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Post by BRV on Jan 4, 2016 15:04:55 GMT -5
You don't need to declare him guilty or innocent, but to altogether ignore a major news story and arguably the biggest sports news story of the moment, is embarrassing. It just continues to show how deep in the tank guys like Nantz and Phil Simms are for Peyton Manning.
Manning's name has been linked, however tenuously, to a performance-enhancing drugs. That's not a "non-story". During Super Bowl XLIX, neither Al Michaels or Cris Collinsworth said "Tom Brady's guilty of deflating footballs!" nor did they say, "He's an innocent man being railroaded by a corrupt league!" But they at least acknowledged the story and its impact on Brady.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 4, 2016 15:13:22 GMT -5
Da Sports Pope showed once more why he's New Yawk's Numbah One sports guy.
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Post by bluemeii on Jan 4, 2016 15:14:41 GMT -5
You don't need to declare him guilty or innocent, but to altogether ignore a major news story and arguably the biggest sports news story of the moment, is embarrassing. It just continues to show how deep in the tank guys like Nantz and Phil Simms are for Peyton Manning. Manning's name has been linked, however tenuously, to a performance-enhancing drugs. That's not a "non-story". During Super Bowl XLIX, neither Al Michaels or Cris Collinsworth said "Tom Brady's guilty of deflating footballs!" nor did they say, "He's an innocent man being railroaded by a corrupt league!" But they at least acknowledged the story and its impact on Brady. Sigh...I keep asking you this man but where's the link. There is none. He is correct though, to continue to bring up a non story just adds credence to it. If there was anything at all linking him to taking or receiving HGH you honestly don't think the sharks would be out about this. When the only source to this story says, nah man he never received nor used, and the reporting agency went on TV adamantly denying any insinuation nor allegation that he received or used HGH it pretty much puts this in the "non-story" category unless something else comes up. All we know is his wife Ashley, for whatever reason, has HGH shipped to her. Peyton has come straight out and admitted that fact. The reporter for Al-Jazeera admitted that fact. He said he didn't use it and they said they never said he did either. I honestly don't blame him and his wife for not saying what it's for. My wife gets 8 different meds shipped to her monthly, 3 of which are on the NFL banned list. (Not saying I'm getting tested, just know how it is when your SO is on meds like that) Know what, it's no ones business why she has to take it, and I sure as shit don't blame Peyton and his wife for believing the same way. We as a public have no damn business delving that deep into ones personal life and medical history just to justify some heresy based report where the only witness recanted everything he said just to appease what appears to be one teams fan base and what they feel were previous injustices done to them.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 4, 2016 20:09:54 GMT -5
The NFL has now taken a look into the story
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 4, 2016 20:25:06 GMT -5
The NFL has now taken a look into the story Maybe certain media outlets (ESPN) and fawning lapdogs (Nantz/Simms) might actually talk about it.
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Post by BRV on Jan 4, 2016 20:51:54 GMT -5
Sigh...I keep asking you this man but where's the link. There is none. He is correct though, to continue to bring up a non story just adds credence to it. If there was anything at all linking him to taking or receiving HGH you honestly don't think the sharks would be out about this. When the only source to this story says, nah man he never received nor used, and the reporting agency went on TV adamantly denying any insinuation nor allegation that he received or used HGH it pretty much puts this in the "non-story" category unless something else comes up. All we know is his wife Ashley, for whatever reason, has HGH shipped to her. Peyton has come straight out and admitted that fact. The reporter for Al-Jazeera admitted that fact. He said he didn't use it and they said they never said he did either. I honestly don't blame him and his wife for not saying what it's for. My wife gets 8 different meds shipped to her monthly, 3 of which are on the NFL banned list. (Not saying I'm getting tested, just know how it is when your SO is on meds like that) Know what, it's no ones business why she has to take it, and I sure as shit don't blame Peyton and his wife for believing the same way. We as a public have no damn business delving that deep into ones personal life and medical history just to justify some heresy based report where the only witness recanted everything he said just to appease what appears to be one teams fan base and what they feel were previous injustices done to them. I get that you want to protect your quarterback from baseless reports and from people who are out to crucify him for something he probably didn't do. I know what that's like. I just spent the better part of the last year doing the exact same thing. But with Al-Jazeera saying that they have a second source who has additionally confirmed the report, this story isn't going away. You can question its validity, but it's not going away, especially if the Broncos advance to the Super Bowl and the global media descends upon Santa Clara. Look at it this way: if HGH was shipped to Tom Brady's home under Gisele Bundchen's name, do you honestly think that Phil Simms, Jim Nantz, Boomer Esiason, and the whole of ESPN would be falling all over themselves to denounce the report and call it a "non-story"?
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jan 4, 2016 23:40:33 GMT -5
If Bewitched ever recast the role of Gladys Kravitz, it would hands down go to some of you folks.
