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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 16, 2015 20:27:30 GMT -5
Episode III was a film filled with cool and interesting moments that, sadly, were not tied together well, didn't explain much, and carried very little emotional weight, both due to the flaws of the first two prequel movies and its own flaws in its writing, pacing, direction, etc.
It absolutely does not match any film in the original trilogy; Return of the Jedi may be the weakest of the original three, but it benefits from inheriting the goodwill and emotional attachments created in Episodes IV and V, and its solid execution of the Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes leads to a solid catharsis for fans as it hits its climax and ending.
Episode III had the reverse problem; it was probably the strongest of the prequels, but since the first two films did next to nothing to build the audiences' emotional attachments to the story, universe, and characters, it just didn't carry any real weight behind its admittedly cool or potentially interesting moments. Like, the scenes where the newly dubbed Darth Vader begins the Jedi extermination? Brutal and potentially very moving, but not only did we not care about most of the Jedi who died, most people couldn't even really buy into Anakin's fall in the first place given how shakily it was pulled off.
So yeah; nice moments, interesting ideas, but lacking execution...and almost anything Red Letter Media said, too.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 16, 2015 20:34:14 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, screw Red Letter Media. It's a good movie TO ME, and it fits fine with the other bests in the franchise.
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Post by Starshine on Dec 16, 2015 20:37:18 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, screw Red Letter Media. It's a good movie TO ME, and it fits fine with the other bests in the franchise. What does RedLetterMedia have to do with your opinion? Do you tell everyone who doesn't share your opinion to screw off? |
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 16, 2015 20:53:54 GMT -5
"Execute Order 66"
"Yes sir, we'll unquestionably accept an order to kill our Jedi commanders from a scary looking guy in a hood whose relationship to us has not been established, because we've clearly explained to the audience that we've been genetically programmed to follow your commands no matter how insane they may be....except we haven't, and we've outlined logical reasons why the oh so wise Jedi would completely trust us, except we haven't done that either"
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 16, 2015 20:56:11 GMT -5
Like, the scenes where the newly dubbed Darth Vader begins the Jedi extermination? Brutal and potentially very moving, but not only did we not care about most of the Jedi who died, most people couldn't even really buy into Anakin's fall in the first place given how shakily it was pulled off. I'm as big a fan of Star Wars as most, and I couldn't even tell you the names of any of the Jedi killed during the Order 66 montage, much less give two shits about them. I understand you get to know most of them in the Clone Wars cartoon series, but it shouldn't be a requisite to watch 60 episodes of a cartoon to make a scene in a movie work on an emotional level. That's why I don't have an issue with Marvel's movies not acknowledging the existence of the TV shows, despite being set in the same continuity. Same goes for the slaughter of the younglings. You want to really give that scene some real weight and drive home just how brutal it is? Make one of those kids Anakin's apprentice. Let us see this kid develop a father-son/daughter relationship with Anakin, and then when Anakin turns that scene where he ignites his lightsaber as the scared kids cower becomes something truly heart-wrenching and terrifying. |
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Post by Starshine on Dec 16, 2015 21:04:28 GMT -5
What were orders 1-65 anyway?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 16, 2015 21:07:54 GMT -5
RLM has a good analysis, but their opinion doesn't affect mine. Sith is alright; very VERY flawed, but alright.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 16, 2015 22:47:28 GMT -5
I will say the one shot of now Vader leadin Clones in full on Nazi march looked badass. It belonged in a better movie. And Sith better than any of the originals? No way. Jedi may have been weakest of the 3; but is still way more fun. And as a pre-emptive "Jedi had Ewoks" response--the Ewoks are great. And their animated series wasn't bad either. Honestly, I think all of the prequels are decent sci-fi films on their own. As part of the Star Wars franchise next to the prior three films that had once-in-a-lifetime chemistry among its crew, they don't look so hot. But they're more disappointing due to high expectations than they are flat-out shit. |
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 16, 2015 23:05:03 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, screw Red Letter Media. It's a good movie TO ME, and it fits fine with the other bests in the franchise. What does RedLetterMedia have to do with your opinion? Do you tell everyone who doesn't share your opinion to screw off? They were brought up, and they made themselves famous off of using an annoying character like Mr. Plinkett to say stuff about Star Wars for an overlong review that had nothing that wasn't already expressed by previous critics. I just don't care for them. Why are you hot about it? |
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Post by Ryushinku on Dec 17, 2015 3:45:21 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me the way to the appreciation thread? I seem to have stumbled over the usual tired old kind instead  |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 17, 2015 3:57:22 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me the way to the appreciation thread? I seem to have stumbled over the usual tired old kind instead Since when has FAN ever had an appreciation thread that didn't turn into a debate over the pros and cons of whatever the thread is asking to be appreciated? |
