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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 17:13:27 GMT -5
Because labelling yourself as a man who has sex with other men is a different way to identify your sexual orientation. Do any of you bisexual or homosexual men of FAN not refer to your orientation as that and instead refer to it as men who have sex with other men instead?
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 1, 2016 18:58:37 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 0:22:00 GMT -5
I call myself "The God of f***"
And Bootyman.
Oh, and the King of Foreplay.
Fun fact: Charles Manson's pickup line was "I am the God of f***."
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 2, 2016 0:59:14 GMT -5
Because labelling yourself as a man who has sex with other men is a different way to identify your sexual orientation. Do any of you bisexual or homosexual men of FAN not refer to your orientation as that and instead refer to it as men who have sex with other men instead? Wow. That's....that's offensive, right? I mean, I get the point but that seems to me to be way, way, way too over the top. I can't help but to feel that it might at least be a little bit condescending, right? I mean, I am not in a position to know how anyone in the LGBQT community feels about that, but that seems a little too much. Am I wrong? Granted, if the point is to make sure you notice the announcement, then mission accomplished! You could spot that announcement board from a long distance away. A long, long distance away. Maybe they were afraid someone in orbit on the ISS might miss the announcement?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 1:07:15 GMT -5
Because labelling yourself as a man who has sex with other men is a different way to identify your sexual orientation. Do any of you bisexual or homosexual men of FAN not refer to your orientation as that and instead refer to it as men who have sex with other men instead? Wow. That's....that's offensive, right? I mean, I get the point but that seems to me to be way, way, way too over the top. I can't help but to feel that it might at least be a little bit condescending, right? I mean, I am not in a position to know how anyone in the LGBQT community feels about that, but that seems a little too much. Am I wrong? Granted, if the point is to make sure you notice the announcement, then mission accomplished! You could spot that announcement board from a long distance away. A long, long distance away. Maybe they were afraid someone in orbit on the ISS might miss the announcement? Honestly my theory is that it's mostly meant for extreme closeted self hating men who are in denial with their sexuality but do it anyways who are afraid they may caught something. Like the gay hating politician who gets caught doing something gay.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 1:09:47 GMT -5
I thought it was funny.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 2, 2016 1:17:21 GMT -5
Fair enough. My initial response could be summed up with any of the 49,488 Confused John Travolta gifs that have been made in the last month, which I suppose is funny in its own right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 1:22:12 GMT -5
Fair enough. My initial response could be summed up with any of the 49,488 Confused John Travolta gifs that have been made in the last month, which I suppose is funny in its own right. I've just learned to not let things bother me if I can. It's taken years to realize that, but it's made me a lot happier. As for this, I think it's more of a "What the hell?" kind of funny haha.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 2, 2016 1:35:23 GMT -5
The Freddie Mercury Lego picture is what really sets the message board apart for me.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jan 2, 2016 1:59:23 GMT -5
Fair enough. My initial response could be summed up with any of the 49,488 Confused John Travolta gifs that have been made in the last month, which I suppose is funny in its own right. I've just learned to not let things bother me if I can. It's taken years to realize that, but it's made me a lot happier. I've been doing that for years. It's made FAN and other places much more enjoyable.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 2, 2016 2:06:32 GMT -5
I'd assume it's meant to bypass any questions of sexual identity, for universal appeal in medical/formal situations. Of course, that completely ignores gender identity, but in an LGBT community that only seems to understand the existence of the LG, that's not too surprising.
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Post by Legion on Jan 2, 2016 9:51:07 GMT -5
I'd assume it's meant to bypass any questions of sexual identity, for universal appeal in medical/formal situations. Of course, that completely ignores gender identity, but in an LGBT community that only seems to understand the existence of the LG, that's not too surprising. That's because sexuality and gender identity are two separate things.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 2, 2016 14:03:15 GMT -5
I'd assume it's meant to bypass any questions of sexual identity, for universal appeal in medical/formal situations. Of course, that completely ignores gender identity, but in an LGBT community that only seems to understand the existence of the LG, that's not too surprising. That's because sexuality and gender identity are two separate things. Yes, I understand that. But the thing is, the supposed benefit of 'men who have sex with men' is that it's meant to be unambiguous, but the fact is, it still is. Someone identifying as a man doesn't tell you much about the sex they have or their genital configuration. But this goes right over the heads of the mainstream LGBT community and its organisers, who assume "Men having sex? Must be cis guys doing anal.".
