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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 30, 2016 21:20:50 GMT -5
30 years after challenging Ric Flair for the Heavyweight title, Ricky Frickin' Morton becomes Junior Heavyweight Champion. That's Bizarro world booking. What amazes me more is that Mike Quackenbush has the 2nd longest cumulative reign with that belt, for reasons that I've never quite understood.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Apr 30, 2016 22:57:15 GMT -5
I just try to pretend it became the WCW title and then morphed into the WWE World Title. All the stuff after the NWA title became the WCW title doesn't count.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 30, 2016 23:49:51 GMT -5
Because the NWA refuses to allow itself as a brand to be big. They are so settled to be nothing but little regional companies that really don't link together outside having the NWA name on it. NWA TNA was the big thing it had because it was bigger than anything they had because it had PPV and TV. Then it ended, Pearce and Colt did awesome bring it back post TNA and again that break up killed it again because the title holders was not legit talent that fans see as "Wow, this guy makes that title something." Outside of Conway lately it been mostly guys you see it him and you go "Who?" While now its starting to get back to being worth something again and the talent got better. It's slowly gaining traction again. They need to find whatever freelance Indy name that isn't tied to a contract or WWE/TNA alumni that has nothing better to do and offer them the belt.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 0:54:47 GMT -5
30 years after challenging Ric Flair for the Heavyweight title, Ricky Frickin' Morton becomes Junior Heavyweight Champion. That's Bizarro world booking. What amazes me more is that Mike Quackenbush has the 2nd longest cumulative reign with that belt, for reasons that I've never quite understood. That I'd never understand. Quackenbush beat Tiger Mask 4 for title, does nothing with it for 4 year then drop it to some indy guy that took it to Zero 1. MsChif did the same thing with the Women Championship and they had two tag team do it with the Tag Team title as well.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on May 1, 2016 1:05:00 GMT -5
That's just the World title. You could go on about them not doing jack shit with Tag, Jr or Women championship. Yes....though the same can also be applied to the world title. When Kojima and Tenzan won the title, they took it back with them to Japan where they proceeded to do squat with it in terms of defending it. While I give them credit for being great wrestlers....the fact that they never defended the title really brought down its prestige. At least Jax Dane and Rob Conway defend(ed) the title on a regular basis. Same with KES....when they won the tag titles, they were merely props for them until they quietly lost them to Sigmon and Russell. If Bruce Tharpe wants to strengthen the prestige of the titles, make sure they are defended and not used as props in another country. As much as I like the NWA, I also know what their major faults are and what they can do to strengthen the competition for all the titles
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 1:11:17 GMT -5
That's just the World title. You could go on about them not doing jack shit with Tag, Jr or Women championship. Yes....though the same can also be applied to the world title. When Kojima and Tenzan won the title, they took it back with them to Japan where they proceeded to do squat with it in terms of defending it. While I give them credit for being great wrestlers....the fact that they never defended the title really brought down its prestige. At least Jax Dane and Rob Conway defend(ed) the title on a regular basis. Same with KES....when they won the tag titles, they were merely props for them until they quietly lost them to Sigmon and Russell. If Bruce Tharpe wants to strengthen the prestige of the titles, make sure they are defended and not used as props in another country. As much as I like the NWA, I also know what their major faults are and what they can do to strengthen the competition for all the titles The problem I had is people acting like Bruce Tharpe is worse then the previous owners when in reality they both had their share of the same problem. I'm just waiting for WWE to say f*** it and buy the right to the NWA. They already own 90% of the NWA video Library and the original Dome Globe belt and Triple H is a huge NWA mark and I'd can see him using the NWA Title in NXT.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 1, 2016 1:48:03 GMT -5
Yes....though the same can also be applied to the world title. When Kojima and Tenzan won the title, they took it back with them to Japan where they proceeded to do squat with it in terms of defending it. While I give them credit for being great wrestlers....the fact that they never defended the title really brought down its prestige. At least Jax Dane and Rob Conway defend(ed) the title on a regular basis. Same with KES....when they won the tag titles, they were merely props for them until they quietly lost them to Sigmon and Russell. If Bruce Tharpe wants to strengthen the prestige of the titles, make sure they are defended and not used as props in another country. As much as I like the NWA, I also know what their major faults are and what they can do to strengthen the competition for all the titles The problem I had is people acting like Bruce Tharpe is worse then the previous owners when in reality they both had their share of the same problem. I'm just waiting for WWE to say f*** it and buy the right to the NWA. They already own 90% of the NWA video Library and the original Dome Globe belt and Triple H is a huge NWA mark and I'd can see him using the NWA Title in NXT. Honestly If WWE were to go that route I would rather HHH give the NWA belt to someone on the WWE/NXT roster, and let them be the "traveling champion" (someone who can put on a decent match without stinking out the joint, but isn't integral to the product and thus won't be "missed") under his supervision and only defending against opponents he approves of first. Like basically say "This is yours. Now go out and be free" and that person goes around the indies defending the belt. The wrestler in question gets a title on their resume and the chance to go out and ply their craft, while also acting as a talent scout and giving reports on his opponents back to HHH.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on May 1, 2016 1:53:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing the NWA just collect all the best wrestlers from every region and just have a single NWA wrestling program to put on TV somewhere. Of course that would mean that a channel would actually have to be interested in them. It's just nice to have more wrestling available to watch.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on May 1, 2016 4:16:59 GMT -5
When the highlights of your last 25 years are Adam Pearce and Rob Conway, I think you've answered your own question.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 6:54:08 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing the NWA just collect all the best wrestlers from every region and just have a single NWA wrestling program to put on TV somewhere. Of course that would mean that a channel would actually have to be interested in them. It's just nice to have more wrestling available to watch. That was the original idea behind "NWA TNA," but doing PPVs. That concept didn't last long, and it quickly just became its own TNA entity, and less about the NWA as a whole. Which is what would also happen, before too long, with whomever would be producing a proposed NWA tv show. It just wouldn't work. Everyone's out for themselves.