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Post by bluemeii on Jan 5, 2016 1:39:38 GMT -5
Sigh...I keep asking you this man but where's the link. There is none. He is correct though, to continue to bring up a non story just adds credence to it. If there was anything at all linking him to taking or receiving HGH you honestly don't think the sharks would be out about this. When the only source to this story says, nah man he never received nor used, and the reporting agency went on TV adamantly denying any insinuation nor allegation that he received or used HGH it pretty much puts this in the "non-story" category unless something else comes up. All we know is his wife Ashley, for whatever reason, has HGH shipped to her. Peyton has come straight out and admitted that fact. The reporter for Al-Jazeera admitted that fact. He said he didn't use it and they said they never said he did either. I honestly don't blame him and his wife for not saying what it's for. My wife gets 8 different meds shipped to her monthly, 3 of which are on the NFL banned list. (Not saying I'm getting tested, just know how it is when your SO is on meds like that) Know what, it's no ones business why she has to take it, and I sure as shit don't blame Peyton and his wife for believing the same way. We as a public have no damn business delving that deep into ones personal life and medical history just to justify some heresy based report where the only witness recanted everything he said just to appease what appears to be one teams fan base and what they feel were previous injustices done to them. I get that you want to protect your quarterback from baseless reports and from people who are out to crucify him for something he probably didn't do. I know what that's like. I just spent the better part of the last year doing the exact same thing. But with Al-Jazeera saying that they have a second source who has additionally confirmed the report, this story isn't going away. You can question its validity, but it's not going away, especially if the Broncos advance to the Super Bowl and the global media descends upon Santa Clara. Look at it this way: if HGH was shipped to Tom Brady's home under Gisele Bundchen's name, do you honestly think that Phil Simms, Jim Nantz, Boomer Esiason, and the whole of ESPN would be falling all over themselves to denounce the report and call it a "non-story"? Honestly with Manning...he's just a hired gun. Always has been to me and always will be. I want my Brockweiler as QB, not a busted up shell of a guy. That being said, it's not about protection, it's about seriously where's the story. Outside of the greater NE no one gives a rats ass what's going on with this cause no one has an axe to grind about it. No one cares cause no one has linked him to anything. If there is some evidence to it then by all means hell I'll be there with the pitchforks too. Right now....there's one guy outing his wife's delivered RX's....sorry I need more than that before than that before I start getting on the media about their non coverage. I get it, I really do, but as of right now this really is a non story. I mean you brought up the 2nd source. All this second source is saying is "yup Ashley Manning received HGH". NO ONE HAS DENIED THAT!!!!!! Not Al-Jazeera who is trying not to get sued. Not Mr. Sly who has zero credibility. Not Peyton nor his laywer nor his agent. Again, I say where is the story. Everyone agrees that Ashley Manning received HGH for some reason. That is not up for debate. Is there any proof it was for Peyton? Did he take it? Has anyone even slightly insinuated that? I really don't understand where we are with this and why anyone should be worried about not discussing it any longer on TV.
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Post by Ganon83 on Jan 5, 2016 3:39:53 GMT -5
Off topic but my God Al Michaels and Cris Colinsworth is so much better than the other top network teams. Yeah they get calls off but they aren't homers (Buck and Aikman) or just talk and talk about nonsense like Nantz and especially Simms do.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 5, 2016 7:44:56 GMT -5
Manning's wife had HGH shipped to her house right around the time Peyton was coming off multiple neck surgeries (and mind you, they were NOT testing for HGH at that time). Manning then proceeds to have a record breaking season with Denver in 2013.
They start testing for HGH and suddenly Manning's numbers drop and visibly, he looks like garbage over the last 15 months.
But hey, nothing to see here.
They catch this guy on hidden camera talking about Manning/HGH and when the lid gets blown off, he suddenly retracts his statements.
Which is more likely: He lied on hidden camera, or he backpedaled after someone got to him?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 14:03:43 GMT -5
Manning's wife had HGH shipped to her house right around the time Peyton was coming off multiple neck surgeries (and mind you, they were NOT testing for HGH at that time). Manning then proceeds to have a record breaking season with Denver in 2013. They start testing for HGH and suddenly Manning's numbers drop and visibly, he looks like garbage over the last 15 months. But hey, nothing to see here. And that's it, really. Why did Peyton's wife get HGH shipped to her house? The peculiarity of it, combined with the circumstances surrounding Peyton's injury and his performance doesn't really seem like happenstance. It could be, but it's not unreasonable to suspect he was using HGH. It can't be proven right now, so there isn't much to discuss, but the assumption that Manning did use HGH isn't an unreasonable one.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 5, 2016 14:34:49 GMT -5
Manning's wife had HGH shipped to her house right around the time Peyton was coming off multiple neck surgeries (and mind you, they were NOT testing for HGH at that time). Manning then proceeds to have a record breaking season with Denver in 2013. They start testing for HGH and suddenly Manning's numbers drop and visibly, he looks like garbage over the last 15 months. But hey, nothing to see here. And that's it, really. Why did Peyton's wife get HGH shipped to her house? The peculiarity of it, combined with the circumstances surrounding Peyton's injury and his performance doesn't really seem like happenstance. It could be, but it's not unreasonable to suspect he was using HGH. It can't be proven right now, so there isn't much to discuss, but the assumption that Manning did use HGH isn't an unreasonable one. See, there's my issue. Just compare it to Brady/Deflategate stuff (Skip the "HE DID IT", "NO HE DIDNT!!" aspect. That isn't what this is about) Eeveryone from the Worldwide Leader and their talking heads, to jilted ex rivals couldnt declare him guilty fast enough. The only evidence they had was a tweet from Chris Mortensen (with false info, mind you) This is long before any Wells Report. Brady said he was innocent. But it didn't matter, because Mark Brunell and others said he's lying. The NFL went all in, guns blazing. With this Manning story? The wagons were circled in hilariously quick fashion. The media didn't go after Manning. Guys like King, Nantz and Simms couldn't dismiss/iognore the story fast enough. Manning says he's innocent. Oh, alrighty. Nothing to see here!! Has the league said anything yet? Let me be crystal clear: I do not give a single flying f*** if Manning did HGH. Frankly, I wouldn't blame him or anyone who takes the beating these guys do if they decided to go that route. But the total lack of consistancy from the league, fans and media types is infuriating.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 5, 2016 14:54:01 GMT -5
But there is a vast difference when dealing with someone's health and wellbeing vs. someone potentially cheating to win a football game. Right now the only real story in this involves the private medical treatments that a person received, a person not in the public eye until this. The only story they can run with is her health because that is the only story and that is scummy as hell. If they try to run with anything about Peyton getting HGH they're f***ed legally unless they have something that tying him to use that no one knows. There is nothing true or false that has Peyton using HGH and until there is, this is something that is a complete non-story for sports types.