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 2, 2016 16:52:45 GMT -5
That's because sexuality and gender identity are two separate things. Yes, I understand that. But the thing is, the supposed benefit of 'men who have sex with men' is that it's meant to be unambiguous, but the fact is, it still is. Someone identifying as a man doesn't tell you much about the sex they have or their genital configuration. But this goes right over the heads of the mainstream LGBT community and its organisers, who assume "Men having sex? Must be cis guys doing anal.". Oh boy. I'm raising a teenaged trans boy. This is another one of those talks I am going to have to have with him, isn't it?
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Post by Legion on Jan 2, 2016 21:52:54 GMT -5
That's because sexuality and gender identity are two separate things. Yes, I understand that. But the thing is, the supposed benefit of 'men who have sex with men' is that it's meant to be unambiguous, but the fact is, it still is. Someone identifying as a man doesn't tell you much about the sex they have or their genital configuration. But this goes right over the heads of the mainstream LGBT community and its organisers, who assume "Men having sex? Must be cis guys doing anal.". Have you ever considered that the need to define and drill down to get the exact label might actually be more of a problem than just not? The poster is asking for men who sleep with men, that can be any transgender configuration. Women who wish to be men, or men or wish to be women, or whatever really. It's all accepted in law these days, who cares who is what? If they decide they are women, and they like men, then they are straight women. If they feel otherwise, they are what they are. I fail to understand who is not accepting who
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Jan 2, 2016 23:15:01 GMT -5
I am horrifyingly confused...
Outside of previously mentioned medical necessity, where sex is NOT ambiguous except in extreme cases, I have never seen "Men who have sex with other men." Could you please cite an example beyond the medical spectrum where this term is applied?
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 3, 2016 0:35:46 GMT -5
Yes, I understand that. But the thing is, the supposed benefit of 'men who have sex with men' is that it's meant to be unambiguous, but the fact is, it still is. Someone identifying as a man doesn't tell you much about the sex they have or their genital configuration. But this goes right over the heads of the mainstream LGBT community and its organisers, who assume "Men having sex? Must be cis guys doing anal.". Have you ever considered that the need to define and drill down to get the exact label might actually be more of a problem than just not? The poster is asking for men who sleep with men, that can be any transgender configuration. Women who wish to be men, or men or wish to be women, or whatever really. It's all accepted in law these days, who cares who is what? If they decide they are women, and they like men, then they are straight women. If they feel otherwise, they are what they are. I fail to understand who is not accepting who I feel like we might be talking at cross purposes of here. Of course, ideally, that's how it should and hopefully will be. But often the term is used to try and pin it down to the kind of description I talked about there, often because of a lack of interest/knowledge in trans issues. As an analogy, it's treated in the same way that ovarian care might only be aimed at "women" ignoring trans women who don't need the care or trans men who very much do.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 3, 2016 0:45:47 GMT -5
I'd wager that since they are looking at STI testing it is specifically listed like that to target males who sleep with other males for....something but do not consider themselves gay or bi. Nothing to do with gender, everything to do with getting dudes who are f***ing other dudes for...something and wouldn't bother coming in for testing since they do not believe themselves to be gay or bi.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Jan 3, 2016 1:36:07 GMT -5
That's my understanding as well. It's a description of behavior, which may well be something totally different than social identity.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 3, 2016 2:04:51 GMT -5
I am horrifyingly confused... Outside of previously mentioned medical necessity, where sex is NOT ambiguous except in extreme cases, I have never seen "Men who have sex with other men." Could you please cite an example beyond the medical spectrum where this term is applied? Blood donation forms. So people can't wrangle out of the completely unfair ban by merely having "experimented in college"
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