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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 9, 2016 17:20:52 GMT -5
He doesn't need any Salvaging. He should keep doing exactly what he is doing. he is insanely entertaining and the people who hate him will hate him no matter what he does. Sure, if you completely ignore everything a large majority of people here say. There are threads upon threads upon threads here that contradict this.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 9, 2016 17:21:24 GMT -5
I'll be that guy. "Heel turn". Honestly, running with Reigns as the corporate approved champion would be over like gangbusters. I mean we all know he's the corporate approved guy... RUN WITH IT. But "Make Roman Look Strong" would contradict "Make HHH and Steph the Coolest People in the Room".
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Post by wisdomwizard on Feb 9, 2016 17:21:27 GMT -5
Let me put it in a way WWE creative can understand MORE PUNCHY LESS TALKY They've HAVE been doing that. All his promos in recent months have been good without the goofy catchphrases and leaving them shorter and to the point. They're already booking him how he should be, with Ambrose taking center stage in the feud with Brock at the moment. Roman doesn't need to turn heel. Just because Vince thinks he could be the flag-bearer doesn't mean he must be heel. Just have him wreck people and keep showing his friendship with Ambrose, that's all that's needed.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 9, 2016 17:22:34 GMT -5
Most people don't hate Roman Reigns. They hate the presentation of Roman Reigns. Like most people who "hate" John Cena usually will argue the presentation of him is the thing they have the most disdain. What people argue and reality aren't always the same. When Bryan wasn't in the Royal Rumble (facing Wyatt instead), there were a ton of people who "argued" that they were OK with him not winning it, as long as he was just in it. That's all they were asking. A year later, he was in it and didn't win it ... and not one of those people said, "See, that's all I was asking. I'm satisfied." Did you watch that Rumble? He was tossed like a lame salad. He was still arguably the most over guy on the whole roster and they treated him like any other midcard rubbish. You never saw anyone else that over treated like that in the past. There was a damn good reason to be angry at that Rumble (mind you, one of many).
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 9, 2016 17:24:28 GMT -5
I still think it would be fun to have a champion that IS the chosen one by the authority but hates that he's the chosen one. Ideally it would be Cena and the authority would keep helping him win and setting up the odds in his favor, infuriating Cena because he'd be presented as a heel who doesn't want to be a heel. He could slowly start to accept it and then become a full blown heel eventually or he'd get over huge as a babyface and finally break away when the authority found a new chosen one.
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Post by saintpat on Feb 9, 2016 17:26:22 GMT -5
For YEARS, you couldn't go on this forum without finding posts and threads about "All I want is Cena out of the main event and out of the title picture." He's pretty much been out of both for the majority of the last couple of years. Find me a post that says, "Well, I'm OK with Cena in the midcard. That's cool with me." That is a bold faced lie, or plain ignorance. There have been PLENTY of people on this forum alone who said they loved Cena's US Open challenge. Take this thread for example: officialfan.proboards.com/thread/531289/opinion-cena-title-open-challengeMore people liked it than didn't. Of course there is always going to be people who didn't like it, that's the beauty of different opinions. Sure, there were some people who liked the open U.S. challenge, but he's been out of the main event and title picture for a lot longer than that, which was my point in that post -- not that no one liked anything that he had done, but that the people who said they wanted him out of the title picture are still generally dissatisfied after getting what they asked for. Giving people -- at least people on wrestling forums -- what they say they want doesn't actually make them happy in many instances. Another example is people who say they want mid-card storylines, but MANY of them (not every single one) gripe when they get those because someone they want pushed to the main event is instead in a mid-card storyline. I know a lot of different opinions are spread out over the board, but there are some topics upon which there has been general agreement, and even among those when WWE does what the expressed majority say they want ... then it's "Well, they didn't do what I asked for HOW I wanted them to do it."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 17:28:38 GMT -5
no. there's no way to fix him, at least for me.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Feb 9, 2016 17:40:34 GMT -5
That is a bold faced lie, or plain ignorance. There have been PLENTY of people on this forum alone who said they loved Cena's US Open challenge. Take this thread for example: officialfan.proboards.com/thread/531289/opinion-cena-title-open-challengeMore people liked it than didn't. Of course there is always going to be people who didn't like it, that's the beauty of different opinions. Sure, there were some people who liked the open U.S. challenge, but he's been out of the main event and title picture for a lot longer than that, which was my point in that post -- not that no one liked anything that he had done, but that the people who said they wanted him out of the title picture are still generally dissatisfied after getting what they asked for. Giving people -- at least people on wrestling forums -- what they say they want doesn't actually make them happy in many instances. Another example is people who say they want mid-card storylines, but MANY of them (not every single one) gripe when they get those because someone they want pushed to the main event is instead in a mid-card storyline. I know a lot of different opinions are spread out over the board, but there are some topics upon which there has been general agreement, and even among those when WWE does what the expressed majority say they want ... then it's "Well, they didn't do what I asked for HOW I wanted them to do it." But he hasn't been out of the world title picture longer than that? He received a 1-on-1 WWE title shot on PPV as recently as SummerSlam. That's not being in the midcard.
