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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 18, 2015 17:16:44 GMT -5
Anakin had enough spare time to build a robot and maintain a career as a racing driver.
Just like Kunte Kinte
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 19, 2015 12:23:44 GMT -5
It was a completely unnecessary thing for Lucas to add to the screenplays. Had this exchange been part of the script... Qui-Gon - "The Force is strong with this child" Obi-Wan - "Yes, I have never sensed anyone as powerful" Qui-Gon - "Not even Master Yoda" *Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan look at each other with concern and caution" That would have sufficed, and preserved the mystery of the Force. Lucas is a fool. Yes! In my head I always wanted the midiclorians to be nothing but a bullshit story Qui Gon said when he was testing Anakin's blood. Basically he wanted to get a DNA test to see if his mom wasn't just full of shit and Anakin's dad was some known Jedi that introduced Shimi Skywalker to the sexy side of the Force. Or he was just seeing if Anakin has space-AIDS before letting the dirty urchin on his ship and taking him back to infect the entire order. The midichlorian lie was just Qui Gon being the asshole he always was. I still feel like it could have worked if they were part of a larger story concerning the Jedi losing touch with the true nature of the Force. Yoda mentions that Qui-Gon is a "defiant" Jedi, which should imply that he has a habit of going against the Council, maybe that he's a bit of a hippy-Jedi, a guy who has all of the best intentions and may be the more "pure" of the Jedi but that he has some issues with authority and conventional wisdom. That being the case, why not have a scene where they check for Anakin's midichlorians, but have Qui-Gon make it known that he feels this attempt to quantify the Force is counterproductive, that regardless of what it says about Anakin he can still sense and feel Anakin's incredible sensitivity to the Force? Why not have, say, some of the Council members or even Obi-Wan tell him he's picking battles he shouldn't pick, but have Yoda tell him in private that he thinks Qui-Gon may be on to something, that Yoda's been noticing that the Jedi are beginning to lose their full connection with the living Force? You could then set the stage for a story arc where it's revealed that, yes, the Jedi are falling apart from the inside, that yes, eventually Anakin does have a reason to be angry with them and a reason to want to "repair" the Order before he falls to the dark side...it creates a new perspective and at least a new potential storyline angle. Unfortunately, a huge problem with the prequels is a problem that modern WWE has: the good guys must always look cool, and must rarely seem threatened by anything (e.g. the super useless battle droids the Trade Federation/Separatists have) because then they may not look cool or unstoppable, or sell as many toys.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 19, 2015 12:27:18 GMT -5
Lucas took a concept rooted in the mystic and reduced it to bloodwork. That alone was the stupidest thing he ever did with the prequels. Piss poor romance, terrible dialogue, boring politics etc....were bad, but to fundamentally undermine the entire notion of the Force was beyond the pale.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 19, 2015 12:33:13 GMT -5
Yeah, that's why I think playing it as an example of the Jedi losing their way was the only way to make it work. Qui-Gon could say "this is ridiculous, you cannot quantify a true connection with the living Force", have the Council tell him to shut his trap, that this is the most efficient way of doing business, and eventually it becomes another sign that the Jedi are an old, stuck in their way organization that were ripe to be easily manipulated by somebody like Palpatine. Yoda would then exile himself to Dagobah to refocus on becoming attuned to the living Force, giving more weight to his monologue in Empire Strikes Back.
Instead, they were introduced, mentioned and explained, and basically ruined everything with nothing to indicate it was wrongheaded.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Dec 19, 2015 12:48:55 GMT -5
Upon reflection, If I could delete one thing from the prequels it would be midichlorians. Lucas is a fool. Without that fool you wouldn't have Star Wars. I'd rather have interesting failures than retreads like TFA.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 19, 2015 12:52:32 GMT -5
Without that fool you wouldn't have Star Wars. Sorry, but crap like this just makes me boil. The guy shouldn't be vilified like this for experimental creative choices, hell I'd rather have interesting failures than retreads like TFA. Yes, he had the initial spark, like Gene Roddenberry did with Trek and Vince with WWE. No one denies that. However bringing it to fruition required other talented people, like Kurtz, Kasden, Kershner, Marquand etc... None of them did it alone. When left to his own devices with complete control and authority, he delivered three terrible films. Major plotholes, terrible dialogue and stilted direction are not experimental choices. They are simply bad choices that would not have been made had he not surrounded himself with yes-men unwilling to challenge him, and then showing petulance when faced with actual criticism.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 19, 2015 12:59:38 GMT -5
Who's the more foolish; the fool or the fool who follows him?
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 19, 2015 13:00:28 GMT -5
Who's the more foolish; the fool or the fool who follows him? Rick McCullum
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 19, 2015 13:07:35 GMT -5
Who's the more foolish; the fool or the fool who follows him? Rick McCullum It was pretty great to see a Star Wars movie and not see his name anywhere.
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Post by walterharrow on Dec 19, 2015 13:07:55 GMT -5
Its by far the best of the prequels, and I would probably rank it alongside Return of the Jedi in joint fourth place. The dialogue is still horrible at times as is some of the acting but there is still a lot to like. Ewan McGregor is fantastic as Obi Wan (some may disagree but I actually like his younger version more than Alec Guinness'). Ian McDiarmid gives his best performance in the series. Samuel L Jackson is badass as Mace Windu (one of my personal favourite characters). The action is fun even when its over the top, including some great lightsaber battles. The music is great.
