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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 30, 2015 18:17:44 GMT -5
Considering that is the audience that is still watching, he's not not exactly wrong. Hell, we've had this debate for weeks following every RAW, people say they hate it, someone says don't watch, they say they cannot because reasons. I was pointing out that more people are taking that advice to heart, Don't like it don't watch, Which is happening. I understand that there are moaners who continue to watch. The IWC, IMO, Simply watch wwe to operate at it's full potential and not fall to the lowest common denominator, Sure you have impossible to please Assholes but I see a lot of folks simply tired of the formula wwe has been using for so long. That is the thing, it is the stereotypical fan (which I believe he is targeting) that is sticking around, refuses to tune out. The casuals (for lack of a better term) can and have easily tuned out. Basically I think he has a point, it is just a shitty one. The same fans he's railing against will be the ones they need to tell people to watch again which makes this all the more stupid on his part. Yeah, they don't want it to fail or get worse, they want better and I'd wager the ones on the receiving end of the complaints feel the same, they just don't have the power to make the change so they get worn down and have days like this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 18:29:06 GMT -5
What even is the IWC anymore? Everyone is on the internet. I'm sure you watch things other than pro wrestling but do you seek out message boards like this one to talk in depth about all of those shows after each episode? I doubt it. You just consume the content and move on to the next thing. Maybe you'll occasionally mention those shows in face to face conversations or on whatever social media you use but that's about it. That, to me, is the difference between the wrestling fans who also use the internet and the fans who fall under the IWC label.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 30, 2015 18:31:31 GMT -5
Selling out is an overblown concept. Views and priorities can change with your responsibilities
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Post by . on Dec 30, 2015 18:35:53 GMT -5
I was pointing out that more people are taking that advice to heart, Don't like it don't watch, Which is happening. I understand that there are moaners who continue to watch. The IWC, IMO, Simply watch wwe to operate at it's full potential and not fall to the lowest common denominator, Sure you have impossible to please Assholes but I see a lot of folks simply tired of the formula wwe has been using for so long. That is the thing, it is the stereotypical fan (which I believe he is targeting) that is sticking around, refuses to tune out. The casuals (for lack of a better term) can and have easily tuned out. Basically I think he has a point, it is just a shitty one. The same fans he's railing against will be the ones they need to tell people to watch again which makes this all the more stupid on his part. Yeah, they don't want it to fail or get worse, they want better and I'd wager the ones on the receiving end of the complaints feel the same, they just don't have the power to make the change so they get worn down and have days like this. Fair enough. I think sometimes IWC is an easy scapegoat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 18:46:25 GMT -5
People get upset with Joey Styles and other guys in cases like this but it also takes an understanding that the people Styles is corresponding with are most likely the dirt worst. I have a lot of qualms about WWE, but I'm not going to tweet Joey Styles about it, it's always baffling to me, the kind of person who doesn't like Roman Reigns and needs to go online to tell him about it. It's no shocker that a guy who works for WWE is going to defend WWE. He's not incorrect that a great majority of us who dislike WWE currently will continue to watch it.
It's just like watching any sport, your team might suck for years straight but you'll always hold out hope that they get it together. WWE is the exact same, they have bad years, but they've also had enough good years to make you believe they can turn it around one day. They've been on one long ass bad stretch, though. It's just that usually when WWE strikes gold nothing can really compare to it.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 30, 2015 18:53:05 GMT -5
I can understand people being upset with JBL, but this is just Joey responding to some dweebs on Twitter. The potshots people are throwing at him here over what he said are being ridiculous themselves and are actually proving his point in a way.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 30, 2015 18:53:31 GMT -5
Yeah, and outside of the televised companies, it's actually WORSE. I've seen indy jerks go off on fans online too....only not general, they pick on specific people AND encouraged other fans to harass them. No lie, I had a buddy of mine go through wrestling training, had about....a half dozen matches in him, and already was acting like he'd been around "the loop" a dozen times, and big leaguing fans at shithouse indy shows. It was f***ing incredible to watch. Needless to say, we are no longer friends. Yeah it happens. Another example...I knew Robbie E before TNA and before the gimmick. He was okay then, but there was a real ugly incident at an indy show 3 years ago where he pushed a table at my friend legit and refused to talk about it, quite rudely I might add. Makes you wish someone had a group promoting anti-bullying in indy companies...(looks at my signature)...oh yeah.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 30, 2015 18:56:07 GMT -5
WWE is getting record low ratings and he is seriously doing the whole "no one will ever beat WWE" gimmick? Attitudes like that is how major companies go down the toilet. they think they are invincible. Yeah well WWF/E has survived the New Generation, the steroid trial, and more. So to that end, yes, it is made of Teflon. It's like The Simpsons, no matter what, the name is going to keep it around.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Dec 30, 2015 18:59:57 GMT -5
Joey has always seemed like a huge dick. This doesn't help that. I was a fan of his until he went off on an illogical tirade against our commander in chief. Not going any further on that one (rules) but yeah, Joey lost my respect that day.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 30, 2015 19:01:34 GMT -5
I wonder if he sees two people arguing online and screams, "CATFIGHT! CATFIGHT~!"
