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Post by the2ndevil on May 21, 2016 23:13:00 GMT -5
Vince McMahon is behind Roman Reigns push and not Triple H. With Reigns seen some people say he wasn't over in the Shield
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 21, 2016 23:13:09 GMT -5
That Chris Hero was fired for being out of shape. We literally have video proof that Chris was in probably the best shape of his career shortly before he was let go. His major issues at the time and the ones that realistically likely lead to his release was a complete lack of character past "Im Chris Hero" and a creative team that seemed limited in what they wanted to do with him. We would see similar happen with Sami Callihan as Solomon Crowe a few years later. Hero was before his time. If he had signed two years later than he did he would've been pushed heavily based on "I'm Chris Hero"
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Post by Mr T L Wolf on May 21, 2016 23:15:06 GMT -5
I already can see the same people making the same protests, but seriously. Sami Zayn was El Generico on the indies. Kevin Steen wasn't fighting with some guy named Sami on the independent circuit for years before the 'E, it was El Generico.
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Post by Woo on May 21, 2016 23:17:55 GMT -5
People look good in clean loses, Related Anyone coming out better after a Cena feud. People DO look good in clean loses, if the one beating them is a great wrestler. Kurt Angle was the greatest at this. Chris Benoit looked great losing to Kurt Angle at the 03 Rumble. This is most likely what lead to him winning the match the year after. Edge looked great losing to Kurt at Backlash 2002. HBK looked annoyingly too strong losing to Angle at Wrestlemaia XXI. John Cena looked amazing losing to Kurt Angle in his debut match on Smackdown. Rey Mysterio looked great losing to Angle at Summerslam 2002. Shane McMahon looked amazing losing to Angle at King of the Ring 2001 There are countless of other examples too. Jeff Hardy had a major breakout match losing to the Undertaker in that ladder match on Raw. Edge & Christian were made after losing to the Hardy Boys in the tag team ladder match at No Mercy. The Hardys and the Dudleys lost all three of their Wrestlemania-Summerslam-Wrestlemania ladder/TLC trilogy and it made their careers. Mankind lost clean to the Undertaker at KOTR 1998. Oh and Steve Austin sure looked great losing to Bret Hart at Wrestlemania 13. The problem is that people like HHH and Cena don't know how to make their opponents look good. I am still angry at how when Miz was fist drafted to Raw and he lost to Cena at Backlash, John pretended to kick dirt on his defeated opponent. Such a dick move.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 21, 2016 23:20:01 GMT -5
People look good in clean loses, Related Anyone coming out better after a Cena feud. People DO look good in clean loses, if the one beating them is a great wrestler. they actually follow up with a push and don't expect just hanging with a wrestler is good enough to get them over
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 23:20:50 GMT -5
Vince McMahon is behind Roman Reigns push and not Triple H. With Reigns seen some people say he wasn't over in the Shield Or anyone could do what Roman Reigns did in The Shield
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Post by andrew8798 on May 21, 2016 23:21:48 GMT -5
With Reigns seen some people say he wasn't over in the Shield Or anyone could do what Roman Reigns did in The Shield You could say that with a lot of guys in history
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Post by Woo on May 21, 2016 23:24:52 GMT -5
People DO look good in clean loses, if the one beating them is a great wrestler. they actually follow up with a push and don't expect just hanging with a wrestler is good enough to get them over Well that too yeah. But for that one night anyway, they still look good in defeat. Whether they look good month after is another matter altogether.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 23:28:41 GMT -5
Or anyone could do what Roman Reigns did in The Shield You could say that with a lot of guys in history Well yeah but I mean on the current roster. Like you can say guys like Goldberg or Sid Viscous or Brock Lesnar guys with lots of explosive high impact movesets and intensity. The Shield worked because they all complimented each other's ring styles and worked as a unit rather as a All Star Team.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 23:29:40 GMT -5
With Reigns seen some people say he wasn't over in the Shield
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Post by andrew8798 on May 21, 2016 23:31:04 GMT -5
You could say that with a lot of guys in history Well yeah but I mean on the current roster. Like you can say guys like Goldberg or Sid Viscous or Brock Lesnar guys with lots of explosive high impact movesets and intensity. The Shield worked because they all complimented each other's ring styles and worked as a unit rather as a All Star Team. True Can't take nothing away from those three
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Post by MolotovMocktail on May 22, 2016 0:14:01 GMT -5
-That Lex Luger was supposed to win the title at Wrestlemania X, but drunkenly gave away the results to a reporter the night before. Luger and Bret have both confirmed that Bret was always scheduled to win.
-That Terry Taylor was the first choice as Mr. Perfect. Taylor was speaking in hypotheticals, and people ran with it as what really happened.
-Andre the Giant was supposed to be Taker's opponent at Wrestlemania 7. He already had to back out of the Rumble a few months earlier, and was in no condition for a match at that time.
