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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on May 2, 2016 20:11:32 GMT -5
So wait, this wasn't a work? No, and it was pretty apparent from the start it was legit. I don't know where people are getting this idea that Enzo's injury was a work. Enzo's a good seller but he's not THAT good. The fact that he wasn't even moving his arms or anything to show that he was still conscious was a warning sign also. Cutting away to the commentators as they loaded him onto the stretcher was a telltale sign as well, not to mention New Day immediately dropping the comedy act and Kofi cutting off his Facebook stream when he realised Enzo was legit hurt. I know it understandably comforts people if they're thinking it was a work but all the evidence is there to show it was legit. And frankly after Perro Aguayo Jr.'s death last year via something similar it'd be pretty crass on WWE's part to do an injury angle with that kind of bump.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 2, 2016 21:09:11 GMT -5
No, and it was pretty apparent from the start it was legit. I don't know where people are getting this idea that Enzo's injury was a work. Enzo's a good seller but he's not THAT good. The fact that he wasn't even moving his arms or anything to show that he was still conscious was a warning sign also. Cutting away to the commentators as they loaded him onto the stretcher was a telltale sign as well, not to mention New Day immediately dropping the comedy act and Kofi cutting off his Facebook stream when he realised Enzo was legit hurt. I know it understandably comforts people if they're thinking it was a work but all the evidence is there to show it was legit. And frankly after Perro Aguayo Jr.'s death last year via something similar it'd be pretty crass on WWE's part to do an injury angle with that kind of bump. I don't even know how you'd rig that bump to be safe enough to use it for a work. It was just nasty all around.
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Post by lemonyellowson on May 3, 2016 17:55:22 GMT -5
So wait, this wasn't a work? No, and it was pretty apparent from the start it was legit. I didn't watch it live and wasn't following it on social media or anything, so to me it looked like a really well executed work. On closer inspection I see now that he hit his head a rattle on the mat after hitting the ropes. Missed it first time round hence my confusion once I got on here and saw people treating it as legit. Therefore my question wasn't trying to be smart or suggest anything otherwise, it was a legit question.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on May 3, 2016 21:43:15 GMT -5
One thing I will say, that landing was everything but S A W F T
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 3, 2016 21:46:11 GMT -5
No, and it was pretty apparent from the start it was legit. I didn't watch it live and wasn't following it on social media or anything, so to me it looked like a really well executed work. On closer inspection I see now that he hit his head a rattle on the mat after hitting the ropes. Missed it first time round hence my confusion once I got on here and saw people treating it as legit. Therefore my question wasn't trying to be smart or suggest anything otherwise, it was a legit question. I wasn't suggest you were doing anything, I had assumed you hadn't even seen it yet when I responded.
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Post by percymania on May 3, 2016 21:49:29 GMT -5
Steve Austin was pretty critical of Simon Gotch on his podcast today. I didn't see that coming.
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Post by JCBaggee on May 3, 2016 21:51:00 GMT -5
Steve Austin was pretty critical of Simon Gotch on his podcast today. I didn't see that coming. Cliffs Note version of what he says? Love Austin, but for some reason I can't get into his podcast.
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Post by percymania on May 3, 2016 21:54:54 GMT -5
Steve Austin was pretty critical of Simon Gotch on his podcast today. I didn't see that coming. Cliffs Note version of what he says? Love Austin, but for some reason I can't get into his podcast. Austin said Gotch threw Enzo into the ropes too hard at short distance. Austin said something like: You just want to guide him out when you're that close. Austin speculated Gotch may have been a bit too excited for his first PPV match. He was also critical of Gotch grabbing Enzo by the head when he went outside the ring. He said Gotch should have known something wasn't right, and in that situation you don't grab a guy by the head.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on May 3, 2016 22:27:00 GMT -5
Definitely agree with Austin about Gotch grabbing Enzo after the accident. That was a seriously bad move.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 3, 2016 22:34:32 GMT -5
Yeah, there was definitely some constructive criticism by Austin in regards to Gotch. It definitely wasn't a burial of the guy, though.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 3, 2016 22:42:24 GMT -5
Cliffs Note version of what he says? Love Austin, but for some reason I can't get into his podcast. Austin said Gotch threw Enzo into the ropes too hard at short distance. Austin said something like: You just want to guide him out when you're that close. Austin speculated Gotch may have been a bit too excited for his first PPV match. He was also critical of Gotch grabbing Enzo by the head when he went outside the ring. He said Gotch should have known something wasn't right, and in that situation you don't grab a guy by the head. Not like Austin is wrong. Gotch is inexperienced and it showed in a situation like this. Nothing you can really do but learn from the situation, though.
