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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 22, 2016 12:15:21 GMT -5
I'll focus on the "what went wrong this time" part of the question.
A couple of months ago we saw Reigns finally deliver a decisive beat down to HHH, overcome the odds and win the title. Yay! People seemed pretty happy with that.
Now the hook for WM is the prospect of seeing Reigns overcome the odds, beat HHH and win the title. We've literally just seen that!
In addition to that it's at least a partial retread of elements from the past two WM stories. Or even the past few years. Hell might as well extend it to the last two decades.
So far there's been nothing to freshen things up especially with HHH being AWOL most weeks, sure there's still time but now they've lost momentum it'll be even tougher.
At least Ambrose or somebody else would offer something new.
tl;dr - Same old shit. (Which is ridiculous as Reigns hasn't even been around for that long, it shouldn't feel that way)
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 22, 2016 12:23:08 GMT -5
Reigns' problem is that he is booked in ways that expose his flaws and de-emphasize his strengths. He can't be the man for all seasons tgat WWE want him to be-he just doesn't have that capacity.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 22, 2016 12:30:16 GMT -5
He's simply not been the right person.
First, he wasn't Ziggler, Then he wasn't Daniel And now he's not Ambrose
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 22, 2016 13:17:17 GMT -5
I'll focus on the "what went wrong this time" part of the question. A couple of months ago we saw Reigns finally deliver a decisive beat down to HHH, overcome the odds and win the title. Yay! People seemed pretty happy with that. Now the hook for WM is the prospect of seeing Reigns overcome the odds, beat HHH and win the title. We've literally just seen that! In addition to that it's at least a partial retread of elements from the past two WM stories. Or even the past few years. Hell might as well extend it to the last two decades. So far there's been nothing to freshen things up especially with HHH being AWOL most weeks, sure there's still time but now they've lost momentum it'll be even tougher. At least Ambrose or somebody else would offer something new. tl;dr - Same old shit. (Which is ridiculous as Reigns hasn't even been around for that long, it shouldn't feel that way) Also it was done better the first time. The first time, they pushed him past his breaking point and he went insane destroying everything and everyone, for a few weeks, he felt REAL. Now he's mostly back to doing the stuff people hated and being the phony guy corporate are trying to sell you, which isn't working again, and he's going to beat HHH because that's what the story says, not because he NEEDS this.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 22, 2016 13:52:53 GMT -5
But his build wasn't really all that fast. Started at survivor series 2013 picked up at the rumble 14 didn't really hit the main event scene to a whole year later
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 22, 2016 17:13:11 GMT -5
Apart from anything else, Roman isn't very interesting. I was watching the Rumble again recently and I realised that almost every single other person in the match had a more interesting gimmick than Roman.
Roman is the Samoan badass who punches people. What else do we have?
- Bulgarian super-athlete Rusev - AJ f***ing 'rules the internet and Japan' Styles - Tyler Breeze, the poser model who can work - Russell Crowe-influenced Celtic punk Sheamus - Strowman, who is at least interesting because what the f*** are his shoulders about, the man is 90% shoulder - Dean 'keeps fighting until you kill him' Ambrose - Hollywood Miz - Smug, bitter veteran Jericho - Brock f***ing Lesnar, whose gimmick is 'I am Brock f***ing Lesnar'
Seriously, basically all of them have more character to get your teeth into than Roman does.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Feb 22, 2016 17:18:12 GMT -5
I'll focus on the "what went wrong this time" part of the question. A couple of months ago we saw Reigns finally deliver a decisive beat down to HHH, overcome the odds and win the title. Yay! People seemed pretty happy with that. Now the hook for WM is the prospect of seeing Reigns overcome the odds, beat HHH and win the title. We've literally just seen that! In addition to that it's at least a partial retread of elements from the past two WM stories. Or even the past few years. Hell might as well extend it to the last two decades. So far there's been nothing to freshen things up especially with HHH being AWOL most weeks, sure there's still time but now they've lost momentum it'll be even tougher. At least Ambrose or somebody else would offer something new. tl;dr - Same old shit. (Which is ridiculous as Reigns hasn't even been around for that long, it shouldn't feel that way) Yep. Plus we know even if he loses then he'll just be given another title shot as a bizarre "punishment" anyway.
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Post by gnr123 on Feb 22, 2016 22:55:37 GMT -5
Roman Reigns biggest fault is that he doesn't have a definite character. He's STILL the enforcer of The Shield, from the look, entrance, music, everything is exactly the same. He never told anyone why he still lingers to the Shield, WWE are just keeping the stuff with him because they either can't think of a new gimmick for him, or think he can't get any other gimmick over. It's really weird.
Plus, his booking is all over the place. One week, he's a silent badass, beating up Triple H, winning the belt in Philly to loud cheers. Than, he loses the belt, and were back to where we were last year. The EXACT SAME PLACE! Only this time, we have no Heyman to build up the story, no Brock Lesnar to suplex Roman 15 times. Back to his booking though, I think fans were behind him in Philly no only because he won the belt, but because fans though that was probably going to be the decisive Roman Reigns WWE Championship win. Now, that's out of the way we can see who he faces, what they do at Mania with him as Champion. Nope. Their completely and scarily obsessed with having Roman Reigns winning the belt at WrestleMania, that they ruin the goodwill the fans had with him, take the belt off of him, and do the exact same thing this year with a boring Triple H and a even more boring Roman Reigns.
See, the problem is he's should be Batman, a silent guardian, a watchful protector for himself and for the common good. Instead he's Superman: never loses, doesn't take things seriously, jokes around, smiles, and generally gets get made to "look strong," even to the expense of everyone else.
