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Post by sfvega on Feb 3, 2016 1:34:06 GMT -5
Brock and Heyman are a microcosm of the current WWE. Individually, two incredibly talented guys. But in a machine that can't really write or book a really competent product, they're just kind of drifting aimlessly along.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Feb 3, 2016 1:35:28 GMT -5
This "Suplex City" shit hasn't helped. It's reduced Brock from a serial killer to a one-move guy. Plus, it's overused. Every promo mentions it repeatedly. Despite how much they've spammed it in promos, I think WWE would have been stupid to not capitalise on "Suplex City" somehow with how quickly that caught on after it happened. But I think that also speaks more of the lack of credibility that the RAW commentary team has with the fanbase whenever they bring it up... It's just total "How do you do, fellow kids?" to me. EVERY organic things that gets over (cause it's not like some agent in the back told Brock to yell "Suplex City, BITCH!" at Roman before they went out there) gets turned into cheesy corporate speak/put on a tshirt/rammed into oblivion by WWE. Without fail. I love Brock (obviously)...all versions of Brock...the man is a lethal killing machine no matter how you slice it. He looks the part. He acts the part in the ring. He's their most credible guy by FAR in a "real" sense. And they are absolutely hell bent on making sure he is squeezed into that corporate, tshirt friendly box. Credibility and such be damned. Heyman, as the ultimate hype man, may hit on a lot of the same points over and over....but he still manages to dull the corporatizing of a killer enough to keep Brock's Murder Death Kill heat intact.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Feb 3, 2016 1:46:42 GMT -5
Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by ilggant on Feb 3, 2016 2:15:46 GMT -5
Despite how much they've spammed it in promos, I think WWE would have been stupid to not capitalise on "Suplex City" somehow with how quickly that caught on after it happened. But I think that also speaks more of the lack of credibility that the RAW commentary team has with the fanbase whenever they bring it up... It's just total "How do you do, fellow kids?" to me. EVERY organic things that gets over (cause it's not like some agent in the back told Brock to yell "Suplex City, BITCH!" at Roman before they went out there) gets turned into cheesy corporate speak/put on a tshirt/rammed into oblivion by WWE. Without fail. I love Brock (obviously)...all versions of Brock...the man is a lethal killing machine no matter how you slice it. He looks the part. He acts the part in the ring. He's their most credible guy by FAR in a "real" sense. And they are absolutely hell bent on making sure he is squeezed into that corporate, tshirt friendly box. Credibility and such be damned. Heyman, as the ultimate hype man, may hit on a lot of the same points over and over....but he still manages to dull the corporatizing of a killer enough to keep Brock's Murder Death Kill heat intact. I don't hate the phrase as such when it is used in a promo. It's when the announcers call the move just that, that it starts to irritate me. I can't remember what match it was, but Cole kept referring to the move as 'Suplex City'. It's a f'n SUPLEX. I wouldn't mind them saying stuff like 'welcome to Suplex City' as soon as Brock starts Borking people, but don't call the actual move that. It makes me want to mute the show.
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Post by Vern on Feb 3, 2016 2:19:55 GMT -5
It just seems like he's been saying the exact same promo for about two years now, with the exception of trying to make that bullshit "11th Commandment" mouthful a thing. He's probably the best on the mic in the company which is why it's so frustrating because now it seems he's there to just rattle off his catchphrases. I..I dunno. Am I alone here? The 11th commandment needs to drop the "intentionally". It just doesn't track right. Other than that I love Heyman's shtick. It's repetitive It's repetitive, but almost every good mic worker's been such. From Austin to Hogan to Rock to Foley to Flair.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 3, 2016 4:33:20 GMT -5
Put him on commentary with Cole and Saxton. It's one person replacing another but it would be such a huge improvement.
