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Post by edgehead on Jan 5, 2016 14:25:46 GMT -5
Other than the confusion of Vince not counting the 3 (good job by Cole saying Vince was disoriented) was anyone else impressed with the detail they gave the ending? To get the same point across, they could have easily had Reigns superman punch Vince, a new ref slide in a bit later and count the 3. Instead, you get the superman punch, no ref, fight to the outside, Vince wakes up, another ref out, superman punch that ref, no ref to count the 3 until another slides in...
I mean, it may not have been the smoothest at parts, but they did not take the easy way out by any means.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 15:06:15 GMT -5
They made me believe Sheamus was winning the title back after he stopped Roman with the 2 Brogue Kicks. In that way it was pretty dramatic. If not for Sheamus's lameness (that flows way too well), and Vince not being up for this kind of role in a match anymore, it would've come off better.
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Post by edgehead on Jan 5, 2016 15:12:18 GMT -5
They made me believe Sheamus was winning the title back after he stopped Roman with the 2 Brogue Kicks. In that way it was pretty dramatic. If not for Sheamus's lameness (that flows way too well), and Vince not being up for this kind of role in a match anymore, it would've come off better. Completely agree. What I was looking at was the actual effort. With many people questioning the laziness of the writing lately, it really seemed like they tried.
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Post by Rican on Jan 5, 2016 15:26:19 GMT -5
Yeah I really thought Sheamus was going to win for a while there. Vince botch aside I thought it was done pretty well.
I also lol'd at a total of 3 referees getting knocked out by the end of the night.
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Post by TheFadedSpade on Jan 5, 2016 15:29:00 GMT -5
It's all part of the plan to make Reigns look strong.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 5, 2016 15:41:00 GMT -5
I don't know why when Steve Austin does it it seems cool, but with Reigns he seems more like a bully or something. I don't think it is just Vince's age either, just the way Reigns carries himself.
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Post by Porky's Butthole on Jan 5, 2016 15:52:52 GMT -5
I don't know why when Steve Austin does it it seems cool, but with Reigns he seems more like a bully or something. I don't think it is just Vince's age either, just the way Reigns carries himself. Austin: *Clearly* anti-authority, 'who gives a f***' attitude about everybody and everything except for the Title. Stomp a hole in anyone who gets in his way. Needs no allies; when he gets one, *still* don't give a f***. Does everything he can to win. Roman: Makes food jokes about testes. That's why
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 17:27:26 GMT -5
I don't know why when Steve Austin does it it seems cool, but with Reigns he seems more like a bully or something. I don't think it is just Vince's age either, just the way Reigns carries himself. Austin: *Clearly* anti-authority, 'who gives a f***' attitude about everybody and everything except for the Title. Stomp a hole in anyone who gets in his way. Needs no allies; when he gets one, *still* don't give a f***. Does everything he can to win. Roman: Makes food jokes about testes. That's why Also loves his daughter and wants to rep his family and is shilled as a great man. The first year or so at least of Austin's face run, they went out of their way to tell us that Austin gives no f***s about the fans or what anyone thinks. When he got Vince, the commentators condemned him in that backhanded way that actually put over what fans loved about him. It's another Cena problem: they try to make Roman's appeal too broad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 17:43:09 GMT -5
Austin: *Clearly* anti-authority, 'who gives a f***' attitude about everybody and everything except for the Title. Stomp a hole in anyone who gets in his way. Needs no allies; when he gets one, *still* don't give a f***. Does everything he can to win. Roman: Makes food jokes about testes. That's why Also loves his daughter and wants to rep his family and is shilled as a great man. The first year or so at least of Austin's face run, they went out of their way to tell us that Austin gives no f***s about the fans or what anyone thinks. When he got Vince, the commentators condemned him in that backhanded way that actually put over what fans loved about him. It's another Cena problem: they try to make Roman's appeal too broad. If they're not going to make Roman a vicious ass-kicker, they might as well make him the knight in shining armor whose impeccable moral scruples cause him to fight for all that is good. That'd be a huge departure from the type of character Cena plays (a character whose appeal is made to be too broad) too. It's still early enough in Roman's time at the top that they could transition him to that and he'd do just fine. Audiences love a protagonist who fights for what is good. It's not hard to do that without the character being a corny jokester or a jerk.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 5, 2016 17:59:43 GMT -5
Really? I thought the exact opposite. I thought they did so much that it actually took away from the match. If anything, it's like most shit on this show. They overthought it and ended up making it unnecessarily complicated. By the time the third ref ran in, I was kinda emotionally dead. The double Brouge Kick false finish was good but it should have just been Vince screwing with Roman that lead to it. Having Scott Armstrong run down felt like throwing in stuff for the sake of stuff.
