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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 13:11:15 GMT -5
WWE's intent is the entire problem. Regardless of the intent it's still a good cause to support, I just can't believe people find fault with this. It's not like the lady will take up time from mostly filler-RAW's these days anyway. Tell me the downside of giving this woman an award that holds no merit anyway. Plus any kind of charity or PR always has a motive behind it anyway, but if it's a good cause, so what? Some of the people in here are proving my point, that you guys are too bloody cynical It's not cynicism at this point, since you're admitting there's ulterior motive and it's for press. It's if one is okay with that or not. Some are, some aren't.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 29, 2016 13:12:01 GMT -5
Regardless of the intent it's still a good cause to support, I just can't believe people find fault with this. It's not like the lady will take up time from mostly filler-RAW's these days anyway. Tell me the downside of giving this woman an award that holds no merit anyway. Plus any kind of charity or PR always has a motive behind it anyway, but if it's a good cause, so what? Some of the people in here are proving my point, that you guys are too bloody cynical It's not cynicism at this point, since you're admitting there's ulterior motive and it's for press. It's if one is okay with that or not. Some are, some aren't. as I said earlier. The Hall of Fame as a whole is a method to get press for Wrestlemania.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 29, 2016 13:12:57 GMT -5
Only on this board would people have a problem with a cancer survivor getting airtime and an award that honestly doesn't hold any merit. Also that comment about people watching RAW as worse off than people battling cancer was disgusting. We're booing WWE's general stance of "We pretend to care about people by supporting this awful charity, please call 1-800-BUY-OUR-CRAP now". It's just another layer of disingenuous bullshit on top of Stand Up for WWE, and BA STAR
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2016 13:14:45 GMT -5
Regardless of the intent it's still a good cause to support, I just can't believe people find fault with this. It's not like the lady will take up time from mostly filler-RAW's these days anyway. Tell me the downside of giving this woman an award that holds no merit anyway. Plus any kind of charity or PR always has a motive behind it anyway, but if it's a good cause, so what? Some of the people in here are proving my point, that you guys are too bloody cynical It's not cynicism at this point, since you're admitting there's ulterior motive and it's for press. It's if one is okay with that or not. Some are, some aren't. The problem I have is people picking this as a hill to die on to s*** on WWE for. Tell me that any kind of charity PR move doesn't have an ulterior motive, the only one I can think of is Bill Gates quietly donating a lot of his fortune. Regardless of the intent from WWE it's a really good cause to rally behind and everyone arguing against it, are unintentionally making themselves look bad, I lost a lot of respect for some people in this topic from their responses (not from you, I see your point)
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Post by SkullTrauma on Mar 29, 2016 13:15:20 GMT -5
Goes completely against Warrior's whole point of honoring people in the industry who work behind the curtain. Nothing new I guess Connor the crusher didn't work behind the curtain either, no one was complaining last year. the hell we weren't
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2016 13:17:33 GMT -5
Only on this board would people have a problem with a cancer survivor getting airtime and an award that honestly doesn't hold any merit. Also that comment about people watching RAW as worse off than people battling cancer was disgusting. We're booing WWE's general stance of "We pretend to care about people by supporting this awful charity, please call 1-800-BUY-OUR-CRAP now". It's just another layer of disingenuous bullshit on top of Stand Up for WWE, and BA STAR All those except for Stand Up for WWE are great causes to be behind, I don't give a shit about their intent at least these are being pushed onto the mainstream now. I still cannot see how it's a con for WWE not to push anti-bullying and cancer awareness. I have a problem with them ignoring prostate cancer and more male associated cancers but that's another argument. Regardless of the intent, I applaud WWE for at least taking a stand towards something positive.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 29, 2016 13:17:53 GMT -5
Connor the crusher didn't work behind the curtain either, no one was complaining last year. the hell we weren't With Connor, the complaint was mostly "it isn't fair to other sick kids, Make a Wish as a whole should have the award".
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2016 13:19:09 GMT -5
Connor the crusher didn't work behind the curtain either, no one was complaining last year. the hell we weren't There were a select few complaining, actually some of the same people in this topic were complaining last year, due to the same reasons. If Warrior's widow is cool with it and Connor's family, I really can't see a con behind WWE giving away a meaningless award to someone famous who battled a disease or a sick WWE fan, if anything the WWE should give away multiple Warrior awards per year and it shouldn't be relegated to a WM thing
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Mar 29, 2016 13:23:06 GMT -5
Why would Warrior's wife complain? Rather he husband be associated with people who fought Cancer and inspired others then...
