BlackoutCreature
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Mar 2, 2016 21:33:54 GMT -5
I'd go with WCW. Towards its end WCW recognized its problems and was genuinely taking positive steps to try to fix things, they just didn't have the time and resources to pull it off. ECW refused to accept it had problems and was becoming more and more outdated as the 90's fell further and further into the past. I know Heyman has claimed if ECW had continued he would've moved away from the hardcore stuff and given the company a more MMA feel, but absolutely nothing about the dying days of ECW supports that claim.
WCW would've given us a better product and been more valuable to the pro wrestling scene in the long run then ECW would've.
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Post by ICBM on Mar 2, 2016 22:16:57 GMT -5
I'm gonna be Debbie Downer again. As an ample to bolster my earlier statement about the long term viability of ECW let me provide a fact that some may not be aware of. By late 2000 Paul Heyman owed so much money to the company that lit most of the shows ECW ran in the north east, the crew had a policy that one more bounced check and they would no show the next booked event. It gets forgotten so easily but the lighting for even a house show is vital to the look, atmosphere and feel of an event. Remember your last indie show and imagine it with a good lighting rig instead of the house lights in the local armory. The audience enjoyment is enhanced and it is also then possible for a better video presentation of you tape it. Now remember how slick and good looking wwe raw or WCW nitro were. Lighting made that possible. Paul literally could no longer afford to keep the lights on.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 2, 2016 22:30:44 GMT -5
Definitely WCW. As fun as ECW was in its day, WCW was the true alternative to WWE-something fans are sorely in need of today. Had WCW lived to absorb some of the talent that would have been freed up by ECW's demise, they probably would have been able to revitalize their programming.
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Post by SmashTV on Mar 3, 2016 6:44:36 GMT -5
ECW was for its time, and was very good at what it did. However, it could only go so far with what it offered before getting stale. If promoted properly, WCW could have reinvented itself and still be around today.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 3, 2016 7:40:37 GMT -5
Actually, somewhat related, that how much current TNA reminds one of early 2001, pre-buyout WCW. In that, by all accounts, it's mostly washed off the lunacy of years gone by and re-focused into a logically produced product, but the masses have so long since been burned that the future can be described "dicey" in optimistic terms. Related in terms of the fact it's very much a struggle WCW would've been facing had they kept afloat and Kellner not dropped the guillotine. Granted, WCW, at its worst, had 10 times TNA's current audience, and generally twice TNA's days of 1.1 (WCW did sink to a 1.7 at one stage), so it's a limited analogy, but felt it worth throwing out there.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 3, 2016 11:13:11 GMT -5
Actually, somewhat related, that how much current TNA reminds one of early 2001, pre-buyout WCW. In that, by all accounts, it's mostly washed off the lunacy of years gone by and re-focused into a logically produced product, but the masses have so long since been burned that the future can be described "dicey" in optimistic terms. Related in terms of the fact it's very much a struggle WCW would've been facing had they kept afloat and Kellner not dropped the guillotine. Granted, WCW, at its worst, had 10 times TNA's current audience, and generally twice TNA's days of 1.1 (WCW did sink to a 1.7 at one stage), so it's a limited analogy, but felt it worth throwing out there. The 1.7 Nitro happened when they screwed with the format, it was on late because of the NBA finals and split into two one hour specials so doesn't really count.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 22:30:57 GMT -5
Heyman was very burnt out in 2000 already, don't think ECW would have taken the right direction with him on top. Sapolsky however, he would have transformed it to ROH Light in 2001/2002 I guess nevertheless, money could be made with WCW taking a different direction (get rid of old guys, push the young exciting talent) What's frustrating about WCW is that they were starting to go in that direction in the last couple of months of their existence. It's like you finally got it way past the point of it mattering! This, Greed was not a bad show. It was turning around. And Daniels was on the roster, I think he broke his leg in a match with Candido.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Mar 4, 2016 15:40:14 GMT -5
For entertainment, ECW.
For the sake of talent actually getting paid for their hard work, WCW.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Mar 5, 2016 5:12:05 GMT -5
ECW if it were run properly. I would have liked to see what ECW would have evolved into. Was a nice alternative to WWF/WCW and I'd prefer to have an alternative that is stylistically different.
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Post by Captain2 on Mar 5, 2016 16:46:38 GMT -5
WCW by a distance so large it would take mankind decades and billions of dollar to traverse. Well he was in kind of tough shape by the end of his career. It's not his fault he takes so long to move around.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 20:03:14 GMT -5
I'm going to cheat: WCW stays around, but is booked by Heyman.
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