That match pretty much showed they've given up on Sheamus as a main event talent for right now. The reason why they did all that stuff is because they clearly had 0 faith in Sheamus being a compelling threat on his own. I'm glad they came to their senses and that Sheamus is out of the title picture until they try to force him into being a main eventer again in a couple of years despite it failing literally every other time.
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Post by bearned on Jan 5, 2016 18:00:35 GMT -5
What annoyed me about it was the fact Roman knocked Vince out and then immediately pinned Sheamus - it was like dude, you just deliberately ko'd the ref, why are you even trying to pin him?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 19:36:12 GMT -5
Vince shouldn't be bumping it's just asking for doom to befall him.
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Post by cool on Jan 5, 2016 19:48:13 GMT -5
i was scared sheamus was gonna win, thankfully they didn't go that route
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Post by ronin705 on Jan 5, 2016 20:07:15 GMT -5
What annoyed me about it was the fact Roman knocked Vince out and then immediately pinned Sheamus - it was like dude, you just deliberately ko'd the ref, why are you even trying to pin him? that's my issue with it too. Skip the pin, and just start waving down another ref ya idiot.
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Post by RIHT on Jan 5, 2016 22:42:19 GMT -5
They repeated the spot with Reigns knocking down the referee and not being able to pin Sheamus, which was kind of dumb. I felt they needed a surprise to interfere here and set up a feud with Reigns, rather than he just wins again and they announce the Rumble title match. Steph coming out was really a let down, and I feel this match is done because they want to just do Reigns vs. Vince, but can't do an actual match.
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Post by StormanReigns on Jan 5, 2016 22:58:58 GMT -5
They made me believe Sheamus was winning the title back after he stopped Roman with the 2 Brogue Kicks. In that way it was pretty dramatic. If not for Sheamus's lameness (that flows way too well), and Vince not being up for this kind of role in a match anymore, it would've come off better. Completely agree. What I was looking at was the actual effort. With many people questioning the laziness of the writing lately, it really seemed like they tried. They went from 0 to 500mph. It could have easily worked if Vince was not involved, and Sheamus was actually hated. But a less complicated finish could got the the outcome, and it would have lead to less chance of botches. I don't get why Vince decided to get up all of a sudden. Refs wear ear pieces, someone would have been yelling "stay down" at him.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 6, 2016 0:06:46 GMT -5
I don't know why when Steve Austin does it it seems cool, but with Reigns he seems more like a bully or something. I don't think it is just Vince's age either, just the way Reigns carries himself. Because Austin had a reason for the anti-Authority thing. Vince thought a beer swilling blue collar Texan wasn't a good face of the company and he needed to shape up, and Austin told him exactly where he could go with that idea. Same with Daniel Bryan, he's a homeless looking vegan who lives in the same place as Kurt Cobain. Not a role model. Roman Reigns: Vince doesn't want him as face of the company because... uhh... (?)
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Post by baerrtt on Jan 6, 2016 9:40:16 GMT -5
^ Starting with HHH offering Roman the vacated title before the Survivor Series last year, and Reigns turning it down flat, the impression I get is like Vince's onscreen issues with Cena or going back to 2000 The Rock he isn't opposed to Reigns as the face of the company but is basically unhappy that the guy won't play ball with any unethical decisions he or Trips make even if those decisions stand to benefit him.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 6, 2016 9:58:32 GMT -5
What annoyed me about it was the fact Roman knocked Vince out and then immediately pinned Sheamus - it was like dude, you just deliberately ko'd the ref, why are you even trying to pin him? that's my issue with it too. Skip the pin, and just start waving down another ref ya idiot. He could've at least grabbed Vince's carcass and made the count for him. Hey, if they're gonna do another version of Austin vs. McMahon for the umpteenth time, might as well go all in.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 6, 2016 16:33:11 GMT -5
I don't know why when Steve Austin does it it seems cool, but with Reigns he seems more like a bully or something. I don't think it is just Vince's age either, just the way Reigns carries himself. Because Austin had a reason for the anti-Authority thing. Vince thought a beer swilling blue collar Texan wasn't a good face of the company and he needed to shape up, and Austin told him exactly where he could go with that idea. Same with Daniel Bryan, he's a homeless looking vegan who lives in the same place as Kurt Cobain. Not a role model. Roman Reigns: Vince doesn't want him as face of the company because... uhh... (?) Because he's related to The Rock who walked out on him and also because he's 1/3 of The Shield, the Authority's former elite guard who screwed up HHH's plans for Daniel Bryan for no reason other than having a beef with Kane.
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