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Dec 17, 2015 7:14:54 GMT -5
What does RedLetterMedia have to do with your opinion? Do you tell everyone who doesn't share your opinion to screw off? They were brought up, and they made themselves famous off of using an annoying character like Mr. Plinkett to say stuff about Star Wars for an overlong review that had nothing that wasn't already expressed by previous critics. I just don't care for them. Why are you hot about it? Yeah the character of Mr. Plinkett turns me off listening to the review. His voice just aggravates me. Is there any need to sound like Stallone in his 90s? Also at one point he started torturing some girl and I skipped ahead five minutes and he was still doing it. Just because he actually bothers to look at videos of the films actually being made doesn't mean he's suddenly the all knowing wise sage on everything that's wrong with the prequels. |
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 17, 2015 7:27:05 GMT -5
What were orders 1-65 anyway? I have it on good authority that Order 69 was * USER WAS BANNED* |
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Post by the2ndevil on Dec 17, 2015 8:09:12 GMT -5
"She has lost the will to live" That has always bothered me so much. She JUST said she knew there was still good in Anakin, and she just had her first children who should be more than enough to make her want to live. Padme was a horrible mother and wife. That has always bugged me, but I think it may be worth it for the Robot Chicken Star Wars special when Dr. Ball, MD mocked the line. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 17, 2015 8:12:56 GMT -5
If a remake was justified, this would be it. One movie, follow the ideas of the fan edits of the prequels. It's not that hard. I've said all along Lucas started Anakin's fall to the Dark Side far too late into the prequels. He and Obi Wan should've met (with Anakin already being a teenager) and developed a close friendship in Episode I, Anakin should've turned by the end of Episode II, and Episode III should've been Vader hunting the Jedi to extinction. I find it funny, a lot of people's criticisms of the J.J. Star Trek movies is that they're too much action and not enough science, morality plays, and political intrigue. In the Star Wars prequels there's way too much science, morality plays, and political intrigue, and not enough action. Good God I hate that design for Palpatine. Why did they have to grotesque him up when by the time Empire Strikes Back rolls around he looks exactly like he did before the fight with Windu? I thought the same thing about his face. I figured he actually looked like he did in ROTJ, but was using some tech/force magic to make himself look like a kindly old man in public. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 17, 2015 8:19:50 GMT -5
For the most part a great movie, but I was rather unsatisfied with how they portrayed Anakin finally giving in to the dark side. It just seemed like he rolled over way too easily; went from struggling to decide between right and wrong to "Okay, I'm gonna go kill the kiddies now"! That and I disliked how they made it out like Palpaltine's appearance was scarring from the force lighting. In his original appearance in Return of the Jedi, it was more like he was just so darn evil that it was eating away at his own body. Felt like kind of a cop out to come up with some other reason for it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 17, 2015 8:40:17 GMT -5
They were brought up, and they made themselves famous off of using an annoying character like Mr. Plinkett to say stuff about Star Wars for an overlong review that had nothing that wasn't already expressed by previous critics. I just don't care for them. Why are you hot about it? Yeah the character of Mr. Plinkett turns me off listening to the review. His voice just aggravates me. Is there any need to sound like Stallone in his 90s? Also at one point he started torturing some girl and I skipped ahead five minutes and he was still doing it. Just because he actually bothers to look at videos of the films actually being made doesn't mean he's suddenly the all knowing wise sage on everything that's wrong with the prequels. For me, it has more to do with his criticisms largely being pertinent and for the most part pretty well thought out. That doesn't mean one has to agree with them (as is the nature of criticism), but it's not haphazard and it makes some compelling cases. |
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 17, 2015 8:44:22 GMT -5
If I've learned anything the past few weeks it's that this movie is just as shit as Episode II and gets a major pass that it doesn't deserve.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 17, 2015 9:37:16 GMT -5
This seems as good of a place as any to share these- What If the Prequels Were Good? Basically a fan fiction re-telling of the prequels. Some REALLY good ideas in here. The changes all start with episode I so you kind of need to view them all, but his Episode III one just came out this week
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 17, 2015 9:38:15 GMT -5
Yeah the character of Mr. Plinkett turns me off listening to the review. His voice just aggravates me. Is there any need to sound like Stallone in his 90s? Also at one point he started torturing some girl and I skipped ahead five minutes and he was still doing it. Just because he actually bothers to look at videos of the films actually being made doesn't mean he's suddenly the all knowing wise sage on everything that's wrong with the prequels. For me, it has more to do with his criticisms largely being pertinent and for the most part pretty well thought out. That doesn't mean one has to agree with them (as is the nature of criticism), but it's not haphazard and it makes some compelling cases. I thought before that he ought to do a condensed more academic version of those videos that are actually shareable with people who would be highly offended by Mr. Plinkett, as the criticism is really spot on. |
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