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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 13:47:48 GMT -5
With news of more Gary Bettman for the NHL, it got me thinking, of the four major sports, who do you feel has done the best job so far? Bettman is the longest serving of the four, since the other 3 were replaced within the last few years.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 31, 2016 14:20:30 GMT -5
We miss ya Paul Tagliabue.
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Post by triplethreatmark on Jan 31, 2016 16:06:39 GMT -5
I voted for Bettman. I'm a hockey guy first, so despite his millions of detractors, I think he's done a pretty great job overall in this 23 year tenure. I mean, he's obviously not perfect and sometime the hate is definitely justified; but he's done more for hockey than many of the NHL presidents before him.
However, with that said, all of the commissioners do leave a lot to be desired. Although, so far, Adam Silver seems pretty good. Then again, maybe I'm off base since I don't really follow basketball.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Jan 31, 2016 20:01:05 GMT -5
In the name of all things holy, who on earth voted for Goodell?
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 31, 2016 20:06:04 GMT -5
Silver, followed by Manfred.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jan 31, 2016 20:09:38 GMT -5
Have to go with Bettman on this one, because Silver and Manfred are basically just starting and Goodell, while starting out ok has taken a hit in reputation in the past few years after all the scandals.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 31, 2016 20:38:26 GMT -5
I'm a baseball fan first and foremost; Manfred concerns me because he's, by many accounts, Bud Selig's handpicked successor, and Bug Selig was pretty shitty in many, many ways. Bud was no Roger Goodell, I'll grant you, but still the father of some terrible ideas and business practices.
Still, I'll throw Manfred my vote based on no other reason than his recent statement that, no, he's not in favor of the DH coming to the National League. This is the field to die on, sir, never give up this fight!
Now, hockey runs a close second in my heart, but I can't in good conscience vote for Bettman given that he dumped the evil goalie trapezoid on the league, almost entirely just to screw with Martin Brodeur. Smart commish, place a rule that makes it harder for one of your all time great star players to showcase his abilities!
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 31, 2016 20:43:43 GMT -5
Silver and Manfred are showing to be much more proactive than Bud Selig and David Stern were in their later years. Not that Stern was a bad commish, but the last several years he became more of a character IMO than an actual authority figure, while Bud became more and more out of touch.
While I think Goddell has done some good for the NFL, his ego and how he has mishandled things in the past have led to him having zero public support and then messing up and mishandling more issues that pop up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 12:39:11 GMT -5
Adam Silver's first act was to ban Donald Sterling for life. That alone makes him the greatest.
The other 3 are meh, to me. Unless Manfred actually listens to the Oakland A's and tries to help them get out of the e.coli Coliseum, he's no better than Bud Selig, who often either ignored them or listened to the Giants instead.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 1, 2016 13:54:48 GMT -5
Silver is pretty good. Manfred is eh. Bettman is awful. Goodell is a scumbag.
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Post by BRV on Feb 1, 2016 16:15:37 GMT -5
Rob Manfred is too early into his tenure as commissioner to properly gauge his effectiveness. He'll need at least another two or three years - or some colossal blunder in the interim - before we can really say where he falls in the rankings.
Adam Silver probably gets my vote because he's yet to really do anything wrong. He hasn't done anything to make him stand out as head and shoulders above the rest, but judging by his competition in this category, being inoffensive probably makes you the leader of the pack.
Gary Bettman is an ineffective boob. The lockouts of 1994-95 and 2012-13 did him no favors and arguably his worst moments were losing the entire 2004-05 season, a decision from which the National Hockey League has yet to fully recover. The NHL went from arguably America's third most popular sport when Bettman arrived in 1993 to now being the clear fourth. The sport lost popularity under his tenure which is inexcusable.
Roger Goodell is an evil megalomaniac. I cannot say enough negative things about him and what he's done since taking over for Paul Tagliabue. The sport has grown to heights it has never before reached but almost none of that is attributable to Goodell. A labrador retriever in a sport coat could have overseen the NFL over the past decade and it would have grown to the same current levels of popularity and financial success. From the deplorable way he's handled the league's concussion crisis to the Ray Rice situation to the "Deflategate" fiasco, Goodell has only made things worse for the NFL.
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Post by sfvega on Feb 1, 2016 17:29:13 GMT -5
Silver is a very capable guy taking over for Stern, who by the end of his run was pretty widely respected. The NBA has done well to not only sustain interest, hype, and a better image, but actually seemingly grow. So that in itself is very impressive leadership.
Manfred, who knows? He hasn't done anything negative so far, so by sports standards, he's doing above average.
Bettman is a moron, and deserves all the ill will he gets.
Goodell, I was actually in support of many years ago. I do think he catches a lot of flack unfairly for the new, concussion-conscious rules, but that's really the only way that football is sustainable. But past that, he's an actively incompetent failure. He is like Bettman's younger brother. Not only can he not competently lead, but everyone with the slightest information on the guy knows he has the reputation and backbone comparable to that of garbage water. The type of guy who you give a second chance to, just because you know he can somehow make a bigger ass out of himself the 2nd time. Negative stars.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Feb 2, 2016 11:03:35 GMT -5
I don't get the Silver likes. He banned Serling for PR reasons. Nothing about the NBA is better now than it was before. Sleeved jerseys are terrible, ads on uniforms is inevitable relegating the NBA to being the equivalent to my local rec league and the product as a whole is still the same as it was when Stern was there.