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Post by Sicho100 on Feb 9, 2016 17:49:34 GMT -5
That is a bold faced lie, or plain ignorance. There have been PLENTY of people on this forum alone who said they loved Cena's US Open challenge. Take this thread for example: officialfan.proboards.com/thread/531289/opinion-cena-title-open-challengeMore people liked it than didn't. Of course there is always going to be people who didn't like it, that's the beauty of different opinions. Sure, there were some people who liked the open U.S. challenge, but he's been out of the main event and title picture for a lot longer than that, which was my point in that post -- not that no one liked anything that he had done, but that the people who said they wanted him out of the title picture are still generally dissatisfied after getting what they asked for. Giving people -- at least people on wrestling forums -- what they say they want doesn't actually make them happy in many instances. Another example is people who say they want mid-card storylines, but MANY of them (not every single one) gripe when they get those because someone they want pushed to the main event is instead in a mid-card storyline. I know a lot of different opinions are spread out over the board, but there are some topics upon which there has been general agreement, and even among those when WWE does what the expressed majority say they want ... then it's "Well, they didn't do what I asked for HOW I wanted them to do it." He wasn't out of the main event before that, though. Let's go through it, shall we? Let's start with Punk's reign. You know, the one that you say people complain about because he wasn't invincible: Survivor Series, 2011: Punk wins title, Cena/Rock v. Awesome Truth main events. TLC, 2011: Punk in main event, Cena not on show. RR, 2012: Punk in the last match before the Rumble, Cena/Kane on the undercard EC, 2012: Punk retains the title in the opener, Cena/Kane main events Mania, 2012: Punk/Jericho on the undercard, Cena/Rock main events ER, 2012: Punk/Jericho undercard, Cena/Brock ME Over the Limit, 2012: Punk/Bryan undercard, Cena/Ace ME NWO, 2012: Punk/Bryan/Kane undercard, Cena/Big Show ME MITB, 2012: Punk/Bryan undercard, Cena winning MITB ME Summerslam, 2012: Cena/Punk/Big Show next-to-last (Brock/HHH ME) NOC, 2012: Cena/Punk ME HIAC, 2012: Punk/Ryback ME, Cena injured SurSer, 2012: Punk/Cena/Ryback ME TLC, 2012: Punk injured, Cena/Dolph ME RR, 2013: Punk/Rock ME In that reign, Cena main evented 10 shows, Punk main evented 6 - and that's including the last pre-Rumble match in 2012 (hey, maybe that discrepancy is why people complain about Punk's reign! But, of course, that would have to deal with what people actually complain about, rather than a strawman of what they complain about). Then, obviously, Cena goes on to beat Rock for the title, which he holds to Summerslam, and then goes off on injury. When he comes back, he wins the WHC, and is in the BIGGEST MATCH EVER~ in the title merger. Bryan takes over for a second, before Cena wins the title again at MITB 2014, which he loses to Brock. Cena then stays in the title picture through the Rumble of 2015, at which point he finally moves down the card for the US title.
