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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 8, 2016 0:34:28 GMT -5
I can understand using him to get guys over like Corbin, Gable, or Jordan, or the newest Indy name. But not Bull. Bull hasn't impressed me. Riley has to some degree and I'd say he's just as good if not a better worker than some of the people actually getting tV time. Explain to us how Bull Dempsey gets over and what happens to his Bull-Fit gimmick is he loses to Alex Riley of all people. What does he do from this point on? What happens to him? And this is why we need outside enhancement talents in the cycle somewhere. Like, right now it supposedly doesn't matter if anyone beats Riley because he never wins, but when Riley does win, it doesn't matter because DEMPSEY never wins. You're building up damaged goods with other damaged goods, how is it supposed to work for anyone? There needs to be expendable talents SOMEWHERE.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 8, 2016 0:35:34 GMT -5
Riley isn't even as close to being as bad as people make him out to be.
I get that he gets major hate for pissing Punk off via AJ, and for getting on the bad side of Kevin Owens (who is Punk's heir apparent when it comes to tearing the RL person behind the wrestler down), and for saying stupid shit like "Fighting for my life in the 20x20".
He still has an alright-enough moveset that he can at least be booked better than CJ Parker (even if Juice Robinson is becoming a better wrestler in Japan right now).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 0:38:19 GMT -5
Explain to us how Bull Dempsey gets over and what happens to his Bull-Fit gimmick is he loses to Alex Riley of all people. What does he do from this point on? What happens to him? And this is why we need outside enhancement talents in the cycle somewhere. Like, right now it supposedly doesn't matter if anyone beats Riley because he never wins, but when Riley does win, it doesn't matter because DEMPSEY never wins. You're building up damaged goods with other damaged goods, how is it supposed to work for anyone? There needs to be expendable talents SOMEWHERE. Honestly kind of confused why they don't use the lower-end, still training in the performance center guys for that. There are plenty of them, and it'd be a good way to let them work with some people with some more experience and have some level of time with working in front of a crowd before they make the jump to being properly featured.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 8, 2016 0:41:29 GMT -5
And this is why we need outside enhancement talents in the cycle somewhere. Like, right now it supposedly doesn't matter if anyone beats Riley because he never wins, but when Riley does win, it doesn't matter because DEMPSEY never wins. You're building up damaged goods with other damaged goods, how is it supposed to work for anyone? There needs to be expendable talents SOMEWHERE. Honestly kind of confused why they don't use the lower-end, still training in the performance center guys for that. There are plenty of them, and it'd be a good way to let them work with some people with some more experience and have some level of time with working in front of a crowd before they make the jump to being properly featured. They did that for awhile, especially in the tag division. Gable made his debut in a losing effort to Tyler Breeze before showing up for the Jordan stuff. I think the problem they have is, you hope to make something of these guys who are yet to debut so you cannot have them on TV losing all the time. Scott Dawson had that role as well.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 8, 2016 0:42:41 GMT -5
Because having a match means they're trying to make someone a "thing". Smh If people are actually f***ing upset that a wrestler is, idk wrestling? then idk what to say. I have nothing against Riley so long as he's not on commentary or on Twitter, but I find it interesting you can take that approach when you seem to fly into a rage any time Shera comes up. Riley is average and somewhat underrated in ring with a fair amount of charisma. Shera is flat out bad and his greatest quality is that he sucks bad enough that people are amused by it. Does Riley have to be that awful to get people to like him? Also TNA and Dixie have given Shera more opportunities than WWE has for Riley. What annoys me about Shera is that a wrestling company can give TV time and bookings to someone as terrible as he is (even if that company IS TNA) while someone fairly decent like Riley gets slept on.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 8, 2016 0:43:47 GMT -5
Honestly kind of confused why they don't use the lower-end, still training in the performance center guys for that. There are plenty of them, and it'd be a good way to let them work with some people with some more experience and have some level of time with working in front of a crowd before they make the jump to being properly featured. They did that for awhile, especially in the tag division. Gable made his debut in a losing effort to Tyler Breeze before showing up for the Jordan stuff. I think the problem they have is, you hope to make something of these guys who are yet to debut so you cannot have them on TV losing all the time. Scott Dawson had that role as well. and if you hire in people they may get inexplicably over see pants, blue.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 0:46:50 GMT -5
