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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 24, 2015 9:48:27 GMT -5
From the latest Wrestling Observer:
Everybody loves The Big Dog.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 24, 2015 9:55:33 GMT -5
I like the idea of the locker room culture being a lot more supportive and a lot less backstabby.
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Post by Chiral on Dec 24, 2015 10:19:31 GMT -5
I like the idea of the locker room culture being a lot more supportive and a lot less backstabby. I remember a quote from I think Kofi Kingston a few years back, where he said something like "There isn't a lot of politics among the newer generation of guys, we mostly just play video games."
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 24, 2015 10:21:37 GMT -5
I think even potentially jealous guys realize that Reigns not getting over is a detriment to business. If he isn't over as champion, then how can they get over by feuding with him or turning on him, or anything?
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Post by audiencewatching on Dec 24, 2015 10:23:38 GMT -5
And this is probably why Vince doesn't perceive them as brass ring grabbers. You could argue both locker room ways are better.
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Post by salvatoresincere on Dec 24, 2015 10:57:20 GMT -5
I like the idea of the locker room culture being a lot more supportive and a lot less backstabby. I remember a quote from I think Kofi Kingston a few years back, where he said something like "There isn't a lot of politics among the newer generation of guys, we mostly just play video games." And this is exactly why wrestling has devolved to the level it's at now, with the scripted promos, the 50/50 booking, storylines built up and dropped for no reason. Wrestlers have no balls, they just do what they're told and collect the cash. Just watch the McMahon podcast with Austin, it's so obvious that he looks at his entire roster as a bunch of spineless chumps except for Cena. Probably feels that way about Cena too but he brings in so much cash, he automatically gets respect from the boss. Now they're digging into the Roman Reigns mine looking for gold. Who's going to object to that? I want to see more guys that are pissed off, legit or kayfabe, and want the damn belt!
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 24, 2015 11:04:12 GMT -5
Unsurprising. I honestly wonder if some of it is people believing he does have the potential to make WWE a lot of money. Part of why Hogan had the belt as long as he did in the 80s is because the perception was that he was the biggest draw. If your top star does big business, YOU do big business. It's also why Regal has said in the past that he never wanted a world title. It is a tremendous amount of responsibility, and resentment does manifest if people think you're tanking, because it's everyone's problem when business is down.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 24, 2015 11:12:55 GMT -5
And this is probably why Vince doesn't perceive them as brass ring grabbers. You could argue both locker room ways are better. Also part of why (along with the bad writing) they have trouble with promos. They can't bring themselves to dislike a guy enough backstage, or want to protect their spot enough to really dig deep and destroy a guy's character (or even more, their personal integrity) to the point where the audience and office can no longer take them as a threat to a higher guy's spot. There's no emotion there anymore. Punk was the last guy they had that was willing to do that to someone (usually the Miz) on the mic. Though Owens has the potential to be that guy.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 24, 2015 11:16:19 GMT -5
The best and worst things about wrestling are politicking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 11:53:48 GMT -5
the entire locker room likes to kick that shiznit Big Doggystyle.
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Post by Mama Rhodes Looking @ U Now on Dec 24, 2015 12:40:16 GMT -5
How you gonna hate this guy?
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Post by Dub H on Dec 24, 2015 12:45:19 GMT -5
I like the idea of the locker room culture being a lot more supportive and a lot less backstabby. I remember a quote from I think Kofi Kingston a few years back, where he said something like "There isn't a lot of politics among the newer generation of guys, we mostly just play video games." Lazy Millenials
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 12:46:22 GMT -5
He's one of the "leaders of the new school", has a daughter he heavily supports, he's dealing with a lot of backlash, does whatever he's told, how can anyone dislike the guy?
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Post by gr1990 on Dec 24, 2015 12:49:26 GMT -5
I always say this whenever it's brought up: I can never understand why the old backstabby, politicking, carny ways of wrestling are so fetishised (aside from fans feeling smug knowing who has heat with who). They're so childish and must be hell to be a part of if you fall foul of them. I'd much rather the locker room be a group of nerds who all get along and play video games together after the show rather than going out and drinking and drugging themselves into an early grave. It's not the wrestlers' fault that Vince perceives that as a lack of drive and ambition. It should make it EASIER to make interesting programming because there aren't a load of huge egos walking around and refusing to do anything that doesn't end with them on top.
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Post by horseface on Dec 24, 2015 13:01:55 GMT -5
As someone really iffy on Reigns as the top guy...
Good.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 24, 2015 13:09:10 GMT -5
UPDATE: Roman forgot to shake someone's hand backstage and now is universally hated and has nuclear heatz
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 24, 2015 13:18:07 GMT -5
"NO MORE MR GOOD GUY!!!"
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Post by horseface on Dec 24, 2015 13:26:31 GMT -5
And this is probably why Vince doesn't perceive them as brass ring grabbers. You could argue both locker room ways are better. Also part of why (along with the bad writing) they have trouble with promos. They can't bring themselves to dislike a guy enough backstage, or want to protect their spot enough to really dig deep and destroy a guy's character (or even more, their personal integrity) to the point where the audience and office can no longer take them as a threat to a higher guy's spot. There's no emotion there anymore. Punk was the last guy they had that was willing to do that to someone (usually the Miz) on the mic. Though Owens has the potential to be that guy. I strongly disagree there is no emotion. There's clearly emotion and desire for the belt(remember Rollins' "Thank you so much" to Reigns at WM) it's just not manifesting itself in the same crab-bucket mentality it did in the past, much to Vince's chagrin. A more friendly backstage environment allows for a better rotation of "top guys" when there's not a Hulk Hogan trying to undermine everyone he perceives as a threat. And you can even have someone like Reigns be fine with eventually giving up that spot to another guy who is catching fire. Vince is just too attached to his "one strong champion above all the others" wrestling ideology. Austin gave some pretty scathing promos toward a guy like Bret Hart but it's not like there was any real animosity between those two guys. The talent is the least of the problems WWE is facing right now. I don't see how anyone can argue these guys aren't busting their asses. But in so many cases they are just set up to fail.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 24, 2015 13:27:28 GMT -5
I like the idea of the locker room culture being a lot more supportive and a lot less backstabby. I remember a quote from I think Kofi Kingston a few years back, where he said something like "There isn't a lot of politics among the newer generation of guys, we mostly just play video games." Which makes sense: this isn't the territory era anymore, where you were a personal brand and commodity and had to preserve your image at all costs to ensure your marketability. A lot of that way of thinking bled into the Hulkamania/Monday Night Wars era, since so many of the guys in those times also grew out of the territory days, when there was no real reason to worry about preserving the image of the company you were currently getting booked in...after all, if something bad happened to them, you could pick up stakes and start over somewhere else. In this era of consolidation and national platforms, wrestlers have more of a vested interest in working together to make a strong product; if WWE goes under because you're trying to get yourself over and make more money, it could be a financial disaster for everybody (see: WCW). This isn't to say nobody politicks anymore, or that guys should just roll over and be doormats for awful storylines or gimmicks, but there's far less incentive to go into business for yourself.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Dec 24, 2015 13:56:02 GMT -5
Caring about your coworkers/friends/colleagues = cool cool cool (Vince: "lazy soft millenials!")
Politicking/manipulating/badmouthing your coworkers etc (see Hogan, Nash, 90's Shawn) = assholes (Vince: "DETERMINATION AND FIRE! BEAUTIFUL!")
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