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Post by saintpat on Feb 9, 2016 18:18:23 GMT -5
Sure, there were some people who liked the open U.S. challenge, but he's been out of the main event and title picture for a lot longer than that, which was my point in that post -- not that no one liked anything that he had done, but that the people who said they wanted him out of the title picture are still generally dissatisfied after getting what they asked for. Giving people -- at least people on wrestling forums -- what they say they want doesn't actually make them happy in many instances. Another example is people who say they want mid-card storylines, but MANY of them (not every single one) gripe when they get those because someone they want pushed to the main event is instead in a mid-card storyline. I know a lot of different opinions are spread out over the board, but there are some topics upon which there has been general agreement, and even among those when WWE does what the expressed majority say they want ... then it's "Well, they didn't do what I asked for HOW I wanted them to do it." But he hasn't been out of the world title picture longer than that? He received a 1-on-1 WWE title shot on PPV as recently as SummerSlam. That's not being in the midcard. Since October 2014, he's mostly been away from the main event and away from the title. Some of his pre-October 2014 time in the top echelon of the card was due, undoubtedly, to the absence of Bryan due to injury. And SummerSlam was a one-off like six months ago, and wasn't even a main event -- that was Brock-Taker on top. You seem basically to saying that unless John Cena is completely irradicated, it doesn't count. But I clearly remember reading dozens upon dozens of posts pre-2014 from people saying they just wanted Cena out of the title scene and away from the main event. Mostly they've gotten that, yet I don't see the love. My point is giving people what they post about -- the things they say they want -- doesn't always (I'd argue even often) result in them being happy. Another example: go back to last year and you can't count how many people were posting that they have no problem with Roman Reigns, it's just too soon, wait a year. OK, WWE waited a year. And those people still don't want RR in the main event.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 18:22:53 GMT -5
But he hasn't been out of the world title picture longer than that? He received a 1-on-1 WWE title shot on PPV as recently as SummerSlam. That's not being in the midcard. Since October 2014, he's mostly been away from the main event and away from the title. Some of his pre-October 2014 time in the top echelon of the card was due, undoubtedly, to the absence of Bryan due to injury. And SummerSlam was a one-off like six months ago, and wasn't even a main event -- that was Brock-Taker on top. You seem basically to saying that unless John Cena is completely irradicated, it doesn't count. But I clearly remember reading dozens upon dozens of posts pre-2014 from people saying they just wanted Cena out of the title scene and away from the main event. Mostly they've gotten that, yet I don't see the love. My point is giving people what they post about -- the things they say they want -- doesn't always (I'd argue even often) result in them being happy. Another example: go back to last year and you can't count how many people were posting that they have no problem with Roman Reigns, it's just too soon, wait a year. OK, WWE waited a year. And those people still don't want RR in the main event. Because WWE has done nothing to actually address people's complaints with him. Yes, Reigns has gotten much better in the ring and he's more qualified now than he was this time last year. He still has absolutely no real consistent character to speak of, still is leeching off the Shield, still can at times put on some real borefests, and still isn't a particularly great speaker. And hey, there's also a certain unspoken, "Wait a year and see how he is in that time," to that. People figured maybe he'd be more entertaining with some extra seasoning and to them, he isn't. Personally, I like Roman, but I don't main focus of the show like him and I have yet to see him demonstrate any reason why he should be in that position. If you like the idea of the show being centered entirely around him, cool, I hope you're enjoying. But that doesn't mean other people are wrong for not liking it.
