StuntGranny®
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jun 30, 2016 0:50:40 GMT -5
When I lived in Columbus, OH a lady got REALLY mad at me for saying, "Yes, ma'am." She told me real fast it was 'sexist'.
I was born and raised in the south where it is drilled into your head from birth to ALWAYS say "Yes/no, ma'am" and "Yes/no sir". Now I'm constantly paranoid about offending a lady/fellow by saying it.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 30, 2016 1:08:33 GMT -5
When I lived in Columbus, OH a lady got REALLY mad at me for saying, "Yes, ma'am." She told me real fast it was 'sexist'. I was born and raised in the south where it is drilled into your head from birth to ALWAYS say "Yes/no, ma'am" and "Yes/no sir". Now I'm constantly paranoid about offending a lady/fellow by saying it. I'd have asked her if she preferred me saying, "yes sir" but then again I'm an asshole. 99% of the rest id never use especially at work. I hear coworkers use them and it irritates the piss out of me.
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Post by Display Name on Jun 30, 2016 1:10:26 GMT -5
When I lived in Columbus, OH a lady got REALLY mad at me for saying, "Yes, ma'am." She told me real fast it was 'sexist'. I was born and raised in the south where it is drilled into your head from birth to ALWAYS say "Yes/no, ma'am" and "Yes/no sir". Now I'm constantly paranoid about offending a lady/fellow by saying it. Just reading that annoyed the shit out of me. Sexist?
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Post by Jayson Tatum Paxley on Jun 30, 2016 1:13:32 GMT -5
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Big Poppa Pumpkin
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Jun 30, 2016 6:02:19 GMT -5
I don't think so, Mind everything is sexist nowadays. You can't even sneeze without someone screaming sexism ![](http://channelhopping.onthebox.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/partridge300.png)
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Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 30, 2016 6:52:52 GMT -5
I don't think so, Mind everything is sexist nowadays. You can't even sneeze without someone screaming sexism ![](http://channelhopping.onthebox.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/partridge300.png) To be fair, when I sneeze I do shout "BACK IN THE KITCHEN", might go to a Dr to find out why.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jun 30, 2016 7:50:57 GMT -5
Don't you know that everything you do or say is wrong in 2016? Well, according to the geniuses who teach us that crap, you can't be sexist if you're a woman ('because patriarchy!'), even if you hold other women to sexist standards. Just like how 'black people can't be racist.' Anyway, I don't think the term is malicious, but it would seem patronizing coming from a stranger.
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StuntGranny®
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jun 30, 2016 13:18:06 GMT -5
When I lived in Columbus, OH a lady got REALLY mad at me for saying, "Yes, ma'am." She told me real fast it was 'sexist'. I was born and raised in the south where it is drilled into your head from birth to ALWAYS say "Yes/no, ma'am" and "Yes/no sir". Now I'm constantly paranoid about offending a lady/fellow by saying it. Just reading that annoyed the shit out of me. Sexist? Yep. She said it was patronizing.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 30, 2016 13:39:59 GMT -5
Don't you know that everything you do or say is wrong in 2016? Well, according to the geniuses who teach us that crap, you can't be sexist if you're a woman ('because patriarchy!'), even if you hold other women to sexist standards. Just like how 'black people can't be racist.' Anyway, I don't think the term is malicious, but it would seem patronizing coming from a stranger. You can definitely be sexist as a women towards other women. And black people can be racist towards other black people and other people of color. Internalized sexism/racism is very much a subject of study in the social sciences. Now if you're saying black people can be racist towards white people, nah. Prejudiced? Sure. Bigoted? Yep. But racism is an institutional, systemic thing.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 30, 2016 13:45:07 GMT -5
Well, according to the geniuses who teach us that crap, you can't be sexist if you're a woman ('because patriarchy!'), even if you hold other women to sexist standards. Just like how 'black people can't be racist.' Anyway, I don't think the term is malicious, but it would seem patronizing coming from a stranger. You can definitely be sexist as a women towards other women. And black people can be racist towards other black people and other people of color. Internalized sexism/racism is very much a subject of study in the social sciences. Now if you're saying black people can be racist towards white people, nah. Prejudiced? Sure. Bigoted? Yep. But racism is an institutional, systemic thing. That gets into murkier territory for me, more splitting hairs. While technically yes racism is about the systemic practice, in 99% of cases people use it as a synonym for prejudiced/bigoted on both a large and small scale.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 30, 2016 13:57:29 GMT -5
Yes, but racism is specifically the institution. And it makes better semantic sense to differentiate the terms for better understanding and dialogue.