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Post by Shanman on Feb 22, 2016 23:11:16 GMT -5
This is awesome purely because this is what happens when you book a potential superstar as someone else as opposed to themselves. Roman and Steph's promo tonight backstage, for example, should've seen him shut Stephanie down by saying that it doesn't matter who he has to face and when, he's going to absolutely destroy everyone on his path to Triple H. Instead he's written to not have any retorts to Steph and basically look worried. That is not the Roman Reigns we were introduced to in his first Shield interview. Multiply this by a hundred (including trying to look pretty and talk witty like Diesel as opposed to being a destroyer who talks less and whoops ass more) and you get this result.
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Post by Shanman on Feb 22, 2016 23:12:01 GMT -5
And it's a shame because these bookers are giving a hardworking Roman Reigns a very shit hand. It's up to him to take control of it and be better than what's written for him.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 22, 2016 23:13:17 GMT -5
He is not Superman,as i said,he is The Sentry
He is just as powerful as Superman,except he is shoved everywhere and no one wants to see him anymore
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Post by Rican on Feb 22, 2016 23:18:18 GMT -5
You can't spend 20 years conditioning the fans to boo authority figures and then expect them to take to the obvious company pick for the new poster boy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 23:21:30 GMT -5
But his build wasn't really all that fast. Started at survivor series 2013 picked up at the rumble 14 didn't really hit the main event scene to a whole year later In a certain sense, but it's hard to ignore how he went from being one of three equals in the Shield, to taking the Rumble elimination record, to them screaming about how he was the leader, to not even bothering to seek revenge when Rollins turned on them, to challenging for the WWE title a few weeks later all in about a four month span. They couldn't have been any more obvious about their intentions with him.
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Post by JTG Fan on Feb 22, 2016 23:26:36 GMT -5
Anybody notice the "one more time!" chants when during the big angle Lesnar was killing beloved babyface Ambrose, the guy commonly pointed to as the top alternate to "anybody but Reigns"?
I've said it before, but we wrestling fans are basically just the worst. We are the kids in the Itchy and Scratchy screening, we don't know what we want.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 22, 2016 23:28:49 GMT -5
Anybody notice the "one more time!" chants when during the big angle Lesnar was killing beloved babyface Ambrose, the guy commonly pointed to as the top alternate to "anybody but Reigns"? I've said it before, but we wrestling fans are basically just the worst. We are the kids in the Itchy and Scratchy screening, we don't know what we want. Lesnar is a one of a kind really,Ambrose was still being cheered,but Lesnar almost always gets the one more time. it is just REALLY fun to watch Lesnar Borking people
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 23:40:44 GMT -5
Anybody notice the "one more time!" chants when during the big angle Lesnar was killing beloved babyface Ambrose, the guy commonly pointed to as the top alternate to "anybody but Reigns"? I've said it before, but we wrestling fans are basically just the worst. We are the kids in the Itchy and Scratchy screening, we don't know what we want. Are we forgetting Brock is exempt from typical face/heel distinctions? This is the guy who ended Undertaker's streak. By all rights, he should be getting booed into oblivion. He ain't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 23:42:16 GMT -5
Anybody notice the "one more time!" chants when during the big angle Lesnar was killing beloved babyface Ambrose, the guy commonly pointed to as the top alternate to "anybody but Reigns"? I've said it before, but we wrestling fans are basically just the worst. We are the kids in the Itchy and Scratchy screening, we don't know what we want. ? Ambrose is the only guy on the roster who actually got the crowd to boo Lesnar. They always chant 1 more time for when Lesnar does things but it doesn't show that the fans actually turn on the guy. If you rewatch FastLane you'll see that Ambrose had the crowd turning on Lesnar, same thing tonight. This isn't really a good example.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 23:42:36 GMT -5
Anybody notice the "one more time!" chants when during the big angle Lesnar was killing beloved babyface Ambrose, the guy commonly pointed to as the top alternate to "anybody but Reigns"? I've said it before, but we wrestling fans are basically just the worst. We are the kids in the Itchy and Scratchy screening, we don't know what we want. Eh, you have to keep in mind with that one, a big part of the appeal of Ambrose is how he's a psycho who keeps getting up no matter how stupid it is to do so, and a big part of Brock's appeal is that he's an unstoppable, merciless wrecking ball. It's apples and oranges.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 22, 2016 23:44:28 GMT -5
Seeing Lesnar throwing around guys live is something else. I don't blame people wanting to see more of it, regardless of who the unlucky victim is.
Besides the Mania match with Reigns, I also got to see him destroy the announcers on RAW the next night. It's easily the coolest thing I got to see on both shows.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Feb 22, 2016 23:46:15 GMT -5
I'll focus on the "what went wrong this time" part of the question. A couple of months ago we saw Reigns finally deliver a decisive beat down to HHH, overcome the odds and win the title. Yay! People seemed pretty happy with that. Now the hook for WM is the prospect of seeing Reigns overcome the odds, beat HHH and win the title. We've literally just seen that! In addition to that it's at least a partial retread of elements from the past two WM stories. Or even the past few years. Hell might as well extend it to the last two decades. So far there's been nothing to freshen things up especially with HHH being AWOL most weeks, sure there's still time but now they've lost momentum it'll be even tougher. At least Ambrose or somebody else would offer something new. tl;dr - Same old shit. (Which is ridiculous as Reigns hasn't even been around for that long, it shouldn't feel that way) Also it was done better the first time. The first time, they pushed him past his breaking point and he went insane destroying everything and everyone, for a few weeks, he felt REAL. Now he's mostly back to doing the stuff people hated and being the phony guy corporate are trying to sell you, which isn't working again, and he's going to beat HHH because that's what the story says, not because he NEEDS this. What phony stuff? He hasn't been doing the dumb catchphrases like he was a while ago. Except for one line about bread or something a few months ago which wasn't that bad even.
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