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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 12:59:19 GMT -5
I've never known an industry hate the people that buy the product so much as wrestling. Was just thinking the same thing. Main reason I don't pay for anything WWE-related.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 13:03:02 GMT -5
Oh Joey Styles, he's like a nerdy kid in High School who got mocked by the popular kids for years and years and years. Then the popular kids let him carry their books for them and suddenly he's mocking the nerds too.
Its like, hey guy, you realize Vince and HHH probably still think YOU'RE a member of the IWC right?
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 30, 2015 13:03:55 GMT -5
They've got to get out of this complacent and arrogant attitude that the fans will always tune in regardless of how "poopy" their product is. I used to be one of those who tuned in faithfully every week, I was pushed too far and haven't tuned in for over a year now. And looking at their ratings, I'm certainly not the only one. I was the same way. Started watching during the mid 80s, stopped in 93 when it got too cartoony. Started again in 96 when I moved to a new city and the first friend I made was into wrestling and the nWo and Attitude era made me a fan again. I haven't really enjoyed WWE since 2006 but kept with it because I didn't want to miss a new boom period. Stopped watching again two years ago. With their treatment of Punk, Ryder, Bryan, Ryback et al, I just couldn't take it anymore. Commentary has never been worse either.
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Post by gr1990 on Dec 30, 2015 13:16:16 GMT -5
All he got to write an WWE.Com article about the American Legion Post #308 in Scenic Reseda, CA with former PWG alumni and current WWE wrestlers giving insights on performing there and the lemmings will lap it up & forget his tweets until the next series insulting them. What people need to understand is that this isn't WWE just hating and disrespecting their fanbase. The wrestling industry in general don't respect you. The same people you are willing to fight for look at you like a f***ing mark while saying you're the greatest. Joey plays to the IWC when needed and knows some pandering will make you forgive him. After all he used to run a wrestling news website. The part that gets me the most upset about this isn't the business itself. It's the fans that say "Yeah! They're right! We're awful!" Wrestling fan self-hatred and anti-IWC silliness is utterly beyond my comprehension to some people. It's like reading Fox News comment sections. A lot of wrestling fans are so preoccupied with not coming across as a smark or a deluded resident of the wrestling bubble that they've no idea what they actually enjoy anymore. The people who dismiss any claim, no matter how much evidence there is to support it, that a former indy star is being misused or passed over by WWE in favour of a more conventional star (which is the case 99% of the time) as a 'smark conspiracy,' or that people calling the product stale are 'smarks that just love to hate.' The people who are fans of IWC punching bags often boast about 'trolling the IWC' with their unashamed support of them over the approved internet favourites, but there's so many people rooting for the supposed hate figures and hating on the supposed internet darlings that there's actually no majority opinion, yet the myth persists. I'm not a big enough fan of anything else to really know if such schisms exist in other fandoms but I'd be amazed if any other scripted form of entertainment has fans so scathing of their own fan culture and each other's opinions. People passionately disagree on subjects they are passionate about, of course they do, but the conflicted, many-splintered world of the wrestling fan must be unique.
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Post by Perd on Dec 30, 2015 13:24:12 GMT -5
Damn it, guys! Why wasn't I alerted? We're being bombarded from all sides. It's time to do battle.
*puts on IWC uniform*
We're still going with a dirty t-shirt and sweatpants, right?
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Post by IMPRESSIVE knightwing1047 on Dec 30, 2015 13:41:43 GMT -5
Damn it, guys! Why wasn't I alerted? We're being bombarded from all sides. It's time to do battle. *puts on IWC uniform* We're still going with a dirty t-shirt and sweatpants, right? Yes but feel free to don your CM Punk prowrestlingtees shirt too
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 13:49:30 GMT -5
Damn it, guys! Why wasn't I alerted? We're being bombarded from all sides. It's time to do battle. *puts on IWC uniform* We're still going with a dirty t-shirt and sweatpants, right? Yes but feel free to don your CM Punk prowrestlingtees shirt too Size XXXXL
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Post by paperbackhero on Dec 30, 2015 13:51:40 GMT -5
I've never known an industry hate the people that buy the product so much as wrestling. Some may say that they've never seen "people hate the product so much, yet incessently talk about, watch, and theorize about said industry". Dont all mega companies just view their consumers as marks, who'll buynwhatbwe give 'em, and care about moving units over all else?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 13:54:48 GMT -5
Damn it, guys! Why wasn't I alerted? We're being bombarded from all sides. It's time to do battle. *puts on IWC uniform* We're still going with a dirty t-shirt and sweatpants, right? All I have is pajama pants where the fly buttons but my junk is still exposed, somehow. They'll have to do!