I would rank them like this (after watching The Force Awakens for a second time)
Empire Stirkes Back - A New Hope - The Force Awakens - Revenge of the Sith/Return of the Jedi - Attack of the Clones - The Phantom Menace
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 19, 2015 16:51:18 GMT -5
I think the greatest casualty of the prequels is Hayden Christensen. I mean, a lot of critical heft has gone toward the general quality of dialogue in the prequels, but as to which of its actors took the blow professionally, you could point to Christensen. Portman, Neeson and McGregor had good careers beforehand, and being relatively established as names to the fact, it's then unfortunate that the one guy who actually needed the launch in the prequels essentially had a shadow placed over his career instead.
I mean, if you watch Christensen in Shattered Glass, his work is flat-up mesmerizing and suitably cleanses the palate of a lot of misguided work done with Anakin.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 19, 2015 16:55:55 GMT -5
I dunno, poor ol Jake Lloyd got it pretty bad as well. At least Hayden didn't have to go through high school and such afterward.
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Post by Wolfman Rose on Dec 19, 2015 17:25:41 GMT -5
Man, I'd forgotten "appreciation thread" meant "Hey everyone, come in and shit on the topic".
Never change, FAN.
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Post by LuchaBella on Dec 19, 2015 22:27:00 GMT -5
I think the greatest casualty of the prequels is Hayden Christensen. I mean, a lot of critical heft has gone toward the general quality of dialogue in the prequels, but as to which of its actors took the blow professionally, you could point to Christensen. Portman, Neeson and McGregor had good careers beforehand, and being relatively established as names to the fact, it's then unfortunate that the one guy who actually needed the launch in the prequels essentially had a shadow placed over his career instead. I mean, if you watch Christensen in Shattered Glass, his work is flat-up mesmerizing and suitably cleanses the palate of a lot of misguided work done with Anakin. Hayden was very one note. I always hoped that something would spark a little bit of emotion in his face or voice, but it never happened. That said, I really like this movie, for all that'd good and bad about it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 19, 2015 22:56:03 GMT -5
Man, I'd forgotten "appreciation thread" meant "Hey everyone, come in and shit on the topic". Never change, FAN. It's just too tempting. If it was all gushing praise with people saying shit like "hey, remember that bit when Anakin murders children because Palpatine vaguely promised him something about saving his wife.....that was great writing!", someone like me would be reading it reacting like Roger Rabbit hearing Shave and A Haircut. If someone really loves something like the Star Wars prequels, they should at least be prepared to defend their reasoning why.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 19, 2015 23:28:02 GMT -5
Man, I'd forgotten "appreciation thread" meant "Hey everyone, come in and shit on the topic". Never change, FAN. It's just too tempting. If it was all gushing praise with people saying shit like "hey, remember that bit when Anakin murders children because Palpatine vaguely promised him something about saving his wife.....that was great writing!", someone like me would be reading it reacting like Roger Rabbit hearing Shave and A Haircut. If someone really loves something like the Star Wars prequels, they should at least be prepared to defend their reasoning why. And judging from the number of positive posts if this thread were just people appreciating ROTS it would've had about a dozen posts from half a dozen people and died a quick death. There are things worth appreciating, but you have to dig through a lot of shit to find them.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Dec 20, 2015 3:11:53 GMT -5
Just watched it tonight for the first time in ten years, still really enjoyed it! I'm not a fan of episode 1 or 2, but 3 really works for me. Such a unique and weirdly gripping movie, Palpatine is almost like Dracula or something (ironic with Chris Lee there I know), it's really well done the way he seduces Anakin to the dark side. Even before he told Anakin that he had powers and knowledge.
And in general it's just a crazy over-the-top spectacle of Shakespearean proportions, but with kooky stuff like a big lizard steed. It's not in the style of my beloved OG trilogy, but I look at this movie as it's own thing, and yessir I appreciate Revenge of the Sith. Only seen it three times, but hey that's pretty solid for me compared to most films. Definitely a unique flick.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 16:41:40 GMT -5
Having watched this on a SW marathon before going to The Force Awakens, I have to say I still think it's a good movie. Despite some really dopey stuff like "blinded by love" and "lost the will to live," I feel like the good outweighs the bad. The cinematography is excellent, John Williams delivered as usual, the Obi Wan/Vader duel was one of the best in the series, and I really felt the gravitas towards the end of the movie, which I can't say about the other two prequels.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 20, 2015 16:48:52 GMT -5
"You....are....so.....bea...u...tiful"
"It's only because I'm so in love"
"No...it's.....because....I'm so in love with.....you"
"So love has blinded you?"
"Hur hur....no.....hur hur"
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 20, 2015 20:58:19 GMT -5
I'm so happy people are pointing out just how stupid it was to undermine the mystery behind the Force. Both Obi Wan and Yoda mentioned that it's something that exists but we can't see it, and it works in the most mysterious of ways. It can go light at times, it can go dark in others, it can fade away for a long time, and it can "awaken." You can't just do a simple blood test to determine it's will. It works on it's own time and terms. People who have tried to make it work for them have destroyed themselves and their own humanity(Nihilus, Sideous, Vader, Snoke, etc.) Yet, in the prequels, the Jedi do exactly that and there's no obvious ramifications for doing so.
I don't get it.
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