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Post by audiencewatching on Feb 3, 2016 4:35:45 GMT -5
Yes, but ultimately I'd rather have him doing that than not being present at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 5:00:08 GMT -5
I've been saying this for months and got nuclear heat for it, good to see more people agreeing.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 3, 2016 5:31:23 GMT -5
EVERY organic things that gets over (cause it's not like some agent in the back told Brock to yell "Suplex City, BITCH!" at Roman before they went out there) gets turned into cheesy corporate speak/put on a tshirt/rammed into oblivion by WWE. Without fail. I love Brock (obviously)...all versions of Brock...the man is a lethal killing machine no matter how you slice it. He looks the part. He acts the part in the ring. He's their most credible guy by FAR in a "real" sense. And they are absolutely hell bent on making sure he is squeezed into that corporate, tshirt friendly box. Credibility and such be damned. Heyman, as the ultimate hype man, may hit on a lot of the same points over and over....but he still manages to dull the corporatizing of a killer enough to keep Brock's Murder Death Kill heat intact. I don't hate the phrase as such when it is used in a promo. It's when the announcers call the move just that, that it starts to irritate me. I can't remember what match it was, but Cole kept referring to the move as 'Suplex City'. It's a f'n SUPLEX. I wouldn't mind them saying stuff like 'welcome to Suplex City' as soon as Brock starts Borking people, but don't call the actual move that. It makes me want to mute the show. Imo "Suplex City" shouldn't be used in promos either.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Feb 3, 2016 9:59:05 GMT -5
I got sick of him when he started to manage Cesaro, yeah right, Bork broke the streak and all, but if you keep spouting that "MUH CLIENT BRRRRRAAAAAARRRCK LOOOOOBSTEEEER" shit week, after week, after week, while being on the ring with another guy not named Brock Lesnar that doesn't have the right mic skills for doing longer promos (and he could definitely have gotten over with a great mouthpiece while having those awesome ring skills), you end up pretty much burying him. Brack Lobster needs to become a thing NOW.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 10:07:51 GMT -5
I've felt like he's kind of getting the Road Dogg treatment, promo wise.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Feb 3, 2016 10:43:56 GMT -5
I love Heyman, I'd listen to him read a phone book. I'd listen to him read War and Peace.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 3, 2016 11:30:04 GMT -5
EVERY organic things that gets over (cause it's not like some agent in the back told Brock to yell "Suplex City, BITCH!" at Roman before they went out there) gets turned into cheesy corporate speak/put on a tshirt/rammed into oblivion by WWE. Without fail. I love Brock (obviously)...all versions of Brock...the man is a lethal killing machine no matter how you slice it. He looks the part. He acts the part in the ring. He's their most credible guy by FAR in a "real" sense. And they are absolutely hell bent on making sure he is squeezed into that corporate, tshirt friendly box. Credibility and such be damned. Heyman, as the ultimate hype man, may hit on a lot of the same points over and over....but he still manages to dull the corporatizing of a killer enough to keep Brock's Murder Death Kill heat intact. I don't hate the phrase as such when it is used in a promo. It's when the announcers call the move just that, that it starts to irritate me. I can't remember what match it was, but Cole kept referring to the move as 'Suplex City'. It's a f'n SUPLEX. I wouldn't mind them saying stuff like 'welcome to Suplex City' as soon as Brock starts Borking people, but don't call the actual move that. It makes me want to mute the show. They haven't called the moves for years, though. It's that which I hate the most on the commentary now, is that they don't call the moves.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Feb 3, 2016 11:52:22 GMT -5
I enjoyed him ripping Cole a new one on commentary Monday Night. I would be okay with him and Mauro Ranallo doing commentary. Hell, they could add Byron as well. He might be better with a change in teammates.
JBL & Cole should just do their JBL & Cole Show on the WWE Network. Lawler should retire before he's shipped off to the old folks home or before he has another heart attack on television.
Even Curly knew to cut back after his heart attack.
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Post by sunnytaker on Feb 3, 2016 13:35:31 GMT -5
he's kinda like the Rock in that he can do a 15 minute promo just by combining all his catchphrases in no particular order or make a 10 minute setup just to use the one people are most wasting for.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Feb 3, 2016 13:37:34 GMT -5
I love Heyman, I'd listen to him read a phone book. I'd listen to him read War and Peace.
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Post by keezy on Feb 3, 2016 13:39:45 GMT -5
As much as people criticize his time with Cesaro, Axel and Ryback, he seemed like he was trying to do new things other than the same "MY NAME IS PAWWWWWL HEYMAN, BRRRRRAWWWKKK LESNARRRR, THE ONE IN 21 AND 1, THE BEAST INCARNATE, SUPLEX CITY, etc".
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Feb 3, 2016 13:40:19 GMT -5
Heyman is amazing. He, still to this day, is probably the best mic worker in WWE (which is a pretty sad indictment of both creative and the other performers). The man could sell sand to the desert.
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Post by -Lithium- on Feb 3, 2016 16:33:19 GMT -5
I remember not looking forward to what I thought was going to be "20 OTHER MEN HAVE TRIED BUT ONLY BARRRRRACCCCK LESNAR COULD DO IT" after WM 30, but that ended up being as amazing promo.
But I agree. Like I said in the RAW thread on Monday: "Stop with the f***ing suplex city shit."
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Post by ilggant on Feb 3, 2016 18:31:42 GMT -5
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