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 30, 2015 19:03:05 GMT -5
WWE is getting record low ratings and he is seriously doing the whole "no one will ever beat WWE" gimmick? Attitudes like that is how major companies go down the toilet. they think they are invincible. Yeah well WWF/E has survived the New Generation, the steroid trial, and more. So to that end, yes, it is made of Teflon. It's like The Simpsons, no matter what, the name is going to keep it around. Not to mention that while half the reason their ratings are down is their own fault for only pushing a single star instead of multiple ones like in the Attitude Era, the other half is because of them being shackled to a network run by corporate leeches whom are also way too overconfident in themselves despite not exactly doing well in the ratings either.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 30, 2015 19:11:01 GMT -5
But nah seriously, Joey Styles can frankly f*** off for stuff that's not at all related to wrestling but he's not in the wrong here.
It's not even like he's trying to lump all these internet folk together. In that last tweet, he flat out says he's only responding to a certain section of people, the people that are loud as a motorbike but wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight. The people that almost never have good things to say. Don't get mad at him because certain people portray themselves in that light. Hell, we've got a handful of people like that on this board and it doesn't take particularly long to figure out who they are because they make it so obvious.
Motherf*** Joey Styles tho. Just want to make that clear.
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Post by The QC Loser on Dec 30, 2015 19:40:14 GMT -5
The only WWE I watch is the network. I don't remember the last time I watched RAW and honestly I try to catch the ppvs when they are on the network but I usually end up just shutting them off before they end. I don't know if I have ever actually watched smackdown since it first started airing. Hell up until a couple months ago I'd say I've given more money to $5 wrestling than I have to WWE
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 30, 2015 19:43:07 GMT -5
WWE's revenue grows every year, every year setting a new high record. They aren't exactly circling the drain. NJPW, which most consider the #2 company in the world, I believe stated they had $26 million in revenue last year. WWE had about $550 million, they're in a completely different world than everyone else. Didn't the company finish at a 30 million dollar loss last year? Didn't they ALSO have a very famous "lost $350 million in one day last year", and still rose from that to "only" lose $30 million for the year, too?
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Post by eJm on Dec 30, 2015 19:44:02 GMT -5
I do agree that it's only Joey Styles responding to a bunch of people who complain all the time which he doesn't deserve (nor does JBL to an extent, he shouldn't be getting abuse but people should call him out on not doing his job) but also say that his words basically reflect the attitude of the company because it's his company account.
I have always said that the pro wrestling world seems to hate its fans more than anyone else simply because they are more willing to spite them more than most companies do to get a reaction. Then they're shocked when that reaction is negative. For example, Zack Ryder. No matter what you can say about the guy, the crowds in stadiums and the audience at large was into him. Any other company in the world or person in charge would have tried to find a way to make money off the guy because that makes the fans happy to pay more money, the shareholders happy that more money is coming and owners happy because of the same reasoning. The fact they went out of their way to make him worthless shows that they actually don't care about making money outside of the plans they set in place which is ridiculously counter productive however you look at it. From a shareholder perspective, that's a loss in revenue all to prove that they could.
So no, he's not wrong about fans complaining. But as Ric said, saying these things to pretty much the only audience left watching your show who seem to be very easily deciding it's not for them anymore makes you and the company look bad. The casuals/Attitude Era fans aren't going to come back to watch Vince go to jail for the jillionth time forever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 19:50:19 GMT -5
Does Dana White get a lot of hatred from MMA fans?
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Post by StormanReigns on Dec 30, 2015 19:51:18 GMT -5
If he was over to the point where they want, then why did they chant "Daniel Bryan" at him on Monday?
Does the WWE not get that: 1. Most of their fans now are slowly becoming in the IWC. 2.The IWC WANTS to cheer for him, they just hate this character.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 30, 2015 19:57:42 GMT -5
What even is the IWC anymore? Everyone is on the internet. I'm sure you watch things other than pro wrestling but do you seek out message boards like this one to talk in depth about all of those shows after each episode? I doubt it. You just consume the content and move on to the next thing. Maybe you'll occasionally mention those shows in face to face conversations or on whatever social media you use but that's about it. That, to me, is the difference between the wrestling fans who also use the internet and the fans who fall under the IWC label. Social media has made this commonplace now. People talk about everything online these days. If anything old style message boards are LESS active than ever before.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 20:01:58 GMT -5
I'm sure you watch things other than pro wrestling but do you seek out message boards like this one to talk in depth about all of those shows after each episode? I doubt it. You just consume the content and move on to the next thing. Maybe you'll occasionally mention those shows in face to face conversations or on whatever social media you use but that's about it. That, to me, is the difference between the wrestling fans who also use the internet and the fans who fall under the IWC label. Social media has made this commonplace now. People talk about everything online these days. If anything old style message boards are LESS active than ever before. Being on forums since 2000...I'd say it is more or less active. Facebook, Youtube and especially Twitter made more casuals into smarks and WWE has issues adapting to the audience.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 30, 2015 20:03:39 GMT -5
The voice of ECW hating the IWC is like Tim Burton hating Hot Topic employees.
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