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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 1, 2016 14:32:35 GMT -5
Seems like the failure to actually do away with the Authority post-Survivor Series has a lot of people unwilling to go along with the angle. Kind of hard to blame folks for that; Steph really seems to just be playing the heel (and she's usually pretty damn good at that), but after years of WWE reinforcing the idea that "there are no lasting consequences to any of our stories", it's hard to get invested. After the multitude of Steph topics, I do think her being a woman IS a contributing factor to the issue. No one talks about Vince emasculating people if he chews them out. No one threw that criticism at Tunney, or Teddy Long, or and number of authority figures who rarely if at all saw physical retaliation. Obviously, heels take a kernel of truth and stretch it into something else entirely and overstate things, but her being a woman DOES make people seethe in a way when she gets on someone's case that they don't do in the same fashion for other performers. Because we knew that if Vince opened his mouth he'd get a fist shoved right in it either by Austin or Rock or someone else if he tried to. Same with Bischoff. The Feminazis of the world like Nancy Grace would have a field day and start up another crusade if someone even so much as put a finger on the harpy. We all saw what happened when Dusty stood up to her. "Feminazis"? Nancy Grace? Good Lord man, please stop now. |
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Mar 1, 2016 15:04:48 GMT -5
I fast forwarded though it and I still felt like the promo was too long.
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Post by kevin on Mar 1, 2016 15:18:07 GMT -5
Steph never fails to entertain and last night she was at her best. She is perhaps the best heel athurioty ever.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 1, 2016 15:20:58 GMT -5
After the multitude of Steph topics, I do think her being a woman IS a contributing factor to the issue. No one talks about Vince emasculating people if he chews them out. No one threw that criticism at Tunney, or Teddy Long, or and number of authority figures who rarely if at all saw physical retaliation. Obviously, heels take a kernel of truth and stretch it into something else entirely and overstate things, but her being a woman DOES make people seethe in a way when she gets on someone's case that they don't do in the same fashion for other performers. Very different situations. Tunney largely played a neutral role. Teddy was more of a comic figure. Vince is willing to get his comeuppance. Stephanie fits into none of those catagories. She uses WWE programming for self-aggrandising. No one else benefits. Being a woman hurts other people she interacts with, since none of them are allowed to physically better her. But they aren't even allowed to better her verbally either. It's for all these reasons she should not be on TV, or if she is, she requires a major change of direction in how she presents herself. |
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Mar 1, 2016 15:30:06 GMT -5
After the multitude of Steph topics, I do think her being a woman IS a contributing factor to the issue. No one talks about Vince emasculating people if he chews them out. No one threw that criticism at Tunney, or Teddy Long, or and number of authority figures who rarely if at all saw physical retaliation. Obviously, heels take a kernel of truth and stretch it into something else entirely and overstate things, but her being a woman DOES make people seethe in a way when she gets on someone's case that they don't do in the same fashion for other performers. Very different situations. Tunney largely played a neutral role. Teddy was more of a comic figure. Vince is willing to get his comeuppance. Stephanie fits into none of those catagories. She uses WWE programming for self-aggrandising. No one else benefits. Being a woman hurts other people she interacts with, since none of them are allowed to physically better her. But they aren't even allowed to better her verbally either. It's for all these reasons she should not be on TV, or if she is, she requires a major change of direction in how she presents herself. This. She was a lot better to me when she was younger...when she showed vulnerability, when she would get "goons" to help her win the Women's title when you knew full well people like Jackie and Lita would destroy her in a fair match. No way she'd ever allow any of the NXT women to beat her now. |
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Post by Sicho100 on Mar 1, 2016 15:33:30 GMT -5
After the multitude of Steph topics, I do think her being a woman IS a contributing factor to the issue. No one talks about Vince emasculating people if he chews them out. No one threw that criticism at Tunney, or Teddy Long, or and number of authority figures who rarely if at all saw physical retaliation. Obviously, heels take a kernel of truth and stretch it into something else entirely and overstate things, but her being a woman DOES make people seethe in a way when she gets on someone's case that they don't do in the same fashion for other performers. Now, I'm not saying that sexism doesn't play a role - it's pretty much a guarantee (unfortunately) for any woman, especially a woman in power. But... I've said it before about Steph: Where is the money? She constantly is portrayed is the top dog of the company, and never gets taken down a peg. Vince would constantly be on the losing side of things - whether it be with Austin in the Attitude Era, or, say, Roman today (such as when Roman won the title on the Raw following TLC). Who has gotten one over on Stephanie in the nearly three years of the Authority angle? Honestly, who? It makes me think of Al Snow (stick with me here.) In a few interviews I've seen, Snow has mentioned that the babyface's job is to get over, and the heel's job is to get the babyface over. Not get themselves over, get the babyface over. Who has Stephanie gotten over? The best I can come up with is Vickie Guerrero, who got one over on Stephanie on her last day in the company. Cause, you know, that's money. And as far as Tunney and Teddy, (a) they were babyfaces, and (b) they weren't the main character of the show (including having a weekly 15-20 minute promo). |
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Post by Lupin the Third on Mar 1, 2016 16:20:24 GMT -5
She emasculated the entire Fandom, including us, for about 10 minutes straight.