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Post by 111111 on Dec 30, 2015 13:58:21 GMT -5
Why do so many people online always seem to get butthurt about this sort of thing (not so much on here, everyone has a laugh here, but elsewhere on net)?
he's just giving his opinion, tries to engage with his followers by asking them a question and cracks a few light hearted jokes about the "IWC" as well as gives some opinions in a calm way, yet I see people losing their minds in anger at him.
If you get offended by words on a screen typed by someone you've never met about a tv show where half naked men pretend to fight directed at a mythical group that many of these same fans will swear not to be a part of (yet still get overly offended at any critism hurled at said group ) that blatantly from the way they were written were meant in good humour then maybe you need to stop watching wrestling, switch off your computers and go outside for 10 minutes.
It's not just a problem with wrestling fans, its a problem with society in general today, every one is so quick to react and feign outrage about every thing with half the facts or by collectively misinterpreting it, its basically the return of mob mentality.
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Post by Vern on Dec 30, 2015 14:12:00 GMT -5
Yes but feel free to don your CM Punk prowrestlingtees shirt too Size XXXXL Too small for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 14:23:01 GMT -5
Why do so many people online always seem to get butthurt about this sort of thing (not so much on here, everyone has a laugh here, but elsewhere on net)? he's just giving his opinion, tries to engage with his followers by asking them a question and cracks a few light hearted jokes about the "IWC" as well as gives some opinions in a calm way, yet I see people losing their minds in anger at him. He's not just giving his opinion, though. He's giving his opinion while on the job, especially considering his role in WWE's on-line content. He represents how WWE looks at their fans. If you look at, say, Progressive's facebook account for Flo, they take any criticism directed at them and say something like "I'm sorry you had that experience. I hope you have better experiences with us in the future." WWE's a business, too and Joey should at the very least say "Well, I think Roman has a lot of fans and deserves his push. If you want to be heard, support who you like through social media, buying merchandise, etc." Joey can certainly disagree with people but he has to respect them as potential customers and use his intelligence, experience, and skill to agree with people in the way that still respects them. Saying people will always come back is just not demonstratively true if you look at ratings and network buys. Even if it was consistent, you don't risk it needlessly. If we're the WWE Universe, why not make efforts to include everyone, even the "IWC"? And yeah, Joey Styles on twitter is Joey Styles at work.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 14:23:42 GMT -5
Why do so many people online always seem to get butthurt about this sort of thing (not so much on here, everyone has a laugh here, but elsewhere on net)? he's just giving his opinion, tries to engage with his followers by asking them a question and cracks a few light hearted jokes about the "IWC" as well as gives some opinions in a calm way, yet I see people losing their minds in anger at him. If you get offended by words on a screen typed by someone you've never met about a tv show where half naked men pretend to fight directed at a mythical group that many of these same fans will swear not to be a part of (yet still get overly offended at any critism hurled at said group ) that blatantly from the way they were written were meant in good humour then maybe you need to stop watching wrestling, switch off your computers and go outside for 10 minutes. It's not just a problem with wrestling fans, its a problem with society in general today, every one is so quick to react and feign outrage about every thing with half the facts or by collectively misinterpreting it, its basically the return of mob mentality. Yeah I think he sounds kind of like a goof in the way that Josh Mathews has on Twitter, but I can't say this bothers me or makes me feel unloved as a fan or something. "Oh no Joey Styles, your opinion, so scathing." Like I said in JBL's thread, you guys understand the metric f***ton of insults and complaining that comes their way on Twitter, it's gotta get pretty old. When people lash out, they don't really make sense, they're just trying to talk shit. This is someone lashing out.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Dec 30, 2015 14:29:41 GMT -5
Why do so many people online always seem to get butthurt about this sort of thing (not so much on here, everyone has a laugh here, but elsewhere on net)? he's just giving his opinion, tries to engage with his followers by asking them a question and cracks a few light hearted jokes about the "IWC" as well as gives some opinions in a calm way, yet I see people losing their minds in anger at him. If you get offended by words on a screen typed by someone you've never met about a tv show where half naked men pretend to fight directed at a mythical group that many of these same fans will swear not to be a part of (yet still get overly offended at any critism hurled at said group ) that blatantly from the way they were written were meant in good humour then maybe you need to stop watching wrestling, switch off your computers and go outside for 10 minutes. It's not just a problem with wrestling fans, its a problem with society in general today, every one is so quick to react and feign outrage about every thing with half the facts or by collectively misinterpreting it, its basically the return of mob mentality. Before you go on about SJWs and the wussification of America, a reminder. The wrestling business, at its core, is a business built on the idea that the viewing and paying audience need to be treated as if they are complete idiots who believe that what they are watching is real when it is very clearly staged. Performers and people in the periphery of the wrestling business have it ingrained into them that the people that pay tickets and allow them to be rich and famous deserve nothing but disdain and ridicule, simply for being entertained by their fake sport. It's a con. We're stupid marks. I think in 2015, fans that don't appreciate being disrespected on that level daring to speak up aren't in the wrong.