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Post by saintpat on Feb 9, 2016 18:31:53 GMT -5
Since October 2014, he's mostly been away from the main event and away from the title. Some of his pre-October 2014 time in the top echelon of the card was due, undoubtedly, to the absence of Bryan due to injury. And SummerSlam was a one-off like six months ago, and wasn't even a main event -- that was Brock-Taker on top. You seem basically to saying that unless John Cena is completely irradicated, it doesn't count. But I clearly remember reading dozens upon dozens of posts pre-2014 from people saying they just wanted Cena out of the title scene and away from the main event. Mostly they've gotten that, yet I don't see the love. My point is giving people what they post about -- the things they say they want -- doesn't always (I'd argue even often) result in them being happy. Another example: go back to last year and you can't count how many people were posting that they have no problem with Roman Reigns, it's just too soon, wait a year. OK, WWE waited a year. And those people still don't want RR in the main event. Because WWE has done nothing to actually address people's complaints with him. Yes, Reigns has gotten much better in the ring and he's more qualified now than he was this time last year. He still has absolutely no real consistent character to speak of, still is leeching off the Shield, still can at times put on some real borefests, and still isn't a particularly great speaker. And hey, there's also a certain unspoken, "Wait a year and see how he is in that time," to that. People figured maybe he'd be more entertaining with some extra seasoning and to them, he isn't. Personally, I like Roman, but I don't main focus of the show like him and I have yet to see him demonstrate any reason why he should be in that position. If you like the idea of the show being centered entirely around him, cool, I hope you're enjoying. But that doesn't mean other people are wrong for not liking it. I certainly don't demand that anyone like anything. I like a lot of things and don't like others. I'm just saying if you don't like someone or something, say so. Don't come with "in a year he'll be ready and I'll accept him in that role" and a year later, when WWE does pretty much what you ask, come up with a different reason why you don't want it -- just admit you don't like the guy if that's the case. I personally don't think RR needs to be salvaged. He's rather over. He's not 100 percent over with 100 percent of the audience, but WWE can't say, "We're just going to hold off on WM for a few years if necessary until we have a new Hogan/Rock/Austin/Cena." Someone has to be in that role. I think he's as good a choice as any. I'd be equally happy if it was Ambrose, and I was happy with Lesnar in that role.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Feb 9, 2016 18:46:08 GMT -5
But he hasn't been out of the world title picture longer than that? He received a 1-on-1 WWE title shot on PPV as recently as SummerSlam. That's not being in the midcard. Since October 2014, he's mostly been away from the main event and away from the title. Some of his pre-October 2014 time in the top echelon of the card was due, undoubtedly, to the absence of Bryan due to injury. And SummerSlam was a one-off like six months ago, and wasn't even a main event -- that was Brock-Taker on top. You seem basically to saying that unless John Cena is completely irradicated, it doesn't count. But I clearly remember reading dozens upon dozens of posts pre-2014 from people saying they just wanted Cena out of the title scene and away from the main event. Mostly they've gotten that, yet I don't see the love. My point is giving people what they post about -- the things they say they want -- doesn't always (I'd argue even often) result in them being happy. Another example: go back to last year and you can't count how many people were posting that they have no problem with Roman Reigns, it's just too soon, wait a year. OK, WWE waited a year. And those people still don't want RR in the main event.That's the thing though, you don't know it's those people. If you can find one individual who said "it's too soon, wait a year" and then a year later still disliked Roman Reigns, then fair enough. I don't think you can though. And SummerSlam wasn't a one off. He was in main event or focus of the show matches at Survivor Series 2014, TLC 2014, Royal Rumble 2015 and NOC 2015. Yes, it's a lot better than it has been for the last 10 years but let's not make out he's on the same level as Wade Barrett or someone. I don't remember there being a feeling of "if Cena is out of the main event, we'll love him". I think that's a mistake on your part. People wanted him out of the main event full stop and SOME people said they'd like him a lot better if that were the case. And I think generally people did like Cena more last year. Again, we don't have specific examples. And as for people "getting what they want", sometimes that's not a fair assessment of the situation. Your theory seems to be that people said they would be happy for Daniel Bryan to just be in the Rumble and technically that's true. However it's pretty obvious people would be unhappy if say Bryan was in the Royal Rumble, but was eliminated within 30 seconds by Zack Ryder. You're taking people words way too literally when it's obvious what people mean. For the record people would have been happy with Daniel Bryan just being in the Rumble, provided it was a worthy showing of a popular main event star. It wasn't. Thus, people were rightly unhappy.
