Reflecto
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Post by Reflecto on Apr 14, 2016 13:27:19 GMT -5
Breeze has a 19 match losing streak?! That's miserable. Even beyond that, after about three months, it seems to be starting to show a flaw in the points system: We've had three months of this project working well in practice and it doing very well. Despite that- and despite a lot of people going on super long losing streaks, however- only TWO people on the WWE roster have a ranking "in the negatives" for the year (or, for this claim, a ranking that is under the 500 points that you'd receive just for showing up in a match on WWE television): Blake and Tyler Breeze (with Tucker Knight, Steve Cutler, and Liv Morgan in the "non-roster ranks" under 500 points)- and the LOWEST of them, Breeze, is still only at minus -4.75 points for the year. Not sure if this means that something should be lessened or not there for future reference or not, but it's weird.
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Post by mhamm05 on Apr 14, 2016 14:01:17 GMT -5
Breeze has a 19 match losing streak?! That's miserable. Even beyond that, after about three months, it seems to be starting to show a flaw in the points system: We've had three months of this project working well in practice and it doing very well. Despite that- and despite a lot of people going on super long losing streaks, however- only TWO people on the WWE roster have a ranking "in the negatives" for the year (or, for this claim, a ranking that is under the 500 points that you'd receive just for showing up in a match on WWE television): Blake and Tyler Breeze (with Tucker Knight, Steve Cutler, and Liv Morgan in the "non-roster ranks" under 500 points)- and the LOWEST of them, Breeze, is still only at minus -4.75 points for the year. Not sure if this means that something should be lessened or not there for future reference or not, but it's weird. Meh, I don't think so. Losses are basically half of the value negatively compared to wins positively. Also, shows are being added positively to their scores regardless of result, right? If you were to only look at the results of matches and make wins/losses at the same +/-, chances are good you'd see a better over/under spread. All math aside, besides a few guys/gals here or there, I'd agree this has been quite effective. Thanks for putting it together and tracking it as it's been fun to follow weekly. EDIT: Apologies. That last bit should have gone to duffless as I somehow thought you were him or her.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 14, 2016 23:29:19 GMT -5
Updated for SmackDown. Goldust and Konnor each take a 10 point penalty for five straight TV losses.
In response to the queries of the last few hours... A lot of guys are only over the 500 mark just by virtue of showing up on the WrestleMania main card, mostly in the Andre Battle Royal, which was worth 50 points for their monthly appearance scores (compared to the 15 they'd get for their top show appearance for the month being RAW, or the measly 2.5 for only showing up on Main Event/Superstars that month). You take that 35 points difference away from the likes of Sin Cara, Fandango, The Ascension and Tyler Breeze, and they're WAY behind that 500 par line, and guys like Damien Sandow, The Miz, Stardust and Goldust are close to going under it.
Basically, I just wanted to prove that occasional losses from the dreaded 50/50 booking aren't the credibility-killers they can get made out to be, while showing that a long string of losses CAN hurt in that regard.
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Post by captainhindsite on Apr 15, 2016 4:00:11 GMT -5
What are the two reigns loses?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 15, 2016 4:13:44 GMT -5
What are the two reigns loses? The Royal Rumble and another match I can't think of off the top of my head... EDIT: A DQ loss to Bubba Ray Dudley on SmackDown, when he got too angry with AGGRESSION in the WM buildup.
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Post by captainhindsite on Apr 15, 2016 4:34:55 GMT -5
O ok cause I'm pretty sure he had yet to lose clean.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 15, 2016 4:55:00 GMT -5
O ok cause I'm pretty sure he had yet to lose clean. Technically, the Rumble loss was clean within the context and rules of the match, but yes... Yet to be beaten clean in a non-Rumble match this year. Apparently he's yet to be pinned clean in a one-on-one match (other than the Sheamus MITB cash-in) for his entire main roster run so far.
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Post by captainhindsite on Apr 15, 2016 5:11:31 GMT -5
O ok cause I'm pretty sure he had yet to lose clean. Technically, the Rumble loss was clean within the context and rules of the match, but yes... Yet to be beaten clean in a non-Rumble match this year. Apparently he's yet to be pinned clean in a one-on-one match (other than the Sheamus MITB cash-in) for his entire main roster run so far. I get the rumble, but he was also taken t to the back and beaten up during it. Yea I guess technically no dq but still it took some shenanigans for him to lose. Also I get them not playing it up while he is technically a face but if he goes full heel they should really play that up
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 15, 2016 22:55:41 GMT -5
Updated for Superstars. Tyler Breeze picks up ANOTHER 10 point penalty, his fourth for the year, for five straight TV losses.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 15, 2016 23:38:33 GMT -5
Updated for Superstars. Tyler Breeze picks up ANOTHER 10 point penalty, his fourth for the year, for five straight TV losses. I'm starting to think that longer losing streaks need to carry EXTRA 10-point penalties every 5 losses to better show the effects of being booked into oblivion. 10 points for 5 20 points for 10 30 points for 15 40 points for 20 and so on, as opposed to the solid 10 every time.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 19, 2016 2:51:52 GMT -5
Updated for RAW.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 20, 2016 21:47:33 GMT -5
Updated for Main Event and NXT. No Way Jose enters the rankings for his debut TV match.
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Post by Demented on Apr 21, 2016 5:42:13 GMT -5
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 21, 2016 22:03:26 GMT -5
Updated for SmackDown. AJ Styles and Natalya each get the 10 point bonus for five straight TV wins, while Fandango takes another 10 point penalty for five straight TV losses.
Also noted is the NXT Championship changing hands at a house show in Lowell, MA, with Samoa Joe defeating Finn Balor for it. Since WWE have officially acknowledged the result, this will count as a win on Samoa Joe's record and a loss on Finn Balor's record, with points and result streaks altered accordingly.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 22, 2016 23:42:19 GMT -5
Updated for Superstars. Curtis Axel takes a 10 point penalty for five straight TV losses.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 26, 2016 1:42:15 GMT -5
Updated for RAW. Karl Anderson and Luke Gallows enter the non-roster listing for now, as they aren't listed on the official roster at this time.
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Post by JCBaggee on Apr 26, 2016 18:55:13 GMT -5
Damien Sandow gets a jobber entrance, and then doesn't have a match because of interference. I think WWE is just trying to screw with your system, dude.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 28, 2016 1:26:07 GMT -5
Updated for Main Event and NXT. Viktor takes a 10 point penalty for another five straight TV losses.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 28, 2016 22:32:55 GMT -5
Updated for SmackDown. Big night for the bonuses and penalties... Baron Corbin gets the 10 point bonus for five straight TV wins, while Alberto Del Rio, Sheamus and Stardust all take the 10 point penalty for five straight TV losses.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 29, 2016 23:48:59 GMT -5
Updated for Superstars. And with their listing on WWE.com, Karl Anderson and Luke Gallows officially enter the main rankings.
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