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Post by SkullTrauma on Mar 29, 2016 13:26:04 GMT -5
With Connor, the complaint was mostly "it isn't fair to other sick kids, Make a Wish as a whole should have the award". lol no
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 29, 2016 13:27:50 GMT -5
We're booing WWE's general stance of "We pretend to care about people by supporting this awful charity, please call 1-800-BUY-OUR-CRAP now". It's just another layer of disingenuous bullshit on top of Stand Up for WWE, and BA STAR All those except for Stand Up for WWE are great causes to be behind, I don't give a shit about their intent at least these are being pushed onto the mainstream now. I still cannot see how it's a con for WWE not to push anti-bullying and cancer awareness. I have a problem with them ignoring prostate cancer and more male associated cancers but that's another argument. Regardless of the intent, I applaud WWE for at least taking a stand towards something positive. Do I NEED to keep going?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 13:31:04 GMT -5
I'm gonna say this every year until they get it right, but Warrior requested the award to be for the behind-the-scenes people, like the technicians that work in Gorilla Position, the seamstresses, and the camera crew. Something WWE apparently doesn't want to ever acknowledge.
I get that they want to instead devote it to human interest stories, and I'm not trying to sound like an ogre because I get the point, but it goes against his wishes. That's my main issue with the award.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2016 13:31:28 GMT -5
All those except for Stand Up for WWE are great causes to be behind, I don't give a shit about their intent at least these are being pushed onto the mainstream now. I still cannot see how it's a con for WWE not to push anti-bullying and cancer awareness. I have a problem with them ignoring prostate cancer and more male associated cancers but that's another argument. Regardless of the intent, I applaud WWE for at least taking a stand towards something positive. Do I NEED to keep going? I don't give a shit keep going. It's not gonna change my mind or my views. I obviously can separate Vince's crazy psyochotic ass from the rest of the company
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 13:31:40 GMT -5
It's not cynicism at this point, since you're admitting there's ulterior motive and it's for press. It's if one is okay with that or not. Some are, some aren't. The problem I have is people picking this as a hill to die on to s*** on WWE for. Tell me that any kind of charity PR move doesn't have an ulterior motive, the only one I can think of is Bill Gates quietly donating a lot of his fortune. Regardless of the intent from WWE it's a really good cause to rally behind and everyone arguing against it, are unintentionally making themselves look bad, I lost a lot of respect for some people in this topic from their responses (not from you, I see your point) I don't see how people are choosing a hill to die on. Are they going to get fired from FAN? It's just opinions and different ways of seeing it. I agree that being mad about the airtime aspect is absurd, but I also don't think that's what most are bothered by. You're right that most charity has an ulterior motive, good PR or a tax-write off etc. Quid pro quo and all that. Where I differ is that I don't see a reason to applaud WWE for it. I think it's also that I watch their shows and see how they twist other things and overall how they operate, both related and un-related to the wrestling product, so I can see their gears at work here. This gets a lot deeper too. Because in the end, the huge corporations who do this stuff are benefiting the cause. And if they don't do it, who will? They're the ones with all the money, the means to help. But they promote these things as if they're being altruistic, using slogans like "NBA Cares" etc. I'm not saying they don't care at all, but WWE is a billion dollar company, why would they feel the need to make money on the t-shirts they put out for breast cancer awareness month? It's because people and businesses that are that monumentally successful do so by being scumbags in a lot of ways. Or, less cynically, they do so because they always get the upper-hand of a deal. The world is a f***ed up place if you think a lot about it. This is why I'm prone to depression, lol. We need more Bill Gateses, but we've got a world full of Vinces.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2016 13:32:28 GMT -5
Why would Warrior's wife complain? Rather he husband be associated with people who fought Cancer and inspired others then... or or or It's pretty much why I can't complain if they decide to change the name of the award, because Warrior wasn't exactly a paragon of virtue and said some really despotic things
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2016 13:35:05 GMT -5
The problem I have is people picking this as a hill to die on to s*** on WWE for. Tell me that any kind of charity PR move doesn't have an ulterior motive, the only one I can think of is Bill Gates quietly donating a lot of his fortune. Regardless of the intent from WWE it's a really good cause to rally behind and everyone arguing against it, are unintentionally making themselves look bad, I lost a lot of respect for some people in this topic from their responses (not from you, I see your point) I don't see how people are choosing a hill to die on. Are they going to get fired from FAN? It's just opinions and different ways of seeing it. I agree that being mad about the airtime aspect is absurd, but I also don't think that's what most are bothered by. You're right that most charity has an ulterior motive, good PR or a tax-write off etc. Quid pro quo and all that. Where I differ is that I don't see a reason to applaud WWE for it. I think it's also that I watch their shows and see how they twist other things and overall how they operate, both related and un-related to the wrestling product, so I can see their gears at work here. This gets a lot deeper too. Because in the end, the huge