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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 23, 2015 12:35:08 GMT -5
Imagine the reaction if HHH beat down Renee Young.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 17:15:45 GMT -5
Imagine the reaction if HHH beat down Renee Young. What about the time Austin beat the crap out of Lita and stunned Stacy. Or Orton giving Stacy the RKO. What was the backlash like at that time?
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 23, 2015 17:26:49 GMT -5
Imagine the reaction if HHH beat down Renee Young. Juuuuuuuuust a bit of a different circumstance, no? I know for me that what I don't like when I hear about angles like this is how WWE just seems to drive home that anybody related to the McMahons is overpowered and causes all around them to quake in fear. In this particular situation, I get it: Phillips is an interviewer, not a wrestler, but even then, in a company of supposedly highly trained combat athletes, so many wrestlers are depicted as living in fear of the McMahons, both in terms of fearing for their job safety and their physical well being. You know, the untrained, decidedly not professional wrestler McMahons (I know, they've likely had some real life training, but we're talking kayfabe characters, here). Part of what made Austin vs. McMahon so appealing was that Vince was a complete goof, who could only get one up on Austin by using his money to buy favors and loyalty from people. Once it became "Vince McMahon: Alpha Male Business Professional", the game was lost, in my book. Steph only makes it worse because, as is so often said here, Vince at least gets himself beaten up or humiliated pretty often if it works for business, while Stephanie is almost never made to deal with the consequences of her actions, especially given how they book all the Divas to be afraid of her.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 11:43:58 GMT -5
Looks like she legit hurt Tom.
Geez.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 24, 2015 11:45:06 GMT -5
She beat his ass like he was Scut Farkus.
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Post by Mama Rhodes Looking @ U Now on Dec 24, 2015 14:16:47 GMT -5
Shades of Homicide slapping Corino in to the next dimension.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 14:20:40 GMT -5
Looks like she legit hurt Tom. Geez. Looks to be all a work. Phillips will do an interview, then collapse, then return to the grand daddy of them all, Wrestlemania and achieve his boyhood dream of interviewing the Intercontinental Champion backstage.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 24, 2015 14:33:11 GMT -5
Imagine the reaction if HHH beat down Renee Young. What about the time Austin beat the crap out of Lita and stunned Stacy. Or Orton giving Stacy the RKO. What was the backlash like at that time? Both were shocking but made sense in the context of how they were portrayed. With each, I think an in-story justification could be made that both guys were increasingly unhinged or ruthless and this was the point of no return. Even the commentators sold it as being beyond the pale. With Stephanie it's been an ongoing problem that she can get away with abusive behaviour for years, and there will be no consequences. No one will give a shit.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 24, 2015 14:46:27 GMT -5
I think some are missing the point.
No-one is mad that Steph had a Kick the Dog moment. That's good, heels should do stuff like that.
But with Steph, nobody gets to get one back over on her unless it's someone like The Rock who aint playing that shit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 15:33:42 GMT -5
What about the time Austin beat the crap out of Lita and stunned Stacy. Or Orton giving Stacy the RKO. What was the backlash like at that time? Both were shocking but made sense in the context of how they were portrayed. With each, I think an in-story justification could be made that both guys were increasingly unhinged or ruthless and this was the point of no return. Even the commentators sold it as being beyond the pale. With Stephanie it's been an ongoing problem that she can get away with abusive behaviour for years, and there will be no consequences. No one will give a shit. I don't remember the Orton/Stacy incident, but on the Austin/Lita angle, I remember JR going ballistic on commentary, and then the following week Taker/Kane saved the Hardys and started a feud with Austin/HHH. So not only was it portrayed as heinous by the commentary, but it lead to their next storyline. I think male on female violence has a place in wrestling as long as it's used as an effective plot device. Jake slapping Elizabeth, for example. Even the opposite (female on male violence) with the male not wanting to hit back can be effective if it leads to a female babyface saving the male babyfaces from the heel. The problem with Stephanie's character is that it doesn't lead anywhere. She gets to stroke her own ego using her TV persona and the character never has to pay for it. It's just terrible writing, and probably the worst heel work in the history of wrestling. Seriously. Look throughout history. Name another heel, male or female, who was portrayed this way. Any wrestling promotion that cared about protecting its characters and making money would have never let a heel get away with that stuff, especially if it made their babyfaces look bad. Yet, here we are. On another note, if Stephanie really does hurt men with her hard slaps, then that's wrong. It's fake and leading no where in the storyline. There's no reason for her to be stiff with the slaps.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 15:43:55 GMT -5
The whole thing is strange/stupid.
If Phillips was particularly adored by fans, then Steph smacking him around would actually have some kind of impact.
But that guy is fine at his job, but for the most part he's just furniture for WWE wrestlers to play off of, Steph beating him up has no real emotional impact with most of the audience.
Yet another example of WWE being the worst place to work.
In the past 5 years or so the company has transformed from "WWE is the premier sports entertainment brand where the best come to wrestle!" to "This job sucks, the work environment is dangerous and the bosses are abusive and aren't looking out for anyone's safety."
