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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 9:57:58 GMT -5
Meh. It's easily the best new one, but it's still hateable in a lot of regards. It's all overlookable enough though.
He really shouldn't have taken a sixteen year break.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 17, 2015 12:40:46 GMT -5
Yeah, again, there's just so much in the way of interesting ideas and hints at interesting directions, but it just doesn't connect the dots.
Like, I absolutely love the idea that Palpatine's rise to power and the fall of the Jedi were both largely triggered by the Jedi "losing their connection with the Force"; there's a huge possible story there of the Jedi forgetting the true path of the Force, treating it like an academic subject, coldly focusing on midichlorians and handling the politics of the Republic rather than embracing its full importance. I felt like that was being hinted at in the prequels, but it just didn't really get fleshed out at all, because it'd make the Jedi seem less cool or something.
I mean, think about the narrative possibilities; it'd give you an avenue for explaining Anakin's fall and his feeling that the Jedi are the evil ones; it'd fully show how a Sith lord could so easily dupe them and make himself into an emperor; and it'd make Yoda's monologue about how "my ally is the Force, and a power ally it is" in Empire seem all the more powerful, as he'd have gone to Dagobah as a way to fully reconnect.
Again, those pieces are there, but they're left sitting like an unfinished jigsaw puzzle.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 12:43:44 GMT -5
He really shouldn't have taken a sixteen year break. He really should've hired a full screenwriter, instead of a guy, whose name I've forgotten, who touched up the script.....heck, I think he maybe used Carrie Fisher at one point too to clean up dialogue?)
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Post by sternrogers01 on Dec 17, 2015 12:44:45 GMT -5
Having seen TFA, I very much prefer this one
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 17, 2015 14:08:28 GMT -5
He really shouldn't have taken a sixteen year break. He really should've hired a full screenwriter, instead of a guy, whose name I've forgotten, who touched up the script.....heck, I think he maybe used Carrie Fisher at one point too to clean up dialogue?) He really should have hired another director. Best original film? Empire which someone else directed, where it lost it's way? A guy taking masses of notes and direction from Lucas, after the first film it just became too big for him.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 17, 2015 18:55:17 GMT -5
If you remember for Episode 1 he wanting other people to direct but they kept turning him down. They told SW is his baby and he should direct
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 17, 2015 19:16:14 GMT -5
Not only that, I believe Lucas was not a member of the Director's Guild, so that limited the amount of guys who could have directed the films other than him
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 18, 2015 8:36:58 GMT -5
This seems as good of a place as any to share these- What If the Prequels Were Good? Basically a fan fiction re-telling of the prequels. Some REALLY good ideas in here. The changes all start with episode I so you kind of need to view them all, but his Episode III one just came out this week Just watched these; can't say I 100% agree with every choice the guy made (that'd almost be impossible to accomplish, anyway), but I dig what he's going for, and it really cements how it's the interactions and relationships between the characters in Star Wars that really do give it the lasting power it has. That, combined with the refusal to pick and really stick with a singular focus protagonist, really did hurt the prequels.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 18, 2015 10:55:08 GMT -5
This seems as good of a place as any to share these- What If the Prequels Were Good? Basically a fan fiction re-telling of the prequels. Some REALLY good ideas in here. The changes all start with episode I so you kind of need to view them all, but his Episode III one just came out this week Just watched these; can't say I 100% agree with every choice the guy made (that'd almost be impossible to accomplish, anyway), but I dig what he's going for, and it really cements how it's the interactions and relationships between the characters in Star Wars that really do give it the lasting power it has. That, combined with the refusal to pick and really stick with a singular focus protagonist, really did hurt the prequels. Which is really weird, after you see how he went about the making of the first one, using Joseph Campbell, bringing in a lot of story archetypes to make a focused, complete story. Then when he comes back he just ignores all the stuff he himself did to make a good story, instead playing with his new toys and making everything link to everything else till it made no sense.
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Post by Jiren on Dec 18, 2015 11:29:24 GMT -5
A few issues but overall I enjoy it
Shame the same can't be said for the others
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 18, 2015 11:56:51 GMT -5
Upon reflection, If I could delete one thing from the prequels it would be midichlorians.
