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Post by Aboutreika18 on Jun 5, 2016 8:44:44 GMT -5
I have more of an issue with Austin beating Kane clean a day after he won the title and beating Big Show clean pretty early in his WWE career.
Both were booked and seen as unstoppable monsters yet Austin beat them without much trouble, if I'm remembering correctly.
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Post by Jim Stansel on Jun 5, 2016 8:49:13 GMT -5
I was reaching zenith of my smarkdom then. And my friends and I loathed Austin. Between redneck persona and politics was just so over him. Also if note, at no way out 03 my friend yelled he was only beating Bischoff because he thought it was Debra. Fans were not amused.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 5, 2016 8:57:09 GMT -5
It was Ventura who didn't want HHH to win, not Austin. I was gonna say this, I thought once Jesse Ventura got involved he said he didn't want to raise the hand of a heel.
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Post by spagett on Jun 5, 2016 9:05:08 GMT -5
I say this as a big fan of Austin anyway but he definitely gets away with a lot of stuff from wrestling fans that other guys get criticised for.
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Post by Stu on Jun 5, 2016 9:13:24 GMT -5
A Bunch of reasons:
1: Austin was popular and a major draw
2: Jesse Ventura reffing and being better off raising the hand of a face
3: The internet being relatively new with less discussion than now
4: The IWC also being young with fewer smarks to voice their opinion
5: Less knowledge about what was happening backstage
6: A better product that wasn't leaving fans jaded
7: Bandwagon fans who weren't as particular as hardcore fans
Essentially, the situation is incomparable to today's overall atmosphere.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jun 5, 2016 9:23:23 GMT -5
In 1999 I was 12 and I knew it was fake, but I knew next to nothing about backstage issues and such. People were really wanting angry at The Rock for not putting people over in 1999? That's insane. First he always put people over. The only PPV matches he won in 1999 were against Billy Gunn and British Bulldog. Second - by Summerslam 1999, the dude had been a main eventer for not even a year. He's still building up too and needed wins. Its a testament to him that he stayed over in 1999, as he jobbed so much that he made Dean Ambrose's current booking look like 1985 Hulk Hogan. I have more of an issue with Austin beating Kane clean a day after he won the title and beating Big Show clean pretty early in his WWE career. Both were booked and seen as unstoppable monsters yet Austin beat them without much trouble, if I'm remembering correctly. I always hear the Big Show one on here. It wasn't clean. He hit him in the head 3 three times with homerun chair swings (that didn't even drop him to a knee) and then gave him the stunner. The Kane match I have slightly more issue with. They probably should've had Kane take a few more Stunners or some chair shots or something (and maybe that was the plan and they were running out of TV time who knows). But still it's 1998 Austin. Few guys in history were as over or entertaining as he was in that time period. He could've beaten the Cloverfield monster with one Stunner in the middle of the ring and it wouldn't have been a bad move.
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Post by Jim Stansel on Jun 5, 2016 10:51:24 GMT -5
A Bunch of reasons: 1: Austin was popular and a major draw 2: Jesse Ventura reffing and being better off raising the hand of a face 3: The internet being relatively new with less discussion than now 4: The IWC also being young with fewer smarks to voice their opinion 5: Less knowledge about what was happening backstage 6: A better product that wasn't leaving fans jaded 7: Bandwagon fans who weren't as particular as hardcore fans Essentially, the situation is incomparable to today's overall atmosphere. I recall iwc being fairly prevalent. But austin always got a pass for some reason. I know my circle of friends was already fed up by mid 98. Hhh was almost an smark favorite for a minute with us. We were sick of Austin and Rock's act was tired by 99. Im only speaking for myself and friends. And we were 20 yr old uber smarks at this time. The forums i frequented were not especially austin negative. Even the original wc forum seemed to give him a pass.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jun 5, 2016 11:08:15 GMT -5
I say this as a big fan of Austin anyway but he definitely gets away with a lot of stuff from wrestling fans that other guys get criticised for. Austin and HBK both get way, way, way, WAY too many free passes on their bullshit.