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Post by BRV on Feb 2, 2016 12:06:23 GMT -5
I don't get the Silver likes. He banned Serling for PR reasons. Nothing about the NBA is better now than it was before. Sleeved jerseys are terrible, ads on uniforms is inevitable relegating the NBA to being the equivalent to my local rec league and the product as a whole is still the same as it was when Stern was there. I don't necessarily know if people like him, they just haven't been given a strong enough reason to dislike him. There are plenty of reasons to dislike Roger Goodell and Gary Bettman and the book on Rob Manfred has yet to be written, so Silver is the best apple in a bad bushel.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 2, 2016 12:26:07 GMT -5
The Sterling ban impressed because it happened so early in his tenure. I think people expected a much lighter punishment not wanting to rock the boat in spite of how widely disliked Sterling was before then. After all, Stern didn't really do anything to him and that was in spite of some truly terrible things Sterling had done. Stern was also generally the most respected of the commissioners before his retirement (in spite of "basketball reasons") and Silver is continuing his legacy, more or less.
Sleeved jerseys are pretty awful, though.
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Post by sfvega on Feb 2, 2016 16:07:59 GMT -5
I don't get the Silver likes. He banned Serling for PR reasons. Nothing about the NBA is better now than it was before. Sleeved jerseys are terrible, ads on uniforms is inevitable relegating the NBA to being the equivalent to my local rec league and the product as a whole is still the same as it was when Stern was there. You cannot possibly ignore the growth of the league internationally, the stability of the average viewer age compared to baseball and football (which are getting older and older), and the league blowing up on social media. They are destroying the NFL on YouTube, Twitter, etc. They connect better with a younger generation now than ever, and wildly more so than any other league. That trumps concerns about sleeved jerseys 1000 fold.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 16:37:06 GMT -5
They're pretty much all power hungry monsters who love the owners and f*** over the players.
I'll go with NBA guy or as Tripping Buster Olney on twitter calls him, "DOBBY THE HOUSE ELF."
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Post by BRV on Feb 2, 2016 17:31:04 GMT -5
They're pretty much all power hungry monsters who love the owners and f*** over the players. Not to defend any of the individual actions, but that's kind of their job. They are hired by the owners, they work for the owners, and their role is protect the owner's best interests. In a situation such as a lockout or a player strike, it's the role of the commissioner to serve as the owners' emissary. The players' unions have their own representatives and heads of players' associations.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Feb 2, 2016 21:05:33 GMT -5
1. Adam Silver. His first act as Commissioner was to ban Donald Sterling for life, and he's the only commissioner open to sports betting and working with the government and oddsmakers rather than keeping a blanket ban in place.
2. Rob Manfred. I'm judging him as an Oakland A's fan, but he seems much more committed to resolving the team's stadium issue than Selig who punted to a "blue ribbon committee" who after five years never spoke a word about their findings. I'll judge Manfred by whether Oakland still has a team by the end.
3. Roger Goodell. Presided over rule changes that killed the game while arguably doing nothing to make it safer. Has proven to be an empty suit in cases of player misconduct, DeflateGate being the most high-profile example.
4. Gary Bettman. The only reason Goodell is not in last. Three lockouts, one of which led to an entire season being canceled. Relocating from traditional hockey markets and into hockey wastelands, including through expansion. It seemed like hockey would do better in Milwaukee and in Canada than Atlanta and Florida, but what do I know?
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Post by sfvega on Feb 2, 2016 23:03:55 GMT -5
1. Adam Silver. His first act as Commissioner was to ban Donald Sterling for life, and he's the only commissioner open to sports betting and working with the government and oddsmakers rather than keeping a blanket ban in place. 2. Rob Manfred. I'm judging him as an Oakland A's fan, but he seems much more committed to resolving the team's stadium issue than Selig who punted to a "blue ribbon committee" who after five years never spoke a word about their findings. I'll judge Manfred by whether Oakland still has a team by the end. 3. Roger Goodell. Presided over rule changes that killed the game while arguably doing nothing to make it safer. Has proven to be an empty suit in cases of player misconduct, DeflateGate being the most high-profile example. 4. Gary Bettman. The only reason Goodell is not in last. Three lockouts, one of which led to an entire season being canceled. Relocating from traditional hockey markets and into hockey wastelands, including through expansion. It seemed like hockey would do better in Milwaukee and in Canada than Atlanta and Florida, but what do I know? I really don't like your post because it makes me defend a couple of guys who I wish were broke. But Goodell and the NFL are trying to make the game safer. There's honestly very little argument against that. Yes, they have made rules that also favor QBs and WRs for their own personal gain under the guise of player safety. But something like trying to legislate the kickoff out of the game entirely because of the speed involved. I mean, those are special teams players. Bottom 1/3 of the roster guys who they are trying to avoid running into each other at high speeds. And I say that as someone who misses the kickoff, but it's 100% a sensible rule aimed at player safety. I would also venture to guess that there's less helmet-to-helmet hits and launching involved in tackling versus the early 00's. A lot of the relocating in the NHL had to do with the Canadian dollar weakening. There's no shortage of support in Canada for the product. Now, trying to expand to Florida and Atlanta and Phoenix especially was stupid, true. Though, Tampa has really caught on. But Quebec and Winnepeg couldn't really be helped at the time.
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