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Dec 24, 2015 19:05:18 GMT -5
I think some are missing the point. No-one is mad that Steph had a Kick the Dog moment. That's good, heels should do stuff like that. But with Steph, nobody gets to get one back over on her unless it's someone like The Rock who aint playing that shit. Even then, the Rock didn't really get one over until he brought Ronda Rousey into the ring.
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 24, 2015 19:21:44 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon is such a horrible human being, it makes me sick.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 24, 2015 20:27:26 GMT -5
Looks like she legit hurt Tom. Geez. * cue Big Cass singing "In the Arms of an Angel" *
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 24, 2015 20:27:55 GMT -5
They need to stop with the stiff slaps. People can easily get concussed from stuff like that.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 24, 2015 23:29:30 GMT -5
They need to stop with the stiff slaps. People can easily get concussed from stuff like that.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 26, 2015 14:18:16 GMT -5
They need to stop with the stiff slaps. People can easily get concussed from stuff like that. I'm sure Tom knew what he was getting into by agreeing to the segment. He saw the slaps she gave Roman-- they were honestly no more or less stiff. It gives Tom his first official storyline on primetime RAW television. I'm sure he's more than okay with it, given what the other WWE Superstars go through as far as their injuries go in order to entertain fans. And for all the bellyaching against Steph in this thread, she's definitely entertaining SOMEONE in the audience. Mostly the little girls like Bayley's Superfan on NXT who might find some kinda karmic justice in a powerful woman owning the testicles of all of her male employees without any repercussions. I personally enjoyed it for rather lewd reasons, but to each their own.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 26, 2015 14:54:01 GMT -5
Did people get this upset when Rock humiliated Kevin Kelly? Did Kevin, or Cole, or Coach, get revenge on him even once? Granted, Kevin Kelly's a piece of garbage, but otherwise. Thing is though, Rock often was beaten down by someone. Steph getting one-upped is too few and far between.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Dec 26, 2015 14:54:57 GMT -5
Imagine the reaction if HHH beat down Renee Young. Juuuuuuuuust a bit of a different circumstance, no? I know for me that what I don't like when I hear about angles like this is how WWE just seems to drive home that anybody related to the McMahons is overpowered and causes all around them to quake in fear. In this particular situation, I get it: Phillips is an interviewer, not a wrestler, but even then, in a company of supposedly highly trained combat athletes, so many wrestlers are depicted as living in fear of the McMahons, both in terms of fearing for their job safety and their physical well being. You know, the untrained, decidedly not professional wrestler McMahons (I know, they've likely had some real life training, but we're talking kayfabe characters, here). Part of what made Austin vs. McMahon so appealing was that Vince was a complete goof, who could only get one up on Austin by using his money to buy favors and loyalty from people. Once it became "Vince McMahon: Alpha Male Business Professional", the game was lost, in my book. Steph only makes it worse because, as is so often said here, Vince at least gets himself beaten up or humiliated pretty often if it works for business, while Stephanie is almost never made to deal with the consequences of her actions, especially given how they book all the Divas to be afraid of her. Also Austin used to terrorize Mcmahon and do things like "ruin" the Mike Tyson segment and pull a "gun" on him. What made Steph hate Reigns anyway? It's just their bizarre need to be evil and the centre of attention. Reigns isn't even a renegade or a rebel. The Bryan angle made sense because he was legit not being used and he was a short, normal, scruffy guy trying to get a push and he wasn't "marketable". Reigns is EXACTLY the big handsome guy they wished Bryan was and is the obvious golden boy.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 26, 2015 14:58:57 GMT -5
Juuuuuuuuust a bit of a different circumstance, no? I know for me that what I don't like when I hear about angles like this is how WWE just seems to drive home that anybody related to the McMahons is overpowered and causes all around them to quake in fear. In this particular situation, I get it: Phillips is an interviewer, not a wrestler, but even then, in a company of supposedly highly trained combat athletes, so many wrestlers are depicted as living in fear of the McMahons, both in terms of fearing for their job safety and their physical well being. You know, the untrained, decidedly not professional wrestler McMahons (I know, they've likely had some real life training, but we're talking kayfabe characters, here). Part of what made Austin vs. McMahon so appealing was that Vince was a complete goof, who could only get one up on Austin by using his money to buy favors and loyalty from people. Once it became "Vince McMahon: Alpha Male Business Professional", the game was lost, in my book. Steph only makes it worse because, as is so often said here, Vince at least gets himself beaten up or humiliated pretty often if it works for business, while Stephanie is almost never made to deal with the consequences of her actions, especially given how they book all the Divas to be afraid of her. Also Austin used to terrorize Mcmahon and do things like "ruin" the Mike Tyson segment and pull a "gun" on him. What made Steph hate Reigns anyway? It's just their bizarre need to be evil and the centre of attention. Reigns isn't even a renegade or a rebel. The Bryan angle made sense because he was legit not being used and he was a short, normal, scruffy guy trying to get a push and he wasn't "marketable". Reigns is EXACTLY the big handsome guy they wished Bryan was and is the obvious golden boy. Reigns is 1/3 of The Shield, the three guys who used to be the Authority's Elite Guard back when they were beating up Bryan who walked out on them and screwed up HHH's plans for Bryan just because they didn't like Kane.
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