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Post by auph10imitated on Feb 25, 2016 4:40:36 GMT -5
Triple H to everyone. But im sure this will have already been said by everyone.
Bret really should have gone over Yokozuna, Yoko was way too new to be put in that spot and I still do not understand it, To be fair I am guessing Bret was to go over Yoko until Hogan got involved. It should have been Bret over Savage.
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Lt. Palumbo
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Feb 25, 2016 4:57:06 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 18 - the crowd have just gone bananas for Hogan vs Rock. The Women's Title match is on next, before the Jericho vs Triple H main. Trish Stratus is over as hell. She is from Ontario. She lives in Toronto. The event is in TORONTO. So what do they do? They let Jazz retain the title. The crowd died. The final match, which features a Canadian that they are trying to portray as a heel vs an American they are trying to portray as a hero babyface, is completely flat, and despite being a decent wrestling match is given a completely atmosphere-less reception. I've always thought that - a) on its own it was a strange, Scrooge-like decision to have Jazz retain (Trish beat her for the title less than 6 weeks later anyway) and b) it had a knock-on effect in the final match. To be fair there were lots of people leaving the arena after Rock/Hogan, so I'd put the deadness down to the literal marque match already happening
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 25, 2016 5:11:00 GMT -5
Randy Orton at Night Of Champions 2010. What's that, Wade Barrett? You won the rights to a title shot by winning NXT? Time to randomly change it into a Six Pack Challenge then give the title to Orton who proceeds to spend a few months spinning his wheels, doing nothing other than devaluing the Nexus feud and beating Barrett whenever it's convenient.
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Post by darthobiwan on Feb 25, 2016 6:27:10 GMT -5
I will just say it should be 23-0!
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Feb 25, 2016 6:35:52 GMT -5
Cena should not have been the man to end Rusev's undefeated streak.
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Post by cuppacoffee - slight return on Feb 25, 2016 8:05:34 GMT -5
More for the Pile of Trips matches over here... Foley should have beaten him in the Street Fight at Rumble 2000. Their next match, their next damned match, was their Hell In A Cell match at No Way Out, which Foley was definitely going to lose in order to retire. There's nothing gained by Trips winning at the Rumble, especially in his "I'm the heel, but I'll pin him clean with no bother, having overcome a crazed Foley and interference from The Rock" style. Foley going into No Way Out as champ, with the chance of headlining Mania in his grasp, then having it snatched away by some devious, last-ditch HHH win would have been a heartbreaking conclusion to the feud. As it was, those two clean wins, back-to-back, pitch the story of the feud as "Foley wasn't good enough, twice. The end." It weakened the build for the Cell match and weakened Foley as a character, ending on a losing streak against a supposed heel who doesn't even have to cheat to win. Because the original plan for No Way Out was The Radicalz v DX but then Eddie Guerrero got injured. The Hell in a Cell was Plan B. Ah, right. Thanks! So was Foley thinking he was finished after the Rumble? Does he mention this in his book? It's bee an age since I read it.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 25, 2016 9:40:03 GMT -5
Anyone else think Trips looks vaguley photoshoppable in this?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 9:40:36 GMT -5
The answer is probably "HHH vs. ______"
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 25, 2016 10:07:18 GMT -5
Good lord Triple H pops up a lot for this.
I can't really say Barrett shouldve beat Orton in the original Nexus run. Barret was not ready for multiple high profile singles matches.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 25, 2016 12:58:35 GMT -5
Didn't Rock losing at Mania set up one of their biggest ever non-Mania buyrates at Backlash? Mania almost always ends with a face win. The issue there was the stips, not the loss.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 25, 2016 13:21:37 GMT -5
Cena/Owens should've been one and done.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 25, 2016 13:22:10 GMT -5
Because the original plan for No Way Out was The Radicalz v DX but then Eddie Guerrero got injured. The Hell in a Cell was Plan B. Ah, right. Thanks! So was Foley thinking he was finished after the Rumble? Does he mention this in his book? It's bee an age since I read it. I don't have his book at hand but from what I remember that was pretty much it. I think there might have been something about Foley bowing out at Wrestlemania but I really don't recall. I do remember Mick's original pitch for his retirement was turning heel on the The Rock then have a match with Austin at Mania. Of course that got scuppered by Austin's neck.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Feb 25, 2016 13:36:12 GMT -5
Not WWE, but I think the booking of SuperBrawl IX was the straw that broke the camel's back for a lot of WCW fans.