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Post by Ash Kingston on May 4, 2016 0:19:48 GMT -5
Yeah, uh... I'd especially take Austin's word on handling potential neck injuries, all things considered.
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Post by sonofblaine on May 4, 2016 3:00:00 GMT -5
Hope Enzo gets a full and good recovery. Until he comes back, hopefully Cass will get a push and not flounder while waiting. Worst case, Cass goes solo for a while with Enzo as his mouthpiece.
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Post by feartear on May 4, 2016 8:17:40 GMT -5
At 6:15 AM May 2 WWE tweeted that Enzo has been released from the hospital. It was also reported from another source that he was in the backstage last night during Raw.
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Post by JCBaggee on May 4, 2016 8:45:29 GMT -5
Austin said Gotch threw Enzo into the ropes too hard at short distance. Austin said something like: You just want to guide him out when you're that close. Austin speculated Gotch may have been a bit too excited for his first PPV match. He was also critical of Gotch grabbing Enzo by the head when he went outside the ring. He said Gotch should have known something wasn't right, and in that situation you don't grab a guy by the head. Not like Austin is wrong. Gotch is inexperienced and it showed in a situation like this. Nothing you can really do but learn from the situation, though. I can't blame him. Good lord, do people scream BE A GOOD HEEL NO MATTER WHAT at the top of their lungs. Gotch and Enzo have worked together for years, he probably figured that whatever happened, Enzo could take it and he'd be fine. It did happen super fast, and you'll notice once Gotch realized something was wrong he backed off and started working the crowd. Not saying he didn't do anything wrong, but I definitely think he'll learn from it.
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Post by PKO on May 4, 2016 8:47:42 GMT -5
I hadn't seen video of the accident until today, and Gotch should certainly get some flack for trying to pick Enzo up (by the head). The referee is attending to him, why would you not wait until you'd been given the go ahead?
But I don't see anything wrong with how he threw Enzo from the ring. That's the standard way that guys do it, but Enzo goes way too low for some reason. It's a really weird mistake to make.
Accidents happen, and hopefully they can both learn from this, and thankfully Enzo is okay. He has such talent it would have been terrible for something to have happened to him so early in his career.
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Post by percymania on May 4, 2016 18:41:56 GMT -5
I've never been a wrestler. I would definitely defer to Steve Austin's knowledge when it comes to in-ring action. Most fans (like me) saw that as a freak accident, but I can appreciate Steve Austin pointing out exactly what went wrong. These wrestlers are all trained performers and when somebody gets hurt it's usually because something went wrong. What's funny is that I recently heard Vince Russo on his podcast saying Simon doesn't deserve any blame, and anybody blaming Simon doesn't know what they're talking about.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 4, 2016 18:50:03 GMT -5
I've never been a wrestler. I would definitely defer to Steve Austin's knowledge when it comes to in-ring action. Most fans (like me) saw that as a freak accident, but I can appreciate Steve Austin pointing out exactly what went wrong. These wrestlers are all trained performers and when somebody gets hurt it's usually because something went wrong. What's funny is that I recently heard Vince Russo on his podcast saying Simon doesn't deserve any blame, and anybody blaming Simon doesn't know what they're talking about. So by the theory of Vince Russo is either lying or an idiot its clearly Gotch's fault. Honestly Russo isn't a worker so how would he know?
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on May 4, 2016 19:26:36 GMT -5
I hadn't seen video of the accident until today, and Gotch should certainly get some flack for trying to pick Enzo up (by the head). The referee is attending to him, why would you not wait until you'd been given the go ahead? But I don't see anything wrong with how he threw Enzo from the ring. That's the standard way that guys do it, but Enzo goes way too low for some reason. It's a really weird mistake to make. Accidents happen, and hopefully they can both learn from this, and thankfully Enzo is okay. He has such talent it would have been terrible for something to have happened to him so early in his career. I don't think he was trying to throw him through the ropes in the standard way. He was trying to slide him UNDER the bottom rope.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 4, 2016 19:37:53 GMT -5
I'm sure Gotch realises his mistake now, did he even see the bump in real time? When he threw Enzo he kinda turned his head so maybe all he saw was him outside the ring?
He's not the first and probably won't be the last. Remember Beth Phoenix yanking Candice about by the hair/head after her horrendous bump? That angered me and I was a big Beth fan.
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