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Post by froggyfrog on May 1, 2016 8:30:38 GMT -5
Dear Lord....you had to remind us of The Colorado Kid?? LOL Didn't he actually try to pawn the NWA title once? Found on his wiki page "Mike Rapada and his wrestling company was a huge success." Why would someone who was a huge success have to go and do such a thing?
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Post by SAJ Forth on May 1, 2016 9:19:37 GMT -5
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 1, 2016 9:59:33 GMT -5
it's like Shane Douglas said when he won it/threw it away. it already had been irrelevant for years and nobody outside the marks running its governing body thought it was important anymore.
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Post by Duke Cameron on May 1, 2016 15:47:16 GMT -5
I liked Blue Demon Jr. as champion.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 16:38:38 GMT -5
it's like Shane Douglas said when he won it/threw it away. it already had been irrelevant for years and nobody outside the marks running its governing body thought it was important anymore. Except the fans in the building, who were initially confused/conflicted, because they just invested (with their ticket money, as well as time/interest) in watching a one night tournament to crown a new champion. Eventually they cheered after he was done with his speech. Until that point, they cared about the title again, though. Otherwise they wouldn't have bought tickets to see the champion crowned.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 1, 2016 18:43:48 GMT -5
Until that point, they cared about the title again, though. Otherwise they wouldn't have bought tickets to see the champion crowned. Not...not really. Not really, at all. The same company holding shows in that same building that same year routinely sold it out, including just two weeks prior to the tournament. And a month prior to that. And a couple of months after the tourney. And the near-entire building was chanting "Flair is dead!" after Douglas' speech. That crowd was an ECW crowd. They would have been there regardless of the NWA title.
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Post by Sephiroth on May 1, 2016 19:02:24 GMT -5
The NWA's model is just plain long outdated. It still operates in s territory style fashion long after they ceased to be a factor. The lack of major tv and PPV exposure also renders it meaningless. More people see the TNA title on a weekly basis than the NWA title.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 19:13:46 GMT -5
Because the NWA, or at least the relevant parts of it, folded into WCW, which folded into WWE.
The "NWA" is just some Jabroni who owns the name, at this point.
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Post by Sephiroth on May 2, 2016 7:29:57 GMT -5
Until that point, they cared about the title again, though. Otherwise they wouldn't have bought tickets to see the champion crowned. Not...not really. Not really, at all. The same company holding shows in that same building that same year routinely sold it out, including just two weeks prior to the tournament. And a month prior to that. And a couple of months after the tourney. And the near-entire building was chanting "Flair is dead!" after Douglas' speech. That crowd was an ECW crowd. They would have been there regardless of the NWA title. Heyman has outright said that it was a stunt aimed purely at gaining some PR for ECW. The only reason the NWA offered to put the title on Shane Douglas was because ECW had the most TV coverage of any NWA affiliate at the time, and Heyman had already made up his mind that he was going to break from the NWA and take ECW national. So he decided to use the title tournament as a publicity stunt to raise a few eyebrows and get some attention.
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Post by Ted Sheckler on May 2, 2016 16:20:04 GMT -5
Well, look who the champions since Tharpe arrived have been.
- Kahagas (A Florida Indy guys who's best known for a handful of FIP appearances ten years ago)
- Rob Conway (Admittedly has done a lot for the NWA but didn't work Japanese style very well and at his absolute best was a WWE midcarder which was eleven years ago
- Satoshi Kojima (A guy under NJPW contract who means nothing to most American fans which is where all of the NWA territories are located)
- Hiroyoshi Tenzan (Same as above really)
- Jax Dane (A guy best known for being Rob Conway's lackey in NJPW)
So the most relevant guy to an American audience to hold the belt in the past three and a half years is former WWE midcarder Rob Conway. Why should I or anyone else see the NWA Title as important?
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