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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Apr 9, 2016 8:56:06 GMT -5
What stories are there out there?
The only ones I can think of that show him in a somewhat negative light are the Nexus SummerSlam tag and the bad stuff Michael Tarver had to say about him.
I'm sure there are more though. Vince has never liked his main guys to be yes men and plenty of reports indicate that Vince likes people who show spine. It may have just been newz, but I recall that's a big reason Vince didn't like John Morrison, because he was a pushover.
Curious about what stories are out there and what will come out.
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Post by darkjourney on Apr 9, 2016 9:28:01 GMT -5
Wasn't Nikki supposed to lose the belt and top main event spot FARR sooner than she did but Cena talked Vince into giving her a longer run with it?
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Post by hossfan on Apr 9, 2016 9:41:56 GMT -5
Supposedly Cena was one of the wrestlers who went to management complaining about working with Mr. Kennedy. I believe Tyler Reks said Cena confronted him about his "Burning Hammer" finisher and how it was too much like the AA. And, while I've never seen any rumors about it, based on my own observations I don't think Cena liked working with the Miz at all. He made some weird comments around the time of their Wrestlemania feud that could be construed as veiled digs at Miz's ability.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Apr 9, 2016 9:44:56 GMT -5
He had Kenny Dykstra transferred to smackdown so he could bang Kenny's then gf Mickie James with more freedom.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 9, 2016 9:45:18 GMT -5
Supposedly Cena was one of the wrestlers who went to management complaining about working with Mr. Kennedy. I believe Tyler Reks said Cena confronted him about his "Burning Hammer" finisher and how it was too much like the AA. And, while I've never seen any rumors about it, based on my own observations I don't think Cena liked working with the Miz at all. He made some weird comments around the time of their Wrestlemania feud that could be construed as veiled digs at Miz's ability. I'm not sure if he ever had any issue with Miz, but he supposedly felt Alex Riley was too green when they worked together some and played a part in him getting shipped to NXT. No idea if that's been confirmed, but I've seen speculation on that.
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Post by FinalGwen on Apr 9, 2016 10:17:34 GMT -5
Supposedly Cena was one of the wrestlers who went to management complaining about working with Mr. Kennedy. I believe Tyler Reks said Cena confronted him about his "Burning Hammer" finisher and how it was too much like the AA. And, while I've never seen any rumors about it, based on my own observations I don't think Cena liked working with the Miz at all. He made some weird comments around the time of their Wrestlemania feud that could be construed as veiled digs at Miz's ability. There was a time in late 2011 when he wasn't feuding with Miz and felt the need to say how he was "tired of making average look awesome". Which is amusing, given how he never went out of his way to make Miz look like anything other than an afterthought.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Apr 9, 2016 11:25:27 GMT -5
To defend Cena a little, apparently it was Vince's call that he win the Summerslam match. It was stupid and bassackwards, but that was a Vince move.
Cena should have never taken the DDT on concrete, though.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Apr 9, 2016 11:33:11 GMT -5
To defend Cena a little, apparently it was Vince's call that he win the Summerslam match. It was stupid and bassackwards, but that was a Vince move. Cena should have never taken the DDT on concrete, though. In Cena's defense again, babies grew up and went off to college in the time it took Cena to take that DDT, get in to position for the 450, Gabriel to gaze at him, and Cena to move.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 12:11:20 GMT -5
To defend Cena a little, apparently it was Vince's call that he win the Summerslam match. It was stupid and bassackwards, but that was a Vince move. Cena should have never taken the DDT on concrete, though. According to a Jericho podcast with Edge it was Cena's idea and they tried to talk him out of it.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Apr 9, 2016 12:32:50 GMT -5
To defend Cena a little, apparently it was Vince's call that he win the Summerslam match. It was stupid and bassackwards, but that was a Vince move. Cena should have never taken the DDT on concrete, though. In Cena's defense again, babies grew up and went off to college in the time it took Cena to take that DDT, get in to position for the 450, Gabriel to gaze at him, and Cena to move. this has nothing to do with the three sets of time traveling twins of aj & punk. I think we'll hear more about cena being a politician of a wcw hulk Hogan scale once he retires from wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 13:37:12 GMT -5
I remember hearing stories Cena was spending way more time with Vince in 2004 and 2005 than the other young upper midcarders which got him pushed over more than Orton or Batista and others. And HHH resented Cena until 2008 because he was getting too close with Vince and HHH wanted his first choice Orton or Batista to be the guy.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 9, 2016 13:40:21 GMT -5
I remember hearing stories Cena was spending way more time with Vince in 2004 and 2005 than the other young upper midcarders which got him pushed over more than Orton or Batista and others. And HHH resented Cena until 2008 because he was getting too close with Vince and HHH wanted his first choice Orton or Batista to be the guy. I don't believe that Cena is some evil politician, but I can believe that HHH resented Cena. Like I honestly believe that all of Cena's bad booking is some kind of "reverse burial" as punishment for not being Orton or Batista, like somehwere down the line, someone in management decided "YOU WANT CENA, FINE. WE'LL GIVE YOU ALL THE CENA YOU WANT UNTIL YOU'RE SICK OF HIM."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 13:53:10 GMT -5
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Post by Sicho100 on Apr 9, 2016 13:53:25 GMT -5
On an episode of MLW's Writer's Room podcast a few months back, Brian Mann (who had been a writer for the company for only a few months in 2011) said something that I'd never heard before - apparently, PPV main events are (well, were, at least) decided well in advance by Vince, HHH, and...John Cena.