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Post by benstudd on Jun 5, 2016 11:17:52 GMT -5
Cause that's literally the first time I've heard about this.
First time I've heard Austin not willing to job was when he faced Scott Hall and the nWo. But he was literally on his last legs in the WWE at the time. He had his match, went home and was never seen as a regular wrestler ever again. I supposed I could blame him for this but the angle was pretty crap.
Steve is more grumpy than political.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 5, 2016 11:18:11 GMT -5
I have more of an issue with Austin beating Kane clean a day after he won the title and beating Big Show clean pretty early in his WWE career. Both were booked and seen as unstoppable monsters yet Austin beat them without much trouble, if I'm remembering correctly. Even as a big Austin fan I was pissed they only gave Kane a 1 day run. Can't believe it took until 2010 for him to get another, and by then I didn't care.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 5, 2016 11:18:28 GMT -5
People liked him more.
It's an uncomplicated answer, but it's the answer.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 5, 2016 11:23:35 GMT -5
People liked him more. It's an uncomplicated answer, but it's the answer. This times x100. The same reason that Hulk Hogan was vilified(before his racist rant exposed him) for playing politics, but Shawn Michaels was largely ignored by wrestling fans or swept under the rug.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 11:53:19 GMT -5
I have more of an issue with Austin beating Kane clean a day after he won the title and beating Big Show clean pretty early in his WWE career. Both were booked and seen as unstoppable monsters yet Austin beat them without much trouble, if I'm remembering correctly. They booked themselves in a corner by having the stip that if Kane lost he'd set himself on fire but the 24 hour title change was all about getting a big rating and they did.Austin should have been champion at the time and Kane wouldn't have been the draw he was so I was okay with that.Kane never would have gotten the belt then if they didn't do what they did and it was all about building Austin/Taker for Summerslam with Taker being the reason Austin Lost. I thought the big show loss was beyond stupid but at the time I wouldn't have booked the match cause Austin shouldn't have lost so close to mania.But that started a trend that continues to this very day of having a top guy beat a fat or tall man before a ppv to build them up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 12:02:30 GMT -5
I say this as a big fan of Austin anyway but he definitely gets away with a lot of stuff from wrestling fans that other guys get criticised for. Austin and HBK both get way, way, way, WAY too many free passes on their bullshit. They were all time greats I'm more willing to give people that are awesome a pass then guys that aren't that great and aren't over but use their backstage power to hold back guys that are more over than they are like HHH from 2002-2010 or Jeff Jarrett entire TNA run until he pissed off Dixie.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 5, 2016 12:17:14 GMT -5
I was going to complain about Austin in 1999 but my dial up connection was too slow
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 5, 2016 12:27:45 GMT -5
I say this as a big fan of Austin anyway but he definitely gets away with a lot of stuff from wrestling fans that other guys get criticised for. Austin and HBK both get way, way, way, WAY too many free passes on their bullshit. Oh, I dunno about HBK. It's universally agreed (including Michaela himself) that he was a total uncooperative, politicking dick
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 5, 2016 12:30:40 GMT -5
HHH politics count
For - 546
Against - 1
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jun 5, 2016 13:00:49 GMT -5
Sorry. This attempt at deflection in no way lessens HHH as utter garbage in this regard.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jun 5, 2016 13:07:06 GMT -5
Two reasons: I don't think people knew at the time and I think Austin was doing more than enough good in wrestling to justify a bit of politicking. The opposite of why HHH got/gets flak for it. Same goes for Hogan. After everything Austin and Hogan have done for wrestling, I won't hold a bit of politicking against them, unlike HHH who's been actively detrimental in the business I love so much. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.
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Post by mauled on Jun 5, 2016 14:22:55 GMT -5
Austin and HBK both get way, way, way, WAY too many free passes on their bullshit. Oh, I dunno about HBK. It's universally agreed (including Michaela himself) that he was a total uncooperative, politicking dick Regards HBK Even back then it was know. Look at the crowd reaction when he loses his smile. They weren't stupid, even though Vince looked like he was going to cry.
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