There is also the possibility that they learned their lesson as well but even I don't buy that.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 5, 2016 15:10:24 GMT -5
Ric, when we talk about PEDs, this is about someone potentially cheating to win games.
Right now to me, this is a nothing story. But if that second source is revealed and we find out Ashley did get those PEDs mailed to her, then Peyton should be in the same boat Tom Brady was in last year.
Sorry, but that's the truth.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 5, 2016 15:11:35 GMT -5
But there is a vast difference when dealing with someone's health and wellbeing vs. someone potentially cheating to win a football game. Right now the only real story in this involves the private medical treatments that a person received, a person not in the public eye until this. The only story they can run with is her health because that is the only story and that is scummy as hell. If they try to run with anything about Peyton getting HGH they're f***ed legally unless they have something that tying him to use that no one knows. There is nothing true or false that has Peyton using HGH and until there is, this is something that is a complete non-story for sports types. There is also the possibility that they learned their lesson as well but even I don't buy that. Fair points and I get what you're saying, however one could also argue that if the story is true, thenthe idea of Manning taking HGH to recover and then suddenly breaking records left and right gives an unfair advantage and damages the "integrity of the game"
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 5, 2016 15:13:09 GMT -5
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 5, 2016 15:46:30 GMT -5
But there is a vast difference when dealing with someone's health and wellbeing vs. someone potentially cheating to win a football game. Right now the only real story in this involves the private medical treatments that a person received, a person not in the public eye until this. The only story they can run with is her health because that is the only story and that is scummy as hell. If they try to run with anything about Peyton getting HGH they're f***ed legally unless they have something that tying him to use that no one knows. There is nothing true or false that has Peyton using HGH and until there is, this is something that is a complete non-story for sports types. There is also the possibility that they learned their lesson as well but even I don't buy that. Fair points and I get what you're saying, however one could also argue that if the story is true, thenthe idea of Manning taking HGH to recover and then suddenly breaking records left and right gives an unfair advantage and damages the "integrity of the game" No doubt and I completely agree, I'm just saying right now the story is not "Peyton did something" it is "Peyton's wife did something" with nothing actually tying Peyton to the use of HGH as far as I know. Looking for a connection like the link you provided is fair and worth a look, the speculation that he did something based on what right now is just his wife's possible leaked medical treatments is where you have to tread far more carefully than you would if Peyton was the only one tied to it, IMO.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 5, 2016 20:03:30 GMT -5
Ryan Howard and Ryan Zimmerman have decided to sue Al Jazeera.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jan 6, 2016 18:40:34 GMT -5
Ryan Howard and Ryan Zimmerman have decided to sue Al Jazeera. I wish they could sue people on the Internet as well. Good for them. I hope they break the bank.
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Post by BRV on Jan 6, 2016 21:03:56 GMT -5
Ryan Howard and Ryan Zimmerman have decided to sue Al Jazeera. I wish they could sue people on the Internet as well. Good for them. I hope they break the bank. They probably won't even win because to win a defamation suit as a public figure, you need to prove actual malice, which means that you need to prove that the statement that was made was not an honest mistake and was in fact published with the actual intent to harm the public figure. And according to the Supreme Court, actual malice only occurs when the person making the statement knew the statement was not true at the time he or she made it, or had reckless disregard for whether it was true or not. Given how stridently Al Jazeera and Deborah Davies have defended their reporting and their sourcing, and given how she seems to not care about who these big-name American athletes are, it will be virtually impossible for Ryan Howard, Ryan Zimmerman, or Peyton Manning to prove that Al Jazeera or Davies published the report knowing its information was false and knowing it would irrevocably harm their reputations.
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