Assuming that is true, that could very well be the reason we don't hear about his political maneuvering (if there is a significant amount of politicking) - he would be able to keep it contained to those meetings with Vince and HHH, without anyone else knowing.
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Post by willyjakes on Apr 9, 2016 14:26:26 GMT -5
On an episode of MLW's Writer's Room podcast a few months back, Brian Mann (who had been a writer for the company for only a few months in 2011) said something that I'd never heard before - apparently, PPV main events are (well, were, at least) decided well in advance by Vince, HHH, and...John Cena. Assuming that is true, that could very well be the reason we don't hear about his political maneuvering (if there is a significant amount of politicking) - he would be able to keep it contained to those meetings with Vince and HHH, without anyone else knowing. Very savvy of him I suppose I have a positive opinion of Cena due to his charitable work, and that he's generally been a tireless performer and incredible merchandising cash cow for the company. I don't view him as an upper echelon legend (Hogan, Flair, Austin level) but he's certainly in a legendary tier. I don't hold it against him if he's had to engage in some clandestine politicking (and good for him keeping it as quiet as possible) but ultimately wrestling IS a dog eat dog business. Cena, like Hogan and countless others, have to protect their spot, their body, and their earnings for as long as possible. In wrestling it can all end tomorrow as I'm sure Cena knows so you have to get what you can when you have the chance. Somebody is unsafe to work with? Say something...because if you don't you may end up with a severe injury.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 9, 2016 14:33:25 GMT -5
In Cena's defense again, babies grew up and went off to college in the time it took Cena to take that DDT, get in to position for the 450, Gabriel to gaze at him, and Cena to move. this has nothing to do with the three sets of time traveling twins of aj & punk. I think we'll hear more about cena being a politician of a wcw hulk Hogan scale once he retires from wrestling. That makes me wonder who on the current roster knows "where the bodies are buried", so to speak, in regards to politics. I've already written off the lifers like Kane and Big Show being at all juicy, but a guy like Zack Ryder could probably ruin lives if he ever got released in an ugly manner.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 9, 2016 15:07:19 GMT -5
this has nothing to do with the three sets of time traveling twins of aj & punk. I think we'll hear more about cena being a politician of a wcw hulk Hogan scale once he retires from wrestling. That makes me wonder who on the current roster knows "where the bodies are buried", so to speak, in regards to politics. I've already written off the lifers like Kane and Big Show being at all juicy, but a guy like Zack Ryder could probably ruin lives if he ever got released in an ugly manner. Dolph probably has some juicy shit from being in his position for so long, and with enough fizzled out pushes to maybe have enough bitterness if he leaves just "right" to have a shoot DVD out a few months after he's done. Especially given the fact that he'll be wanting to promote his whatever, and what better way to do that than with three hours of dirt on WWE?
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Post by lesleymoon on Apr 9, 2016 16:24:53 GMT -5
this has nothing to do with the three sets of time traveling twins of aj & punk. I think we'll hear more about cena being a politician of a wcw hulk Hogan scale once he retires from wrestling. That makes me wonder who on the current roster knows "where the bodies are buried", so to speak, in regards to politics. I've already written off the lifers like Kane and Big Show being at all juicy, but a guy like Zack Ryder could probably ruin lives if he ever got released in an ugly manner. I could see Kofi with that sort of information. He is a long time veteran, he rode with Punk for a long time (and I could see him spilling 'secrets'/complaining ad naseum) Would he ever do anything with that info? Well, thats another question. And I could be totally off base. I think Jericho probably has quite a bit of dirt, but is too much of a company man to ever do anything with it, same as Kane or Big Show. Everyone I think of that might have that info, I see as too much of a company man to ever spill the beans.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Apr 9, 2016 16:46:40 GMT -5
That makes me wonder who on the current roster knows "where the bodies are buried", so to speak, in regards to politics. I've already written off the lifers like Kane and Big Show being at all juicy, but a guy like Zack Ryder could probably ruin lives if he ever got released in an ugly manner. I could see Kofi with that sort of information. He is a long time veteran, he rode with Punk for a long time (and I could see him spilling 'secrets'/complaining ad naseum) Would he ever do anything with that info? Well, thats another question. And I could be totally off base. I think Jericho probably has quite a bit of dirt, but is too much of a company man to ever do anything with it, same as Kane or Big Show. Everyone I think of that might have that info, I see as too much of a company man to ever spill the beans. Kofi seems too laid back to do something like that unless WWE pisses him off majorly somehow i.e. firing him on the day his child was born.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 16:56:13 GMT -5
I remember hearing stories Cena was spending way more time with Vince in 2004 and 2005 than the other young upper midcarders which got him pushed over more than Orton or Batista and others. And HHH resented Cena until 2008 because he was getting too close with Vince and HHH wanted his first choice Orton or Batista to be the guy. I don't believe that Cena is some evil politician, but I can believe that HHH resented Cena. Like I honestly believe that all of Cena's bad booking is some kind of "reverse burial" as punishment for not being Orton or Batista, like somehwere down the line, someone in management decided "YOU WANT CENA, FINE. WE'LL GIVE YOU ALL THE CENA YOU WANT UNTIL YOU'RE SICK OF HIM." Every top guy has politiced to get there and stay on the top. There's nothing evil in politicking in general, unless you take it to 90's HBK levels of extreme. But yeah that isn't the case. Like let's punish a guy by making him earn 10 million a year while the next highest paid full time wrestler makes 2 million a year. Like a real punishment would push him like DB in not going all the way with his push or give him the most extreme yo yo push ever like they did with Ryback in 2013.
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