prepare me to skip it due to tough moments.
And from what I'm seeing, Kylo Ren makes me wanna cry in despair. I mean, you got a Hoosier (insert Hollywood Rock style segment ala his mocking of Toronto, lol) being the dude who would be this phase's key villain and he looked so cool as a villain from the way things looked, and based upon what people have been saying, they damn near assassinated his character almost right from the gate.
Also, my local sports talk show spoiled the death of "Han Duo", as they called him, this morning, anyway.
I think I'll get around to watching it, but given my issues right now in my life and the fact that I have to adjust to what is going to be my lifelong job, I'll probably have to settle for watching it on DVD due to not having a chance to have a personal life.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 18, 2015 13:17:31 GMT -5
If that is the case, is battle meditation brought up at some point beforehand? If not then it needs to be addressed in the film in some way. There's a big difference between having things happen where you can read between the lines or extrapolate from previously given information to fill in the gaps, and just pulling something out of your arse and letting a cartoon, comic book, or novel do the explaining. Too many films are guilty of that these days. Battle meditation is one of those things that's pretty well covered in the EU material and RPG content. It's the same kind of thing like Luke feeling with the Force to guide his shot on the Death Star in A New Hope. There's definitely entire lightsaber fighting styles built around using in combat. I know all that because I'm a huge Star Wars nerd, but it's never been addressed in any of the movies and that's my point. The Force guiding Luke's shot in A New Hope is a credible step because earlier in the film we see Luke has some innate Force ability while he's training with the sparring orb, and Obi Wan explains how the Force works. Doesn't require any additional reading to understand that People's complaint with Rey is that despite showing some Force abilities she suddenly powers up out of nowhere in the final fight. This isn't Luke using the Force to guide his shot, it's Luke beating Vader one-on-one at the end of A New Hope rather than taking three movies to get to that point. That's too big a step to make. Now, I imagine the answer will probably be something along the lines of her being either Leia or Luke's daughter, and she's had her memory wiped to protect her from Ren and Snoke, but that's speculation.
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Post by corndog on Dec 18, 2015 13:23:42 GMT -5
I really, really don't get the Adam Driver complaining. No he isn't a good looking guy, but I have no idea why that is an actual complaint. The point clearly was that Snoke messed with his head and he is fighting within himself. Plus, he had just been shot in the last fight and killed his dad. Of course he isn't completely there. He isn't supposed to be some super duper badass yet. I thought the movie basically stated he wasn't trained much at all. His power was mostly raw and out of control. Him vs Rey was essentially a wounded padawan hack VS a pissed off youngling. Exactly, the sputtering lightsaber, keeping the light out and his obvious lack of controlling his anger shows he isn't in control of his powers. While Vader was conflicted, he was fully trained and in control of his powers, just not his emotions. I also believe Ren underestimated Rey and didn't want to kill her, but try to convert her by saying he could train her.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 18, 2015 13:29:33 GMT -5
Battle meditation is one of those things that's pretty well covered in the EU material and RPG content. It's the same kind of thing like Luke feeling with the Force to guide his shot on the Death Star in A New Hope. There's definitely entire lightsaber fighting styles built around using in combat. I know all that because I'm a huge Star Wars nerd, but it's never been addressed in any of the movies and that's my point. The Force guiding Luke's shot in A New Hope is a credible step because earlier in the film we see Luke has some innate Force ability while he's training with the sparring orb, and Obi Wan explains how the Force works. Doesn't require any additional reading to understand that People's complaint with Rey is that despite showing some Force abilities she suddenly powers up out of nowhere in the final fight. This isn't Luke using the Force to guide his shot, it's Luke beating Vader one-on-one at the end of A New Hope rather than taking three movies to get to that point. That's too big a step to make. Now, I imagine the answer will probably be something along the lines of her being either Leia or Luke's daughter, and she's had her memory wiped to protect her from Ren and Snoke, but that's speculation. This is Luke trying to beat Vader if Vader didn't have 30 years of experience and had just been shot in the chest.
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