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Post by corndog on Dec 18, 2015 13:12:14 GMT -5
He really should've hired a full screenwriter, instead of a guy, whose name I've forgotten, who touched up the script.....heck, I think he maybe used Carrie Fisher at one point too to clean up dialogue?) He really should have hired another director. Best original film? Empire which someone else directed, where it lost it's way? A guy taking masses of notes and direction from Lucas, after the first film it just became too big for him. That probably would have been the best idea, get someone else to direct the movie for him. Spielberg helped him storyboard the Vader/Obi-Wan lightsaber fight. Maybe he wanted Spielberg to do the project, but he rejected it. Then again, maybe Lucas wanted to do this one himself. I think a writer would have helped more than anything. Lucas is pretty weak at dialogue and that has been apparent since the first Star Wars. Either way, I still really enjoyed Revenge of the Sith as it gave me the things I actually wanted to see in the prequels, where-as the other two didn't. Even Lucas admitted that this was heavily based on the back story he originally wrote and the other two really weren't, he probably overextended himself making it three movies.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 18, 2015 14:17:34 GMT -5
Upon reflection, If I could delete one thing from the prequels it would be midichlorians. It was a completely unnecessary thing for Lucas to add to the screenplays. Had this exchange been part of the script... Qui-Gon - "The Force is strong with this child" Obi-Wan - "Yes, I have never sensed anyone as powerful" Qui-Gon - "Not even Master Yoda" *Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan look at each other with concern and caution" That would have sufficed, and preserved the mystery of the Force. Lucas is a fool.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 18, 2015 14:23:52 GMT -5
Upon reflection, If I could delete one thing from the prequels it would be midichlorians. It was a completely unnecessary thing for Lucas to add to the screenplays. Had this exchange been part of the script... Qui-Gon - "The Force is strong with this child" Obi-Wan - "Yes, I have never sensed anyone as powerful" Qui-Gon - "Not even Master Yoda" *Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan look at each other with concern and caution" That would have sufficed, and preserved the mystery of the Force. Lucas is a fool. Yes! In my head I always wanted the midiclorians to be nothing but a bullshit story Qui Gon said when he was testing Anakin's blood. Basically he wanted to get a DNA test to see if his mom wasn't just full of shit and Anakin's dad was some known Jedi that introduced Shimi Skywalker to the sexy side of the Force. Or he was just seeing if Anakin has space-AIDS before letting the dirty urchin on his ship and taking him back to infect the entire order. The midichlorian lie was just Qui Gon being the asshole he always was.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 18, 2015 14:28:33 GMT -5
As far as Shmi Skywalker is concerned, she shouldn't have been his mother at all. His true parentage should have stayed unexplained. The audience can form their own conclusions. Shmi should have been a kindly old lady who found him as an infant and took him in. In fact, neither of them should have been slaves at all, but perhaps just independent traders and mechanical tinkerers on Tatooine. That way, they could have ditched the entire pointless pod-racer shit. They crash land on Tatooine. Anakin helps them. Qui-Gon senses how powerful he is. Shmi says her goodbyes and eventually dies off-screen. Anakin leaves and becomes a Jedi.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 18, 2015 15:31:27 GMT -5
As far as Shmi Skywalker is concerned, she shouldn't have been his mother at all. His true parentage should have stayed unexplained. The audience can form their own conclusions. Shmi should have been a kindly old lady who found him as an infant and took him in. In fact, neither of them should have been slaves at all, but perhaps just independent traders and mechanical tinkerers on Tatooine. That way, they could have ditched the entire pointless pod-racer shit. They crash land on Tatooine. Anakin helps them. Qui-Gon senses how powerful he is. Shmi says her goodbyes and eventually dies off-screen. Anakin leaves and becomes a Jedi. I like the idea of him being a slave, it plays well (in theory) into him seeking justice and respect, that desire being twisted into a desire for power and vengeance, and ultimately it making him a slave to the Dark Side and the Emperor.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 18, 2015 16:09:36 GMT -5
As far as Shmi Skywalker is concerned, she shouldn't have been his mother at all. His true parentage should have stayed unexplained. The audience can form their own conclusions. Shmi should have been a kindly old lady who found him as an infant and took him in. In fact, neither of them should have been slaves at all, but perhaps just independent traders and mechanical tinkerers on Tatooine. That way, they could have ditched the entire pointless pod-racer shit. They crash land on Tatooine. Anakin helps them. Qui-Gon senses how powerful he is. Shmi says her goodbyes and eventually dies off-screen. Anakin leaves and becomes a Jedi. I like the idea of him being a slave, it plays well (in theory) into him seeking justice and respect, that desire being twisted into a desire for power and vengeance, and ultimately it making him a slave to the Dark Side and the Emperor. So basically make him Magneto. Better than what really happened.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 18, 2015 16:39:12 GMT -5
It was funny how Anakin supposedly had an explosive in his head to prevent him from escaping from slavery, yet he was able to fly his podracer miles out into the Tatooine wastelands with his head intact.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 16:55:42 GMT -5
Upon reflection, If I could delete one thing from the prequels it would be midichlorians. It was a completely unnecessary thing for Lucas to add to the screenplays. Had this exchange been part of the script... Qui-Gon - "The Force is strong with this child" Obi-Wan - "Yes, I have never sensed anyone as powerful" Qui-Gon - "Not even Master Yoda" *Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan look at each other with concern and caution" That would have sufficed, and preserved the mystery of the Force. Lucas is a fool. Lucas adding something unnecessary to a Star Wars film? Surely you jest.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Dec 18, 2015 17:06:01 GMT -5
I would't mind Anakin and his mom being slave if they actually showed how horrible that life style is. Instead they live in a comfy. spacious house, get full meals, and all Anakin does is menial chores. How traumatizing that must be.
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