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Post by Reflecto on May 22, 2016 0:22:34 GMT -5
yeah, especially that first one. On the same note. "Alberto Del Rio has never gotten a reaction". he got one after his feud with the Rey, he got one the first time he won the Royal Rumble before doing the Santino is still in spot that just confused everyone and pretty much up until Wrestlemania. What killed him is after winning the rumble he had the same "destiny" promo for like over a year... losing to Edge at Mania and then Christian the next month to be shunted down the card also contributed to killing his heat (while again blabbering about his destiny) he also started getting some heat when he first won the title and became the deluded hero of the people for the like week he had that gimmick before going back to Destiny! He was also getting a good reaction when he turned face. There was some money in him being a face. Don't know why they keep him as a face. Was never a fan of that Double turn he did with Dolph That ties to a similar myth: "Alberto Del Rio was a terrible face in WWE." He was good as a face when he was just doing it (his match against Big Show from Smackdown was very good in the role, and he played underdog better than Roman Reigns in similar spots for his Big Show match...one that was considered a **** and Big Show's best match, by the way). It's not Del Rio's fault that his big face storyline vs. Swagger and Colter was absolutely terrible and the worst build to a World Title match at Wrestlemania ever, complicated with Dolph Ziggler catching fire as MITB and someone people wanted to see cash in and win the title.
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Post by Mike Strike on May 22, 2016 0:34:39 GMT -5
It's fake.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on May 22, 2016 0:42:58 GMT -5
There was some money in him being a face. Don't know why they keep him as a face. Was never a fan of that Double turn he did with Dolph That ties to a similar myth: "Alberto Del Rio was a terrible face in WWE." He was good as a face when he was just doing it (his match against Big Show from Smackdown was very good in the role, and he played underdog better than Roman Reigns in similar spots for his Big Show match...one that was considered a **** and Big Show's best match, by the way). It's not Del Rio's fault that his big face storyline vs. Swagger and Colter was absolutely terrible and the worst build to a World Title match at Wrestlemania ever, complicated with Dolph Ziggler catching fire as MITB and someone people wanted to see cash in and win the title. Del Rio is a decent face, but he's a terrible heel.
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Post by Raskovnik on May 22, 2016 0:58:51 GMT -5
The dumbest myth I've ever seen that was completely made up yet spread throughout the IWC like wildfire while being parroted by wannabe know-it-alls is that Samoa Joe was laughed at and heckled by the crowd and commentary when he wrestled Misawa in NOAH. This story has been around since 2007, and I think it spawned from goddamned GameFAQS. Absolutely moronic on several different levels. What irritates me the most, though, is it could be easily remedied if people bothered to watch the f***ing match. It's on YouTube in its entirety. It's not an amazing match or anything, and is really only notable because of the bogus story accompanying it, but dude, it's there. It is SO EASY disprove.
Now, Joe didn't set the world on fire in NOAH, and the crowd didn't really know what to make of him, but over time him paying tribute to some signature puro moves and Takayama occasionally chuckling like he has done pretty much every single time he is on commentary because he's a goofy guy (seriously, just check his Twitter) has become this weird, stupid myth of "Samoa Joe basically came across as a puro Eugene and was laughed at by fans and personnel alike " that will not die because puro tends to attract the worst kind of try-hard, elitist, obnoxious smark who usually simply pretends to watch it and thinks they'll be cool if they act as if they're privy to the forbidden knowledge of the glorious Far East. In turn the people who for some reason won't bother to watch the damn match take the "juicy" story at face value and repeat it as fact to every other person who's heard the same tale but is too lazy to actually seek out the match and see it for themselves. That one has always gotten under my skin because it goes to show how easily people will believe any old bullshit and gladly repeat it, and it's not just limited to wrestling fans. People suck.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 22, 2016 1:14:38 GMT -5
Just the general concept of "buried" somehow becoming shorthand for "I don't like that my favourite lost this match" to some people. It dilutes the actual meaning of the term and it becomes a boy that cried wolf situation where, when one actually happens, nobody believes it.
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Post by 魔界5号 on May 22, 2016 1:18:35 GMT -5
Jushin Liger isn't hideous under his mask.
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Post by Sparvid on May 22, 2016 1:22:43 GMT -5
That whole "Hogan and Bruno only wrestled once a month hence why they were champion for a long time" crap people like to bring up. Shouldn't that be more like "Most people only saw Hogan and Bruno wrestle once a month, since they didn't wrestle twice every week on TV"?
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Post by mauled on May 22, 2016 1:29:55 GMT -5
Bret Hart being the most over guy for the company in Europe in 1992. Granted, only Bret himself believes this myth, but felt it should be out there. Actually to be fair to Bret he's correct on that. He was well over outside the US. It's why the WWF always had him headlining those Tours even when he wasn't Champion.
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