After the Fingerpoke of Doom, WCW actually was pretty good for a couple months with the new Super Wolfpac on top with Goldberg, DDP, and interim president Ric Flair chasing them. It all built towards SuperBrawl with matches pitting the NWO pagainst a bunch of WCW guys after 8 weeks of the Wolfpac just doing the shittiest things ever (They beat up David Flair, nearly murdered Ric Flair, Scott Steiner threw Kimberly out of a moving car (!), and they tazed the shit out of everyone). Then SuperBrawl comes and the NWO wins EVERY SINGLE MATCH. Steiner beats DDP into a coma, The Outsiders unmask Rey, and David Flair turns on his dad with a taser. Its the most depressing show ever and I think the point of no return for WCW creatively.
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Post by The Blue Nova on Feb 25, 2016 14:17:46 GMT -5
I also think Jack Swagger should of gone over Rusev in that Flag Match at Summerslam 2014. The Crowd was solidly behind and pushing for Swagger and after that whole comment Lana made. It would of been awesome and made since for Swagger to have one
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 25, 2016 15:55:14 GMT -5
If that is indeed true about Yokozuna, why would he be someone for Bret to go over? It wasn't a very natural match up, since Yoko was over 500 lbs. and Bret couldn't really do much with him out there. Why not put Hennig in that spot? Or the recently debuted Razor Ramon? Or just save the Flair title change for WM? Or keep it on Savage and have Bret dethrone him in a passing the torch match? I mean why Yokozuna of all people? 1) Hennig? Bret had beaten him clean in a high profile match at Summerslam 1991. He wasn't a credible threat as a top player. If you wanted to have a ****+ match then yes, but Vince was trying to get Bret over as THE number one guy in the company, why would beating Henning again help that? 2) "Recently debuted Razor Ramon" - you just answered your own question. The fact Vince McMahon put Ramon with Bob backlund showed you his opinion of the perennial IC title contender. 3) Flair was in WCW in February 1993. 4) Savage is the correct answer. Why Vince didn't do a pass the torch at Mania 9 between the Hulkamania generation (Savage) and the New generation I don't know. But it's well publicised that Vince, for whatever reason ("Where to Stephanie?") was done with the Macho Man as an in-ring performer, hence him being wasted on commentary during WMIX. Yokozuna was Vince booking 101 - create monster heel for babyface to beat. He had been to that well so many times before. For those that said they had no problem Yoko going over Bret but had a problem with the Hogan run-in - are you seriously advocating ending Wrestlemania with the heel winning as the babyface writhes, blinded in pain? If so are you related to Triple H? My main point was that Yokozuna/Bret aren't good natural opponents. Yeah, it's classic Vince booking 101, but Bret wasn't exactly classic Vince superhero babyface. He was more of a thinking man's wrestler. Flair was only in WCW by then because Vince simply let him go. I'm sure if you keep the belt on Flair a while longer he would have stayed a bit. Or I mentioned Hennig in the wake of the Flair thing where he drove him out of the company. All Hennig needs to say is "Hey, Bret. You beat me when I had a horribly injured back last time. Let's see you do it again." Would it be a massive draw? I don't know. I know my 13 year old self would have been far more interested in that than Bret/Yokozuna. Razor was a hot newer heel who had actually been pushed harder to that point than Yokozuna, and also had a mini feud with Bret anyway. But yeah, if it couldn't be a classic Flair/Bret heel vs. face title match I'd probably go with Savage passing the torch.