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Post by saintpat on Feb 9, 2016 18:57:48 GMT -5
Since October 2014, he's mostly been away from the main event and away from the title. Some of his pre-October 2014 time in the top echelon of the card was due, undoubtedly, to the absence of Bryan due to injury. And SummerSlam was a one-off like six months ago, and wasn't even a main event -- that was Brock-Taker on top. You seem basically to saying that unless John Cena is completely irradicated, it doesn't count. But I clearly remember reading dozens upon dozens of posts pre-2014 from people saying they just wanted Cena out of the title scene and away from the main event. Mostly they've gotten that, yet I don't see the love. My point is giving people what they post about -- the things they say they want -- doesn't always (I'd argue even often) result in them being happy. Another example: go back to last year and you can't count how many people were posting that they have no problem with Roman Reigns, it's just too soon, wait a year. OK, WWE waited a year. And those people still don't want RR in the main event.That's the thing though, you don't know it's those people. If you can find one individual who said "it's too soon, wait a year" and then a year later still disliked Roman Reigns, then fair enough. I don't think you can though. And SummerSlam wasn't a one off. He was in main event or focus of the show matches at Survivor Series 2014, TLC 2014, Royal Rumble 2015 and NOC 2015. Yes, it's a lot better than it has been for the last 10 years but let's not make out he's on the same level as Wade Barrett or someone. I don't remember there being a feeling of "if Cena is out of the main event, we'll love him". I think that's a mistake on your part. People wanted him out of the main event full stop and SOME people said they'd like him a lot better if that were the case. And I think generally people did like Cena more last year. Again, we don't have specific examples. And as for people "getting what they want", sometimes that's not a fair assessment of the situation. Your theory seems to be that people said they would be happy for Daniel Bryan to just be in the Rumble and technically that's true. However it's pretty obvious people would be unhappy if say Bryan was in the Royal Rumble, but was eliminated within 30 seconds by Zack Ryder. You're taking people words way too literally when it's obvious what people mean. For the record people would have been happy with Daniel Bryan just being in the Rumble, provided it was a worthy showing of a popular main event star. It wasn't. Thus, people were rightly unhappy. I hear what you're saying and respect your viewpoint. We're probably both right and both wrong to some degree. Whatever the case, I believe what I'm saying and you believe what you're saying, but I feel like I've helped hijack this thread, so I'll limit my posts to Roman here if I have anything more to say.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 9, 2016 19:02:05 GMT -5
Book him according to his own strengths and characteristics. Don't try and make him into the next Cena.
And don't make him into "the guy". He needs to be one of many guys at the top of the company. Having one "star" puts too much pressure on a wrestler and leads to staleness.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Feb 9, 2016 19:06:31 GMT -5
Probably not for me. I just think he's so unlikeable.
Within 4 seconds of him appearing last night he'd done that stupid thing with his hands when he's sticking out his pinkies and thumbs AND he did some weird thing where it looked like he signed an invisible autograph.
He's just a big corny bellend. The Usos do the same annoying shit and I don't like them either. Maybe people like it or think it's cool I dunno, maybe I'm just getting old and don't understand it. Whatever it is, it makes me want to see someone punch him in the face.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 9, 2016 19:22:13 GMT -5
Let me put it in a way WWE creative can understand MORE PUNCHY LESS TALKY The problem with this is that it can't last. If his selling point is his power, aggressiveness, and dominance, it'll wear thin, and his heel opponents will start getting cheered as underdogs.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 9, 2016 19:40:40 GMT -5
He needs to learn how to organically connect with the audience. Only then can he truly get over as top face.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Feb 9, 2016 19:59:39 GMT -5
I'll be that guy. "Heel turn". Honestly, running with Reigns as the corporate approved champion would be over like gangbusters. I mean we all know he's the corporate approved guy... RUN WITH IT. I also still feel like we've been given no real reason why the authority doesn't want Roman as champ. Sure, he's beat them up a couple of times, but it's not like Austin/Vince where Austin wasn't the image they wanted to portray. Which makes them seem like they're nefarious for it's own sake, which is just silly. "I'm a bad guy because...reasons"
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 9, 2016 21:36:34 GMT -5
1) "Fire him."
2) To sell the firing, have him work a weekend or two with EVOLVE.
3) Watch as, now that Roman Reigns has indy matches under his belt, he instantly becomes popular with the people who hate him.
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