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Post by Tessmachers-Ass-Fan on Dec 30, 2015 14:39:06 GMT -5
I've watched more hours of Lucha Underground this year than WWE shows (and that inludes Swerved and Total Divas).
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 30, 2015 14:42:23 GMT -5
The scary thing...I agree with some of this.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 30, 2015 14:43:27 GMT -5
Someone in wrestling as long as Joey Styles has been will have seen what happens o companies that take their fans for granted. The AWA decided that pushing Nick Bockwinkel as the face of the AWA in the 80s and poof, the fans left after Hogan did. The WWF in the 90s nearly went bankrupt because of the pigheaded insistence on pushing people the fanbase weren't that into as the smiling babyfaces because Vince liked thge cut of their jib. WCW gave the middle finger to it's fanbase throughout the NWO angle and then the bottom fell out when it looked like the big new face of the company going into the next millennium would be Hulk Hogan, then they made sure those whio tuned out never returned by letting Vince Russo turn the company into Attitude lite. The WWF/E are only in the position they're in as they're the only game in town, but ratings are dropping steadily, the people who complain are tuning out and when people tire of network content, they're going to start seeing those numbers bleeding away too. It can go wrong very fast, USA aren't going to be happy about sub 3 figures forever, propped up by a rapidly aging demographic and when NBC don't want them, no-one else will. Luckily, our beloved ECW never did anything of the type...they booed ECW champ Justin Credible cause he was a great heel, right?
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 30, 2015 14:44:25 GMT -5
I've never known an industry hate the people that buy the product so much as wrestling. Believe it or not, it's actually probably worse with film. Then again, film might be even shadier than wrestling, and that's saying something. Yeah, and outside of the televised companies, it's actually WORSE. I've seen indy jerks go off on fans online too....only not general, they pick on specific people AND encouraged other fans to harass them.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 30, 2015 14:45:38 GMT -5
If you look at, say, Progressive's facebook account for Flo, they take any criticism directed at them and say something like "I'm sorry you had that experience. I hope you have better experiences with us in the future." So if I complain that she still hasn't gone out on a date with me...?
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Post by chrom on Dec 30, 2015 14:52:31 GMT -5
Why do so many people online always seem to get butthurt about this sort of thing (not so much on here, everyone has a laugh here, but elsewhere on net)? he's just giving his opinion, tries to engage with his followers by asking them a question and cracks a few light hearted jokes about the "IWC" as well as gives some opinions in a calm way, yet I see people losing their minds in anger at him. If you get offended by words on a screen typed by someone you've never met about a tv show where half naked men pretend to fight directed at a mythical group that many of these same fans will swear not to be a part of (yet still get overly offended at any critism hurled at said group ) that blatantly from the way they were written were meant in good humour then maybe you need to stop watching wrestling, switch off your computers and go outside for 10 minutes. It's not just a problem with wrestling fans, its a problem with society in general today, every one is so quick to react and feign outrage about every thing with half the facts or by collectively misinterpreting it, its basically the return of mob mentality. Before you go on about SJWs and the wussification of America, a reminder. The wrestling business, at its core, is a business built on the idea that the viewing and paying audience need to be treated as if they are complete idiots who believe that what they are watching is real when it is very clearly staged. Performers and people in the periphery of the wrestling business have it ingrained into them that the people that pay tickets and allow them to be rich and famous deserve nothing but disdain and ridicule, simply for being entertained by their fake sport. It's a con. We're stupid marks. I think in 2015, fans that don't appreciate being disrespected on that level daring to speak up aren't in the wrong. As someone here mentioned, look at the guys who attend and dress up at Comic Con some spending weeks or months at times to get the costume and character right and go and meet their favorite actors. You don't see a guy there like Steve Blum treat those who loved him as Spike and other characters he's voiced with barely concealed disdain or ridicule them for watching the show and being invested in the characters and what happens to them. I'm planning on going to my first one, the one were Sean Schemmel and Christoper Sabat will be attending, and I'll do my damndest not to faint at being in the same area as those who voice some of my favorite characters and hopefully get them to sign my copy of Dragon Ball Xenoverse.
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