And even then, some white people probably wouldn't shut up about "reverse racism," which has never existed and probably never will barring some sort of apocalyptic event where most of humanity is wiped out and society is forced to start anew.
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Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 30, 2016 14:02:54 GMT -5
It's useful to have a term for the institution, but the word racism is used so often in other contexts, for most people it doesn't have that meaning so it's not useful for that purpose. Getting into an argument with anyone who disagrees that "black people can't be racist" while you're being accurate on the definition, is it going to be of any use to you?
It's a more serious case of the word literally, not used for it's true meaning so the meaning changes as languages adapt to how they're used, definitions are never set in stone.
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Post by Fade on Jun 30, 2016 14:05:02 GMT -5
Ive had girls get offended at "ma'am", "girl", "miss", "dude" and girls that HAVENT been offended by those specific examples, so..
Id say just avoid touchy-feely/sjw/pc/offended types, because good lord we live in such stupid times.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 30, 2016 15:35:45 GMT -5
Ive had girls get offended at "ma'am", "girl", "miss", "dude" and girls that HAVENT been offended by those specific examples, so.. Id say just avoid touchy-feely/sjw/pc/offended types, because good lord we live in such stupid times. I'll take an overly touchy-feely era over the accepted prejudices of the past.
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Post by Fade on Jun 30, 2016 15:42:20 GMT -5
Ive had girls get offended at "ma'am", "girl", "miss", "dude" and girls that HAVENT been offended by those specific examples, so.. Id say just avoid touchy-feely/sjw/pc/offended types, because good lord we live in such stupid times. I'll take an overly touchy-feely era over the accepted prejudices of the past. I'm not saying "Lets go back to fascism, eff the touchy feely era!" This PC stuff is still bad and as we're experiencing can be restrictive, authoritarian, controlling, silencing, and dangerous. Which ironically sounds like im describing fascism.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 30, 2016 15:45:31 GMT -5
I never thought I'd hate a label more than "smarks", but "sjw" is it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 30, 2016 15:49:09 GMT -5
I'll take an overly touchy-feely era over the accepted prejudices of the past. I'm not saying "Lets go back to fascism, eff the touchy feely era!" This PC stuff is still bad and as we're experiencing can be restrictive, authoritarian, controlling, silencing, and dangerous. Which ironically sounds like im describing fascism. You mean the people on social media who take it too far? They're not the ones in power. As far as the bigger picture, I'm more than happy we're seeing more people call out sexist things and standing against racism and homophobia. Watching events in the news these days, we could use more of it.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 30, 2016 15:55:13 GMT -5
How's this.
Let's all just not be dicks about things.
If you refer to people in affectionate terms without malice, do it. If someone tells you not to, you apologise and don't do it with that person, find out what they're comfortable with, while they understand you meant no harm and are now respecting their choice.
How does that sound to everyone?
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Post by Cyno on Jun 30, 2016 15:59:53 GMT -5
I'll take an overly touchy-feely era over the accepted prejudices of the past. I'm not saying "Lets go back to fascism, eff the touchy feely era!" This PC stuff is still bad and as we're experiencing can be restrictive, authoritarian, controlling, silencing, and dangerous. Which ironically sounds like im describing fascism. I don't really have much patience to suffer people who whine about other people calling them out for acting like assholes.
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Post by Jayson Tatum Paxley on Jun 30, 2016 16:01:15 GMT -5
If people don't like it when you call them something, then don't call them that. Being nice to people isn't hard.
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