I have nothing against Riley so long as he's not on commentary or on Twitter, but I find it interesting you can take that approach when you seem to fly into a rage any time Shera comes up. Also TNA and Dixie have given Shera more opportunities than WWE has for Riley. Have they? I mean, Riley got a feud with and win over Miz while he was still white-hot coming out of main-eventing Mania, was heavily involved in said Mania main event and the build-up for it, and was booked pretty decently as a solo act at first. As much as people joke, the most Shera's really gotten was a win over James Storm after a fair bit of interference and some shilling of his dancing. He only ever wins over losers like O'Shea, Kenny King, and Crazzy Steve, and he pretty consistently loses when against any sort of name talent.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 8, 2016 0:47:25 GMT -5
Is it bad I just want Riley back in a WWE game so I can strip him of his music and use it for my CAW? I think that's the biggest contribution he's made imo I want him just so Kevin Owens can give him Poptart Powerbombs all the time.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 8, 2016 0:48:18 GMT -5
I have nothing against Riley so long as he's not on commentary or on Twitter, but I find it interesting you can take that approach when you seem to fly into a rage any time Shera comes up. Riley is average and somewhat underrated in ring with a fair amount of charisma. Shera is flat out bad and his greatest quality is that he sucks bad enough that people are amused by it. Does Riley have to be that awful to get people to like him? Also TNA and Dixie have given Shera more opportunities than WWE has for Riley. What annoys me about Shera is that a wrestling company can give TV time and bookings to someone as terrible as he is (even if that company IS TNA) while someone fairly decent like Riley gets slept on. So in other words, if YOU deem them terrible they should not be allowed near a wrestling ring but if you deem them "special" they deserve a chance, what others think be damned. The only difference between Shera and Riley, whether you want to admit it or not, is there is something about Alex Riley you like. That is it. The opinion your fighting for is simply "I like Riley, give him a chance. I hate Shera, he should go away" which is the exact same thing people are saying in this thread only Bull subbed in for Riley who moves to the Shera spot.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 8, 2016 0:50:04 GMT -5
And this is why we need outside enhancement talents in the cycle somewhere. Like, right now it supposedly doesn't matter if anyone beats Riley because he never wins, but when Riley does win, it doesn't matter because DEMPSEY never wins. You're building up damaged goods with other damaged goods, how is it supposed to work for anyone? There needs to be expendable talents SOMEWHERE. Honestly kind of confused why they don't use the lower-end, still training in the performance center guys for that. There are plenty of them, and it'd be a good way to let them work with some people with some more experience and have some level of time with working in front of a crowd before they make the jump to being properly featured. They had guys like that before, but then many of those guys were released (Jake Carter, that guy who won the tag belts with Neville), repackaged (Aiden English, Tye Dillinger, Corbin, Drifter) or randomly pushed as tag guys (Jordan, Gable, BAMF, Mechanics). The only ones left are Angelo Dawkins and Sawyer Fulton.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jan 8, 2016 0:50:42 GMT -5
Honestly kind of confused why they don't use the lower-end, still training in the performance center guys for that. There are plenty of them, and it'd be a good way to let them work with some people with some more experience and have some level of time with working in front of a crowd before they make the jump to being properly featured. They did that for awhile, especially in the tag division. Gable made his debut in a losing effort to Tyler Breeze before showing up for the Jordan stuff. I think the problem they have is, you hope to make something of these guys who are yet to debut so you cannot have them on TV losing all the time. Scott Dawson had that role as well. The best example is Elias Sampson losing to Dempsey in his Bullfit debut match and then Dempsey losing to Sampson in his actual debut match. This is where guys like Cutler, Burch, Hollis, and Skyler come in since they're just random indy talents that show up every taping.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 8, 2016 0:52:40 GMT -5
Riley isn't even as close to being as bad as people make him out to be. I get that he gets major hate for pissing Punk off via AJ, and for getting on the bad side of Kevin Owens (who is Punk's heir apparent when it comes to tearing the RL person behind the wrestler down), and for saying stupid shit like "Fighting for my life in the 20x20". He still has an alright-enough moveset that he can at least be booked better than CJ Parker (even if Juice Robinson is becoming a better wrestler in Japan right now). i never heard about that first one. I just think he sucks and has an annoying personality,in and out.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 8, 2016 0:54:21 GMT -5