I had to go out and smoke a cigarette afterwards. Hopefully it was good for the rest of ya.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 1, 2016 18:38:27 GMT -5
Was that designed to make us hate her more? Was the heelish promo by the heel designed to get a heel reaction? Almost definitely. |
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Post by 543Y2J on Mar 1, 2016 18:43:59 GMT -5
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Post by Dub H on Mar 1, 2016 18:55:40 GMT -5
Seems like the failure to actually do away with the Authority post-Survivor Series has a lot of people unwilling to go along with the angle. Kind of hard to blame folks for that; Steph really seems to just be playing the heel (and she's usually pretty damn good at that), but after years of WWE reinforcing the idea that "there are no lasting consequences to any of our stories", it's hard to get invested. Because we knew that if Vince opened his mouth he'd get a fist shoved right in it either by Austin or Rock or someone else if he tried to. Same with Bischoff. The Feminazis of the world like Nancy Grace would have a field day and start up another crusade if someone even so much as put a finger on the harpy. We all saw what happened when Dusty stood up to her. "Feminazis"? Nancy Grace? Good Lord man, please stop now. Yeh,i agree that there is nothing to do with sexism,that would just be an scapegoat. But c'mon , that is like the worst way you can argue about it. |
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Mar 1, 2016 19:52:49 GMT -5
I agree with you, 100%, but at the same time, we've reached the point where there has to be some kind of endgame for the Authority. This storyline is approaching 3 years old now, and outside of maybe like 2 instances, Steph has been untouchable Even The NWO looked weak and had losses and setbacks, and so did The Horsemen the group that HHH idolizes so much. I honestly don't think they even have a plan for an endgame, they're just going to keep on doing it even though everyone's sick of it. If there was any plans before, it would've been with Sting victorious at WM. The Authority were compelling when they were foils to the underdog Daniel Bryan. They've lasted long past their expiry date after WM 30. |
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Post by -Lithium- on Mar 1, 2016 20:44:28 GMT -5
The promo would have been better if she was wearing boyshorts, longer boots, and a small leather zipper top Fixed* |
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Mar 1, 2016 20:49:35 GMT -5
After the multitude of Steph topics, I do think her being a woman IS a contributing factor to the issue. No one talks about Vince emasculating people if he chews them out. No one threw that criticism at Tunney, or Teddy Long, or and number of authority figures who rarely if at all saw physical retaliation. Obviously, heels take a kernel of truth and stretch it into something else entirely and overstate things, but her being a woman DOES make people seethe in a way when she gets on someone's case that they don't do in the same fashion for other performers. Tunney was a neutral figure who never showed up nearly every week and only appeared when important shit was about to go down. Teddy was a beloved face figure whose endearing legacy is his love for tag team matches and making people go one-on-one with the Undertaker. Vince regularly got embarrassed even when he was chewing people out. That's the basic appeal of his character. |
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Post by devondragon on Mar 1, 2016 20:52:24 GMT -5
Vince booked himself to have his face shoved in Rikishi's ass. I don't see Stephanie McMahon doing that.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 1, 2016 21:10:50 GMT -5
Didn't Ryback tell her to shut up, Da Big Guy is talking?
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 1, 2016 21:41:42 GMT -5
Seeing the clip now, it's a solid heel promo; she at least comes off like she believes what she's saying, and that's key for any heel promo or character. Again, she's VERY good in that role when she gives herself the right material.
But yeah, I can see the problem being that nobody ever expects her to pay a price for what she says/does, not even referring to physical retribution by a babyface; any time something bad does happen, it's undone within a week or two, because WWE is allergic to booking anything with lasting consequences or anything that could shake the status quo. I can see her gender coming into it insofar as a male character isn't going to physically attack her, and I can also imagine that a lot of viewers view her as a different kind of "heel annoying" than a male character because of it, which isn't entirely cool, but the root does seem to be "there'll never be any payback for the heel stuff she does, so can we please stop it, now?"
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Mar 1, 2016 22:47:17 GMT -5
At first I thought the title of this thread was "That Steph porno", and got really scared to click on it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 23:07:03 GMT -5
Same old channel-changing crap.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Mar 1, 2016 23:07:33 GMT -5
After the multitude of Steph topics, I do think her being a woman IS a contributing factor to the issue. No one talks about Vince emasculating people if he chews them out. No one threw that criticism at Tunney, or Teddy Long, or and number of authority figures who rarely if at all saw physical retaliation. Obviously, heels take a kernel of truth and stretch it into something else entirely and overstate things, but her being a woman DOES make people seethe in a way when she gets on someone's case that they don't do in the same fashion for other performers. Very different situations. Tunney largely played a neutral role. Teddy was more of a comic figure. Vince is willing to get his comeuppance. Stephanie fits into none of those catagories. She uses WWE programming for self-aggrandising. No one else benefits. Being a woman hurts other people she interacts with, since none of them are allowed to physically better her. But they aren't even allowed to better her verbally either. It's for all these reasons she should not be on TV, or if she is, she requires a major change of direction in how she presents herself. I agree completely. It doesn't matter what's she ever saying. I have no time for her, because NO ONE EVER GETS HER BACK. She slaps the hell out of guys and they can do nothing but stand there, and when she's done that, they get jumped. A big factor in me ever watching regularly again, is her just being gone from tv. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 2, 2016 1:40:41 GMT -5
The sad thing is, the Steph of old (99-02) was always being humiliated, took every finisher there was, was insulted weekly and always got her comeuppance. And she was as good as Vince at it. It's sad that she's changed completely. Perhaps a rampant ego is sexually transmitted.
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After the multitude of Steph topics, I do think her being a woman IS a contributing factor to the issue. No one talks about Vince emasculating people if he chews them out. No one threw that criticism at Tunney, or Teddy Long, or and number of authority figures who rarely if at all saw physical retaliation. Obviously, heels take a kernel of truth and stretch it into something else entirely and overstate things, but her being a woman DOES make people seethe in a way when she gets on someone's case that they don't do in the same fashion for other performers. Because we knew that if Vince opened his mouth he'd get a fist shoved right in it either by Austin or Rock or someone else if he tried to. Same with Bischoff.