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Post by joediego on Feb 26, 2016 4:25:07 GMT -5
1) Hennig? Bret had beaten him clean in a high profile match at Summerslam 1991. He wasn't a credible threat as a top player. If you wanted to have a ****+ match then yes, but Vince was trying to get Bret over as THE number one guy in the company, why would beating Henning again help that? 2) "Recently debuted Razor Ramon" - you just answered your own question. The fact Vince McMahon put Ramon with Bob backlund showed you his opinion of the perennial IC title contender. 3) Flair was in WCW in February 1993. 4) Savage is the correct answer. Why Vince didn't do a pass the torch at Mania 9 between the Hulkamania generation (Savage) and the New generation I don't know. But it's well publicised that Vince, for whatever reason ("Where to Stephanie?") was done with the Macho Man as an in-ring performer, hence him being wasted on commentary during WMIX. Yokozuna was Vince booking 101 - create monster heel for babyface to beat. He had been to that well so many times before. For those that said they had no problem Yoko going over Bret but had a problem with the Hogan run-in - are you seriously advocating ending Wrestlemania with the heel winning as the babyface writhes, blinded in pain? If so are you related to Triple H? My main point was that Yokozuna/Bret aren't good natural opponents. Yeah, it's classic Vince booking 101, but Bret wasn't exactly classic Vince superhero babyface. He was more of a thinking man's wrestler. Flair was only in WCW by then because Vince simply let him go. I'm sure if you keep the belt on Flair a while longer he would have stayed a bit. Or I mentioned Hennig in the wake of the Flair thing where he drove him out of the company. All Hennig needs to say is "Hey, Bret. You beat me when I had a horribly injured back last time. Let's see you do it again." Would it be a massive draw? I don't know. I know my 13 year old self would have been far more interested in that than Bret/Yokozuna. Razor was a hot newer heel who had actually been pushed harder to that point than Yokozuna, and also had a mini feud with Bret anyway. But yeah, if it couldn't be a classic Flair/Bret heel vs. face title match I'd probably go with Savage passing the torch. Don't get me wrong - I personally like every one of your suggestions better than Yokozuna - my argument was based on what Vince would have seen as feasible/ideal. There's a great deal of revisionism ITT about 'Yoko', as people are prone to do when somebody dies tragically early. The truth is the Yokozuna gimmick was an utter embarrassment, he was very green, and his conditioning was the worst I've ever seen (understandably). Bret worked miracles with the guy at IX and X but he still stunk the place up. As a 10 year old he ruined lots of big PPV matches for me because even at that age he was resolutely boring. Plus he wasn't over anywhere near to the point he should have been considering his monster heel push. And that's talking about his 'prime' between late '92 and mid-'94, best not to even talk about him post-XI. I could write a thesis about how the wrong decisions made at Wrestlemania IX impacted the business. It truly was the most impactful Wrestlemania of the 1990s. Vince had a choice between New Generation and Old Generation, and he allowed Hulk Hogan and his own poor booking (Yoko) to cripple the New Generation before it got off the ground. Look at the talent he had available on the roster - Hall, Hennig, Hart, Michaels, Luger, Savage, Steiners, Taker, Flair, Owen - he could have booked a couple of years of programming with Macho on top finally out of Hogan's shadow, desperately trying to fend off these new athletic challengers. Instead, what did we get? Hogan making everyone look bad, a 500lb Samoan in a nappy, the Lex Express and The Undertaker fighting the Undertaker and getting Chuck Norris as his bodyguard.
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Post by bigalbass86 AKA Smokin Vokoun on Feb 26, 2016 8:05:33 GMT -5
Of course the most recent one, Triple H winning the Royal Rumble this year.
What really sums up the whole thing for me, is my Father. We had to take my Dad to the hospital about week after the Rumble. My Dad is hooked up to machines and is very out of it. He then says weakly, "Son, do you know who won the Royal Rumble?" And I give a disappointed yeah, (though I was more worried about my Dad being in the hospital then wrestling at this point of course.) Then he says, "Yeah, I don't know why that f***n' has-been is still wrestling."
That sums up the whole thing for me.
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Post by ERON on Feb 26, 2016 20:54:58 GMT -5
Lesner should not have ended the streak. I don't buy the whole "the streak had to end sooner or later" mentality. Taker should have retired with the streak intact.
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Post by captainhindsite on Feb 26, 2016 21:40:06 GMT -5
Cena vs rusev Cena vs bray Cena vs Owens Pretty much anytime recently that cena complety stooped someone dead in there tracks Owens is still doing ok but I think he wins that cena feud he goes on to win rumble then championship.
Rock vs Hogan Dont really have a problem with the torch passing but everytime I rewatch it I still want Hogan to win so bad.
Hhh vs booker duh
Punk vs taker I think give this honor to punk and he is still around Reigns vs Ambrose vs Brock Anyone but you roman Bunch more but this is what I can think right now
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 26, 2016 21:41:28 GMT -5
HHH vs. Booker T, the same answer I give every time this thread pops up. And I didn't feel like the wrong person won, I f***ing know the wrong person won.
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