Riley isn't even as close to being as bad as people make him out to be. I get that he gets major hate for pissing Punk off via AJ, and for getting on the bad side of Kevin Owens (who is Punk's heir apparent when it comes to tearing the RL person behind the wrestler down), and for saying stupid shit like "Fighting for my life in the 20x20". He still has an alright-enough moveset that he can at least be booked better than CJ Parker (even if Juice Robinson is becoming a better wrestler in Japan right now). i never heard about that first one. I just think he sucks and has an annoying personality,in and out. Yeah, my dislike of Riley has nothing to do with Punk.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 8, 2016 0:57:10 GMT -5
Also TNA and Dixie have given Shera more opportunities than WWE has for Riley. Have they? I mean, Riley got a feud with and win over Miz while he was still white-hot coming out of main-eventing Mania, was heavily involved in said Mania main event and the build-up for it, and was booked pretty decently as a solo act at first. As much as people joke, the most Shera's really gotten was a win over James Storm after a fair bit of interference and some shilling of his dancing. He only ever wins over losers like O'Shea, Kenny King, and Crazzy Steve, and he pretty consistently loses when against any sort of name talent. And Riley was depushed and taken out of the rotation to the point where he didn't even get to beat the "losers" of the roster all that much, and there was a time where they wouldn't even let him be just an enhancement talent to lose to the heel of the month (maybe if they had, "Rusev Hates Black People" wouldn't have happened). Even compared to his peers in the lower card like Slater, Ryder, PTPs, Axel, Bo etc. Riley didn't even exist. He didn't even get to do "silly low card fun stuff" like most of them do.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 8, 2016 0:57:56 GMT -5
Honestly kind of confused why they don't use the lower-end, still training in the performance center guys for that. There are plenty of them, and it'd be a good way to let them work with some people with some more experience and have some level of time with working in front of a crowd before they make the jump to being properly featured. They had guys like that before, but then many of those guys were released (Jake Carter, that guy who won the tag belts with Neville), repackaged (Aiden English, Tye Dillinger, Corbin, Drifter) or randomly pushed as tag guys (Jordan, Gable, BAMF, Mechanics). The only ones left are Angelo Dawkins and Sawyer Fulton. It seemed like they were going to use Alexander Wolfe/Axel Tischer and Riddick Moss (Digg Rallis) for that, but then they stopped.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 8, 2016 0:58:55 GMT -5
(maybe if they had, "Rusev Hates Black People" wouldn't have happened). Zach Ryder and Hunico were in the line up it didn't stop people so no Riley being terrible wouldn't have stopped that joke.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Jan 8, 2016 0:59:22 GMT -5
I thought Riley vs Bull was bad but then they had to book the Vaudevillans vs Hype Bros. Those two matches SUCKED. Not as bad as the Drifter tho. I liked him on house shows when he had his old music and would do a song before the match but this new gimmick is just awful. Not over at all and just boring. He looked legit pissed after the second match.
Carmella tossing Eva in that battle royal is the loudest I've ever heard full sail. That was a great moment and finish. Asuka's staredown of Bayley has got me hyped for the match they will have Mania weekend.
My favorite moment of the night was Big show getting the full sail crowd to cheer him vs Slater. That was a master at work. Much respect.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 1:14:55 GMT -5
Riley isn't even as close to being as bad as people make him out to be. I get that he gets major hate for pissing Punk off via AJ, and for getting on the bad side of Kevin Owens (who is Punk's heir apparent when it comes to tearing the RL person behind the wrestler down), and for saying stupid shit like "Fighting for my life in the 20x20". He still has an alright-enough moveset that he can at least be booked better than CJ Parker ( even if Juice Robinson is becoming a better wrestler in Japan right now).Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Jan 8, 2016 1:47:40 GMT -5
i never heard about that first one. I just think he sucks and has an annoying personality,in and out. Yeah, my dislike of Riley has nothing to do with Punk. I've never even heard people say they dislike Riley because of Punk. Most people's reason for disliking Riley is Riley.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 8, 2016 2:18:26 GMT -5
Explain to us how Bull Dempsey gets over and what happens to his Bull-Fit gimmick is he loses to Alex Riley of all people. What does he do from this point on? What happens to him? And this is why we need outside enhancement talents in the cycle somewhere. Like, right now it supposedly doesn't matter if anyone beats Riley because he never wins, but when Riley does win, it doesn't matter because DEMPSEY never wins. You're building up damaged goods with other damaged goods, how is it supposed to work for anyone? There needs to be expendable talents SOMEWHERE. GOD DAMN IT SOMEONE CLONE DANNY BURTCH!!
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