corporations who do this stuff are benefiting the cause. And if they don't do it, who will? They're the ones with all the money, the means to help. But they promote these things as if they're being altruistic, using slogans like "NBA Cares" etc. I'm not saying they don't care at all, but WWE is a billion dollar company, why would they feel the need to make money on the t-shirts they put out for breast cancer awareness month? It's because people and businesses that are that monumentally successful do so by being scumbags in a lot of ways. Or, less cynically, they do so because they always get the upper-hand of a deal. The world is a f***ed up place if you think a lot about it. This is why I'm prone to depression, lol. We need more Bill Gateses, but we've got a world full of Vinces. This I can agree with, you're one of the more level headed and rational of people that are against this and I respect your views and opinions, the problem I have are the people complaining about it taking up airtime and it related to the WWE product. I also disagree with it being Warrior's original wish, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be opposed to it being awarded to the people it's going to, if he was alive today (although I doubt this award exists if he's alive)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 13:37:06 GMT -5
I don't see how people are choosing a hill to die on. Are they going to get fired from FAN? It's just opinions and different ways of seeing it. I agree that being mad about the airtime aspect is absurd, but I also don't think that's what most are bothered by. You're right that most charity has an ulterior motive, good PR or a tax-write off etc. Quid pro quo and all that. Where I differ is that I don't see a reason to applaud WWE for it. I think it's also that I watch their shows and see how they twist other things and overall how they operate, both related and un-related to the wrestling product, so I can see their gears at work here. This gets a lot deeper too. Because in the end, the huge corporations who do this stuff are benefiting the cause. And if they don't do it, who will? They're the ones with all the money, the means to help. But they promote these things as if they're being altruistic, using slogans like "NBA Cares" etc. I'm not saying they don't care at all, but WWE is a billion dollar company, why would they feel the need to make money on the t-shirts they put out for breast cancer awareness month? It's because people and businesses that are that monumentally successful do so by being scumbags in a lot of ways. Or, less cynically, they do so because they always get the upper-hand of a deal. The world is a f***ed up place if you think a lot about it. This is why I'm prone to depression, lol. We need more Bill Gateses, but we've got a world full of Vinces. This I can agree with, you're one of the more level headed and rational of people that are against this and I respect your views and opinions, the problem I have are the people complaining about it taking up airtime and it related to the WWE product. I also disagree with it being Warrior's original wish, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be opposed to it being awarded to the people it's going to, if he was alive today (although I doubt this award exists if he's alive) I appreciate that. As for the Warrior Award, I don't think Warrior would be like "NO, f*** cancer survivors, give that award to Trainer Jeff' or anything. I just don't like being lied to like that. Going outside of all the other stuff, that's just contempt for the audience.
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Post by Error on Mar 29, 2016 13:38:14 GMT -5
The woman survived the WCW Power Plant and cancer, this is the least she deserves.
On a serious note, you don't have to agree with the Warrior Award or how it is being used, I understand that thought and there is a lot to it I agree with but if you want to be one of those stains that "What" or "Boo"s her, sell your ticket then take the profit and head to Six Flags or the Dallas World Aquarium. Go have fun and do something that that doesn't reinforce the belief that wrestling fans are Neanderthals and jackasses. If you have to be at the Hall, pull out the phone and play a game on silent (you and the phone). This isn't WWE weekly tv, there are no heels in this situation except the ones in the crowd who cannot figure that out.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 29, 2016 13:38:44 GMT -5
I don't give a shit keep going. It's not gonna change my mind or my views. I obviously can separate Vince's crazy psyochotic ass from the rest of the company Until he retires or kicks it, Vince's crazy ass IS the company, along with feminist icon Steph and backstage politics asshole Trips. The only one with great PR here is Shane, and he's not actually part of the company management anymore.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2016 13:39:22 GMT -5
This I can agree with, you're one of the more level headed and rational of people that are against this and I respect your views and opinions, the problem I have are the people complaining about it taking up airtime and it related to the WWE product. I also disagree with it being Warrior's original wish, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be opposed to it being awarded to the people it's going to, if he was alive today (although I doubt this award exists if he's alive) I appreciate that. As for the Warrior Award, I don't think Warrior would be like "NO, f*** cancer survivors, give that award to Trainer Jeff' or anything. I just don't like being lied to like that. Going outside of all the other stuff, that's just contempt for the audience. Well Warrior is pretty batshit crazy himself, so I really don't know what he'd want haha. But I'm pretty sure the majority of the audience doesn't give a shit about that, plus I'm pretty sure the Warrior award will be renamed soon, because I'm pretty sure one day Warrior's crazy comments from the past will be brought onto the mainstream and he'll pushed away as an afterthought
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